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Callaway Chrome Soft CS CSX Chrome Soft X

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#61 Golf4lifer

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:14 PM

View Postgroach, on 12 January 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

That's just my point, Oldboy.  If the ball performs, price shouldn't be that big of a deal.  Especially .40 a ball.  If I found a ball that actually did what I hoped it would do and performed as well as I think it is, then I'm going to keep using that ball as long as I can at almost any price point.  I would never understand the logic of changing a ball that was clearly performing over a few dollars.

Now, the people just playing it who 'liked it' but could go either way, sure, those people I totally get.  If they are willing to pay $45, they are probably willing to pay $48 and just play PV1's now instead, I totally get that.  Their perceived value is now gone.  I won't dispute that.  But I would still say that they can buy older versions for a discount for a while and to stock up while they still can.

I stocked up on CSX when it was $31.99, but I also bought some TP5ís at $39.99. For me when I like a ball the price doesnít matter, Iím going to pay for the ball I like. I will say it was nice to pay less than $45.00 while it lasted.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:45 PM

I have played the red and white truvis chrome soft exclusively for the last year. Love the ball! I wonder why other manufacturers donít use the soccer ball style pattern. Callaway canít have a patent on it can they??

The distance for me is just as good if not better than the Prov and putting with them has been a game changer.

That being said the price point on these balls is an absolute racket!  

I played the Kirkland ball and it performed very well.  If not for the lack of inventory I would still be playing them. Costco easily demonstrated that you can make a  premium tour quality ball for $15 a dozen...

How much more does it really cost to make a pinnacle as compared to a ProV1??  I am no expert, but I am guessing they are pretty darn close.  

Someone explain please... make me justify spending so much. If I have the knowledge maybe I wonít cringe every time I have to purchase them.

Edited by Napoleon253, 12 January 2018 - 10:46 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:51 PM

It's probably awesome, because I've got 5 dozen of the old Chrome Soft to use before I can order this one.  :)

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:58 PM

View PostNapoleon253, on 12 January 2018 - 10:45 PM, said:

I have played the red and white truvis chrome soft exclusively for the last year. Love the ball! I wonder why other manufacturers donít use the soccer ball style pattern. Callaway canít have a patent on it can they??

The distance for me is just as good if not better than the Prov and putting with them has been a game changer.

That being said the price point on these balls is an absolute racket!  

I played the Kirkland ball and it performed very well.  If not for the lack of inventory I would still be playing them. Costco easily demonstrated that you can make a  premium tour quality ball for $15 a dozen...

How much more does it really cost to make a pinnacle as compared to a ProV1??  I am no expert, but I am guessing they are pretty darn close.  

Someone explain please... make me justify spending so much. If I have the knowledge maybe I wonít cringe every time I have to purchase them.

The pricing on balls is not a ďracketĒ how much R&D do you think Costco spent on their balls?

R&D, marketing, distribution, customer service etc etc adds up and has to be factored into the price.

Costco simply used what was on offer as an off the shelf design where the costs for R&D were amortised already.

Factor in little or zero marketing cost, and greatly reduced distribution and customer service costs too.

I havenít played either model of the Kirkland balls, they seem to get good reviews and are likely to be a solid performer assuming these reviews are accurate.

But if you want the absolute best for ball performance then you have to pay for the R&D to go with it.

Having played the 2018 Chrome Soft ball I can see why Callaway spent the money to design it.

In my opinion it is the best ball I have ever used.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 11:41 PM

View PostHISPL, on 12 January 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

View PostNapoleon253, on 12 January 2018 - 10:45 PM, said:

I have played the red and white truvis chrome soft exclusively for the last year. Love the ball! I wonder why other manufacturers donít use the soccer ball style pattern. Callaway canít have a patent on it can they??

The distance for me is just as good if not better than the Prov and putting with them has been a game changer.

That being said the price point on these balls is an absolute racket!  

I played the Kirkland ball and it performed very well.  If not for the lack of inventory I would still be playing them. Costco easily demonstrated that you can make a  premium tour quality ball for $15 a dozen...

How much more does it really cost to make a pinnacle as compared to a ProV1??  I am no expert, but I am guessing they are pretty darn close.  

Someone explain please... make me justify spending so much. If I have the knowledge maybe I wonít cringe every time I have to purchase them.

The pricing on balls is not a ďracketĒ how much R&D do you think Costco spent on their balls?

R&D, marketing, distribution, customer service etc etc adds up and has to be factored into the price.

Costco simply used what was on offer as an off the shelf design where the costs for R&D were amortised already.

Factor in little or zero marketing cost, and greatly reduced distribution and customer service costs too.

I havenít played either model of the Kirkland balls, they seem to get good reviews and are likely to be a solid performer assuming these reviews are accurate.

But if you want the absolute best for ball performance then you have to pay for the R&D to go with it.

Having played the 2018 Chrome Soft ball I can see why Callaway spent the money to design it.

In my opinion it is the best ball I have ever used.
I understand your point.  Maybe I need to stop pulling balls over fences and into lakes/back yards.  I guess if I could play a ball longer than 18 holes without loosing it I wouldnít feel so bad about paying $4 a ball. I am also not the type to hunt  aimlessly for a ball in the ruff and I have never once tried to retrieve a ball further in the water than my 5 iron can reach... Lazy??? Probably...I try and justify it with me trying not to slow down the group behind me...  even if no one is behind me... Ha! Lol...


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:38 AM

View PostHISPL, on 12 January 2018 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostGolf4lifer, on 11 January 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

View Postgroach, on 11 January 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I'm confused why people are so upset over $5?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your income, budget, etc.  Hear me out.

A new dozen PV1/PV1x costs $47.99 @ Dicks right now online.  If the CS/CSX go from $39.99 to $44.99, they are still cheaper.  Not as cheap, but still cheaper.  Not to mention if this new ball costs more to make in terms of this new material, better believe that price is getting passed to consumers.

My point is this - if you like a ball, and it truly performs for you, isn't paying another .42c per ball worth it?  From a budget standpoint, that's one less coffee per month, or skipping one drive-thru meal.  Your other option is to buy the 2017 versions at the discounted price.  There will still be tons of them available for a while.

For me, I liked the CSX and the TP5 equally and the only reason I picked the CSX was the cost. If it goes to 44.99, I would probably still play it, but I would be tempted to play the TP5 or ProV1X because the cost is now comparable. At $39.99 the CSX was a value, at least to me.

Now, if the new ball is better than the old one, which to me would be hard to imagine then I might just play the new one.

Performance of the 2018 Chrome Soft/Chrome Soft X, will be something to differentiate between the ProV1/X, TP5/X etc etc

I really believe the tech that is in this ball makes it perform better than anything else I have tried on the market.
In what way?
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:41 AM

View PostHISPL, on 12 January 2018 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostGolf4lifer, on 11 January 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

View Postgroach, on 11 January 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I'm confused why people are so upset over $5?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your income, budget, etc.  Hear me out.

A new dozen PV1/PV1x costs $47.99 @ Dicks right now online.  If the CS/CSX go from $39.99 to $44.99, they are still cheaper.  Not as cheap, but still cheaper.  Not to mention if this new ball costs more to make in terms of this new material, better believe that price is getting passed to consumers.

My point is this - if you like a ball, and it truly performs for you, isn't paying another .42c per ball worth it?  From a budget standpoint, that's one less coffee per month, or skipping one drive-thru meal.  Your other option is to buy the 2017 versions at the discounted price.  There will still be tons of them available for a while.

For me, I liked the CSX and the TP5 equally and the only reason I picked the CSX was the cost. If it goes to 44.99, I would probably still play it, but I would be tempted to play the TP5 or ProV1X because the cost is now comparable. At $39.99 the CSX was a value, at least to me.

Now, if the new ball is better than the old one, which to me would be hard to imagine then I might just play the new one.

Performance of the 2018 Chrome Soft/Chrome Soft X, will be something to differentiate between the ProV1/X, TP5/X etc etc

I really believe the tech that is in this ball makes it perform better than anything else I have tried on the market.

Are the ball speed claims real? Listened to a pod cast from Callaway today with Hudson swaford. He was very excited about the ball, said itís the first ball rock Ishii designed.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:08 AM

I played the regular truvis most of last season and liked it especially around the greens. At the end of the year I played TP5, Iíll give the 2018 a try at the same price as TP5. I used to play Pro V1 but wasnít impressed w the durability

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:46 AM

I really enjoyed the original CS.  I switched out to the Q-Star Tour (after giving the Duo Urethane a run as well)  this year as I was not a fan of the new CS version.  Hoping the 2018 ball feels and plays like the original for me.  I'll be at the PGA Show in a couple of weeks and hoping they will be available to hit outdoors at demo day at Orange County National.  Not thrilled about the over $40 price as that was a big differentiator in the retail market.  Lets be honest 99% of golfers don't gain from most of the ball technology advancements year over year.  It comes down to price or name and Titleist still dominates on its name so price becomes the key factor for almost everyone else. That being said if it works better for me and there is a noticeable advantage over my current ball then I will play it and I guess Callaway has enough confidence in this ball and feels that others like me will do the same.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 06:30 AM

I just gotta have yellow. Bought 11 dozen. Great ball, but if pinn soft came in yellow I'd be using it, I think. I think. I AM seeing some interesting shots from 50yds in, lol...

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 07:57 AM

If they can keep the feel of the soft from last year and Rock can add a little magic adding/reducing spin where needed they will definitely have something special.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:35 AM

View Postcampion, on 13 January 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

View PostHISPL, on 12 January 2018 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostGolf4lifer, on 11 January 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

View Postgroach, on 11 January 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I'm confused why people are so upset over $5?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your income, budget, etc.  Hear me out.

A new dozen PV1/PV1x costs $47.99 @ Dicks right now online.  If the CS/CSX go from $39.99 to $44.99, they are still cheaper.  Not as cheap, but still cheaper.  Not to mention if this new ball costs more to make in terms of this new material, better believe that price is getting passed to consumers.

My point is this - if you like a ball, and it truly performs for you, isn't paying another .42c per ball worth it?  From a budget standpoint, that's one less coffee per month, or skipping one drive-thru meal.  Your other option is to buy the 2017 versions at the discounted price.  There will still be tons of them available for a while.

For me, I liked the CSX and the TP5 equally and the only reason I picked the CSX was the cost. If it goes to 44.99, I would probably still play it, but I would be tempted to play the TP5 or ProV1X because the cost is now comparable. At $39.99 the CSX was a value, at least to me.

Now, if the new ball is better than the old one, which to me would be hard to imagine then I might just play the new one.

Performance of the 2018 Chrome Soft/Chrome Soft X, will be something to differentiate between the ProV1/X, TP5/X etc etc

I really believe the tech that is in this ball makes it perform better than anything else I have tried on the market.

Are the ball speed claims real? Listened to a pod cast from Callaway today with Hudson swaford. He was very excited about the ball, said it's the first ball rock Ishii designed.
Does that mean ball should cost more because Rock Ishi designed it? If i remember correctly, I dont think Nike had a lot of ball customers.Their best player is now playing a Bridgestone, and their second best player said he was going to stockup and he is playing a Taylormade now. I am worried about Callaway golf..

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:03 AM

I wouldn’t be to worried about Callaway. Rock did some pretty awesome stuff at Nike. I’m sure they aren’t interested in losing the #2 spot in ball sales.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:20 AM

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:25 AM

Received my test sleeve yesterday, putting them into play later this morning.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:57 AM

FWIW the 2017 Chromesoft and X's are on sale for 30 bucks at my local golfshop, probably can get them at yours too.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:26 PM

View PostJ13, on 12 January 2018 - 08:50 PM, said:

Heard players are picking up another 2-3mph in ball speed with the ball alone which is pretty crazy if true.  Price wise we shall see if it's a good move.  If they are really 2-3mph faster then other balls then people will pay $45 for them.

Ehhh... not bloody likely. The USGA does have limits on balls, and they do testing. I can't imagine they would approve a ball that gave you +3mph compared to everything else.

Callaway always has lots of hype surrounding their balls. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't (i.e. Speed Regime balls which were also $45 and collected dust on the shelves). But the one thing that did seem to work for them was moving the price down to $39 for their premium ball.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:41 PM

I might be on falling on the hype train; but if the distance gains are as real as I'm hearing then this is well worth the price. If not then I'm back to hunting last years chrome soft and Bridgestones at discount prices.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 04:42 PM

How long do balls last if stored indoors as opposed to say, car trunk or garage?

I have done comparison testing on ProV1ís, Chrome Soft and Snell MTB. My numbers are consistently better with the Chrome Soft and Snell. Not by a ton, mind you, but just enough to fit my game best. I grabbed three dozen Chrome Soft last summer with some shop credit and just ordered 5 dozen Snell at $23.99 since theyíre releasing new models this year.

Iím assuming theyíll keep a year or two with no performance loss as long as Iím storing them indoors?

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 04:45 PM

I'm surprised to not be hearing anything about the Truvis pattern on the Chromesofts. I am hoping they will apply those to the new CS.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:35 AM

View PostGary Gutful, on 13 January 2018 - 12:38 AM, said:

View PostHISPL, on 12 January 2018 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostGolf4lifer, on 11 January 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

View Postgroach, on 11 January 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I'm confused why people are so upset over $5?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your income, budget, etc.  Hear me out.

A new dozen PV1/PV1x costs $47.99 @ Dicks right now online.  If the CS/CSX go from $39.99 to $44.99, they are still cheaper.  Not as cheap, but still cheaper.  Not to mention if this new ball costs more to make in terms of this new material, better believe that price is getting passed to consumers.

My point is this - if you like a ball, and it truly performs for you, isn't paying another .42c per ball worth it?  From a budget standpoint, that's one less coffee per month, or skipping one drive-thru meal.  Your other option is to buy the 2017 versions at the discounted price.  There will still be tons of them available for a while.

For me, I liked the CSX and the TP5 equally and the only reason I picked the CSX was the cost. If it goes to 44.99, I would probably still play it, but I would be tempted to play the TP5 or ProV1X because the cost is now comparable. At $39.99 the CSX was a value, at least to me.

Now, if the new ball is better than the old one, which to me would be hard to imagine then I might just play the new one.

Performance of the 2018 Chrome Soft/Chrome Soft X, will be something to differentiate between the ProV1/X, TP5/X etc etc

I really believe the tech that is in this ball makes it perform better than anything else I have tried on the market.
In what way?

The best spin separation I have ever played in a ball, amazing feel and the seat of the pants feeling is that they are longer too.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:37 AM

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View Postgroach, on 11 January 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I'm confused why people are so upset over $5?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your income, budget, etc.  Hear me out.

A new dozen PV1/PV1x costs $47.99 @ Dicks right now online.  If the CS/CSX go from $39.99 to $44.99, they are still cheaper.  Not as cheap, but still cheaper.  Not to mention if this new ball costs more to make in terms of this new material, better believe that price is getting passed to consumers.

My point is this - if you like a ball, and it truly performs for you, isn't paying another .42c per ball worth it?  From a budget standpoint, that's one less coffee per month, or skipping one drive-thru meal.  Your other option is to buy the 2017 versions at the discounted price.  There will still be tons of them available for a while.

For me, I liked the CSX and the TP5 equally and the only reason I picked the CSX was the cost. If it goes to 44.99, I would probably still play it, but I would be tempted to play the TP5 or ProV1X because the cost is now comparable. At $39.99 the CSX was a value, at least to me.

Now, if the new ball is better than the old one, which to me would be hard to imagine then I might just play the new one.

Performance of the 2018 Chrome Soft/Chrome Soft X, will be something to differentiate between the ProV1/X, TP5/X etc etc

I really believe the tech that is in this ball makes it perform better than anything else I have tried on the market.

Are the ball speed claims real? Listened to a pod cast from Callaway today with Hudson swaford. He was very excited about the ball, said itís the first ball rock Ishii designed.

I donít have measurements, but it is the longest premium  ball I have ever played.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:38 AM

View Postgetair23, on 13 January 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

I wouldnít be to worried about Callaway. Rock did some pretty awesome stuff at Nike. Iím sure they arenít interested in losing the #2 spot in ball sales.

Callaway is more interested in becoming #1, I think this ball is good enough to do it!

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:41 AM

View Postbigeasy, on 13 January 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

View Postcampion, on 13 January 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

View PostHISPL, on 12 January 2018 - 09:40 PM, said:

View PostGolf4lifer, on 11 January 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

View Postgroach, on 11 January 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I'm confused why people are so upset over $5?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging your income, budget, etc.  Hear me out.

A new dozen PV1/PV1x costs $47.99 @ Dicks right now online.  If the CS/CSX go from $39.99 to $44.99, they are still cheaper.  Not as cheap, but still cheaper.  Not to mention if this new ball costs more to make in terms of this new material, better believe that price is getting passed to consumers.

My point is this - if you like a ball, and it truly performs for you, isn't paying another .42c per ball worth it?  From a budget standpoint, that's one less coffee per month, or skipping one drive-thru meal.  Your other option is to buy the 2017 versions at the discounted price.  There will still be tons of them available for a while.

For me, I liked the CSX and the TP5 equally and the only reason I picked the CSX was the cost. If it goes to 44.99, I would probably still play it, but I would be tempted to play the TP5 or ProV1X because the cost is now comparable. At $39.99 the CSX was a value, at least to me.

Now, if the new ball is better than the old one, which to me would be hard to imagine then I might just play the new one.

Performance of the 2018 Chrome Soft/Chrome Soft X, will be something to differentiate between the ProV1/X, TP5/X etc etc

I really believe the tech that is in this ball makes it perform better than anything else I have tried on the market.

Are the ball speed claims real? Listened to a pod cast from Callaway today with Hudson swaford. He was very excited about the ball, said it's the first ball rock Ishii designed.
Does that mean ball should cost more because Rock Ishi designed it? If i remember correctly, I dont think Nike had a lot of ball customers.Their best player is now playing a Bridgestone, and their second best player said he was going to stockup and he is playing a Taylormade now. I am worried about Callaway golf..

Mr Ishi is very good at what he does, the ball uses some unique materials and construction methods to offer the performance that it does.

If you donít want to pay an extra 40c per ball because that is too costly for you then donít play it... but if you want the performance that it offers, you will pay the money.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 06:57 AM

View PostNapoleon253, on 12 January 2018 - 10:45 PM, said:

I have played the red and white truvis chrome soft exclusively for the last year. Love the ball! I wonder why other manufacturers don't use the soccer ball style pattern. Callaway can't have a patent on it can they??

Non golf related but may be of interest....a guy called Eigil Nielson invented the pattern back in the forties - on a football (soccer...) ball

His company Select still makes balls and is very successful

The first ball that became known was the Adidas Telstar in the 1970 World cup

So, adidas have the history with the pattern though I imagine patents long gone

The pattern was introduced in football as the leather panels of that shape effected trajectory etc....so all ball technology.

Forgive my slight stray off topic

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 08:00 AM

Graphene. That's why the ball is so much better. Someone else already said, a sheet of the stuff would cover a football field and weigh as much as a dime.

They have mixed this super strong material into the cover of the ball, and made it urethane. Why is that so great? Because the cover of the ball is the thinnest possible. Why does that matter? Because the thinner cover creates that 2-3 MPH of ball speed everyone is talking about.

the new 18 ball will be long and soft and worth every penny.

IMO Callaway should have dropped the Chrome soft name with this ball because it's so much better it can't even be compared to the 17 ball. Rock is brilliant and Callaway does not want to be #2 in anything...

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 08:58 AM

Sounds awesome. Graphene for the win!

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 09:02 AM

View Posttbomb, on 14 January 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

Graphene. That's why the ball is so much better. Someone else already said, a sheet of the stuff would cover a football field and weigh as much as a dime.

They have mixed this super strong material into the cover of the ball, and made it urethane. Why is that so great? Because the cover of the ball is the thinnest possible. Why does that matter? Because the thinner cover creates that 2-3 MPH of ball speed everyone is talking about.

the new 18 ball will be long and soft and worth every penny.

IMO Callaway should have dropped the Chrome soft name with this ball because it's so much better it can't even be compared to the 17 ball. Rock is brilliant and Callaway does not want to be #2 in anything...

This is pretty much it, I was under the impression that the graphene was in the core not the cover but otherwise I agree with everything else.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 09:17 AM

View PostLancj1, on 14 January 2018 - 06:57 AM, said:

View PostNapoleon253, on 12 January 2018 - 10:45 PM, said:

I have played the red and white truvis chrome soft exclusively for the last year. Love the ball! I wonder why other manufacturers don't use the soccer ball style pattern. Callaway can't have a patent on it can they??

Non golf related but may be of interest....a guy called Eigil Nielson invented the pattern back in the forties - on a football (soccer...) ball

His company Select still makes balls and is very successful

The first ball that became known was the Adidas Telstar in the 1970 World cup

So, adidas have the history with the pattern though I imagine patents long gone

The pattern was introduced in football as the leather panels of that shape effected trajectory etc....so all ball technology.

Forgive my slight stray off topic
very cool!

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 09:18 AM

I like the Chrome Soft but will think twice if the price is too high.  If I have to pay a ProV price, I might as well get a ProV.

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