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#1 schley

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:40 AM

Very large swings depending on your private club.  From 0 to 1k per quarter is the highest I have heard.

So what is your F/B minimum?
Does it include alcohol?

You don't have to mention your club totally optional.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:51 AM

$40 per month. Does not include alcohol.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:05 AM

$50 per month (actually $150 per quarter), alcohol doesn't count.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:18 AM

No minimum.

It comes up every so often as a possibility, but the membership has generally preferred to pay higher dues and not have minimums.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:36 AM

$105 per month (Family), $70 per month (single).  12 months per year.  No booze

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:08 AM

150/quarter no alcohol but special events like oyster roast, or memorial day cook out at pool do count.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:09 AM

$250 per month, but that includes F&B, green and cart fees

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:25 AM

No minimum at either club

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:27 AM

I always wonder about clubs that force members to eat in the restaurant.  If the food was good, there'd be no need.  If is isn't, why have a restaurant?   A good restaurant should pay for itself and not need forced support.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:29 AM

Support the club ?

450 before 40.

950 after.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:35 AM

$30 a month at my club
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:37 AM

Zero minimum.

Dues are $800 / mo.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:40 AM

$100 per month minimum for food and beverage.  We close two weeks in February so $50 that month.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:43 AM

$0 minimum. Our restaurant was sold to a small local chain, so they took away any dining minimums since it was an unpopular decision among the membership. We do get a 10% discount on food from the restaurant, and it is pretty decent so its not the worst situation.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:48 AM

View PostDonatelloNobodie, on 09 January 2018 - 10:27 AM, said:

I always wonder about clubs that force members to eat in the restaurant.  If the food was good, there'd be no need.  If is isn't, why have a restaurant?   A good restaurant should pay for itself and not need forced support.

This isn't per se true - it's hard for clubs to make the math come together on F&B ops, and the minimum helps close the gap in some cases. Recognizing that this is Golfwrx - where a good number of posters are going to be happy with F&B options being limited to week-old egg salad sandwiches in a self-serve fridge in the pro shop; many (most?) members want the option of having a decent breakfast/lunch/dinner before or after 18 holes. Even moreso if you use the club to entertain business clients. The cost of that option is quite high, because you've got to staff the kitchen and front of the house full time, plus manage food waste and spoilage. Minimums, in large part, encourage members to use a service that they would be paying for anyways.

In other cases, minimums encourage people to come to the club and use it - there's nothing worse than a club that is a profitable ghost town.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:49 AM

$1200 a year.  It breaks down to $0 January and February, $100 March, April, May.  $150 June-September, and $100 October - December.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:26 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 09 January 2018 - 10:48 AM, said:

View PostDonatelloNobodie, on 09 January 2018 - 10:27 AM, said:

I always wonder about clubs that force members to eat in the restaurant.  If the food was good, there'd be no need.  If is isn't, why have a restaurant?   A good restaurant should pay for itself and not need forced support.

This isn't per se true - it's hard for clubs to make the math come together on F&B ops, and the minimum helps close the gap in some cases. Recognizing that this is Golfwrx - where a good number of posters are going to be happy F&B options being limited to week-old egg salad sandwiches in a self-serve fridge in the pro shop; many (most?) members want the option of having a decent breakfast/lunch/dinner before or after 18 holes. Even moreso if you use the club to entertain business clients. The cost of that option is quite high, because you've got to staff the kitchen and front of the house full time, plus manage food waste and spoilage. Minimums, in large part, encourage members to use a service that they would be paying for anyways.

In other cases, minimums encourage people to come to the club and use it - there's nothing worse than a club that is a profitable ghost town.
This is exactly right.  Many club members expect the bar and restaurant to be staffed, and expect to be able to get a meal.  So the club has to pay at least a cook and a bartender, and waitstaff, they have to stock food and drinks, pay for utilities, without knowing for certain whether they'll do any business.  Food minimums merely ensure a certain minimum income to partially cover the fixed expenses.  In a majority of clubs, the F&B operations don't make a profit, they're there as a service that members want.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:35 AM

View Postdavep043, on 09 January 2018 - 11:26 AM, said:

In a majority of clubs, the F&B operations don't make a profit, they're there as a service that members want.

What many people have a hard time getting their heads around is that in a club (at least, a member-owned club), nothing makes a profit. That's the point. Everybody wants to pay for only the pieces of the club that they use (and try to get value out of it) and complain that the other stuff is losing money. Every time we bring up food minimums, it's pointed out that we have a large number of members who don't play golf, and that the number of ala carte meals served is roughly 5x the number of golf rounds played. So who's subsidizing who?

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:37 AM

No minimum.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:38 AM

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:41 AM

My club doesn't offer typical amenities often associated with "country clubs".  And that's precisely why we are the most successful club in this region, in my opinion.  My club offers golf and absolutely nothing else.  The club's philosophy over the past 75 years has been "do one thing and do it better than the competition".  

I couldn't care less about aquatics centers, dining rooms, fitness centers and all the other junk that contribute greatly to a clubs overhead, which drives down quality in the process.  Just my perspective and one I fully realize is biased.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:13 PM

View PostSixcat, on 09 January 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

My club offers golf and absolutely nothing else.

Absolutely nothing else? Pro shop? Locker room? Cooler full of beer?

We actually do have a club in my town that does offer only golf (no clubhouse/pro shop, no carts, no nothing except the golf course and a port-a-potty next to the first tee) and - while it is fully subscribed with a long waiting list - many members would like something more from an amenity perspective.

But the "100% golf only" model wouldn't quite work for me.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:52 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 09 January 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

View PostSixcat, on 09 January 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

My club offers golf and absolutely nothing else.

Absolutely nothing else? Pro shop? Locker room? Cooler full of beer?

We actually do have a club in my town that does offer only golf (no clubhouse/pro shop, no carts, no nothing except the golf course) and - while it is fully subscribed with a long waiting list - many members would like something more from an amenity perspective.

But the "100% golf only" model wouldn't quite work for me.

If we're going to play the semantics game, we have a clubhouse, men's and women's locker rooms, fully stocked pro shop and beverage cooler.  So, to your point, golf isn't the "absolute" only thing we offer.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:59 PM

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:14 PM

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:45 PM

F&B minimums.  Chicken and egg.  At every club I've eaten at the food has been pretty much meh, terrible if you adjust for the cost (including a few upper-end though no high end places).  There's no way the restaurants would stay in business if there were not minimums forcing people to use them.  Then again, if there were no minimums the kitchen might have more pressure to improve and attract customers...  Hence, what comes first?  Members not using the restaurant forcing the creation of F&B mins.  Or the restaurant delivering such a poor product/value that the members are not interested in using the restaurant to begin with?

In many parts of the US now the foodie culture has really taken off.  I can't imagine that's helping with the CC restaurant scene.

That said, my last club mins were $200/6months for Jr. Members, $400/6months for full members.  That did include alcohol.  But honestly, we never met our mins. because the restaurant was just not good (and I'm not a big 2PM drinker).  The menu was good mind you, everything 'looked' good on paper.  But when it came out..45 minutes later..it was mediocre at best.  I decided after about 3 meals that I would just take the bath and we could go eat somewhere decent after playing.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:07 PM

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F&B minimums.  Chicken and egg.  At every club I've eaten at the food has been pretty much meh, terrible if you adjust for the cost (including a few upper-end though no high end places).  .....That said, my last club mins were $200/6months for Jr. Members, $400/6months for full members.  That did include alcohol.  But honestly, we never met our mins. because the restaurant was just not good (and I'm not a big 2PM drinker).  The menu was good mind you, everything 'looked' good on paper.  But when it came out..45 minutes later..it was mediocre at best.  I decided after about 3 meals that I would just take the bath and we could go eat somewhere decent after playing.
It might be a good idea for a different thread, quality of food service at golf clubs.  Our food is reasonably good, I almost never have a problem using the minimum, unless the weather is too miserable to play for a couple of months.  The goal of our club, as a whole, is to get members to spend more time at the club, whether its playing golf,  eating and drinking, playing tennis, taking yoga or Pilates classes, anything that brings and keeps people on premises is good for the club.  Its much healthier to have people coming in and eating than simply sending their check each month and not eating.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:16 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 09 January 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

View Postdavep043, on 09 January 2018 - 11:26 AM, said:

In a majority of clubs, the F&B operations don't make a profit, they're there as a service that members want.

What many people have a hard time getting their heads around is that in a club (at least, a member-owned club), nothing makes a profit. That's the point. Everybody wants to pay for only the pieces of the club that they use (and try to get value out of it) and complain that the other stuff is losing money. Every time we bring up food minimums, it's pointed out that we have a large number of members who don't play golf, and that the number of ala carte meals served is roughly 5x the number of golf rounds played. So who's subsidizing who?

If some members want it, set the prices accordingly, so that those who want it, pay for it.  Don't force others, who may NOT want it, to pay for it to benefit others. Profit is not the issue, some members forced to pay for something that they do not want

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:43 PM

View PostDonatelloNobodie, on 09 January 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:


If some members want it, set the prices accordingly, so that those who want it, pay for it.  Don't force others, who may NOT want it, to pay for it to benefit others. Profit is not the issue, some members forced to pay for something that they do not want
To me, the important thing is to provide value to the membership at large.  I don't play tennis, but having tennis courts can bring in a few more members, that's good for the club.  Similarly, I do't use the pool, but its good to have it.  When you join most clubs, you join the package, you don't pick ala carte which services you want to use.  If the membership at large wants to have a dining option, the membership at large has to pay for it.  Sure, a few people will pay for something they don't use, that's part of the deal they signed up for when they joined the club.  And from my experience, the people who really want to have the food service tend to spend a whole lot more than the minimum.
I liken this to taxes.  I can't choose not to contribute tax money that gets spent on schools, simply because I don't have kids in school.  We pay taxes for stuff we never use, because our society as a whole is better (at least hopefully) because money gets spent on those things.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 03:42 PM

I was a member of a club where a small number of vocal members dominated the board of directors.  They decided that the club 'needed' a new fancy clubhouse with a restaurant and workout room to attract members.  A large mortgage was taken to pay for it all, dues was raised, and spending minimums were instituted.   A number of members, including myself, left.  Five years later, the club is gone and the land is a shopping center.  It was a very nice old course that had been successful for decades.  And people wonder why golf clubs are going out of business....


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