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Chamblee’s “Greatest Shot Ever Hit”


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#31 PGArox

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:56 PM

I watched Golf Central this afternoon, and they replayed DJ's shot a couple times, and the more you see it the less impressed you are.

It was downhill, downwind, and the architecture of the hole not only kept DJ's ball from going into the rough, but it funneled the ball right into the heart of the green where, advantageously, the hole just happened to be cut.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:14 PM

I think that if we focus we can come out with not less than 50 better (pressure and situation considered) shots than a bombed drive in a limited field event

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:24 AM

View Postghostrider, on 08 January 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

Nicklaus - One iron into the monster wind at Pebble number 17 for the Open. Hit pin and stopped 1-2 inches away.   Can't remember the exact yardage but maybe 170 or so. And a 1 iron...
That 1 iron shot by Nicklaus in 1972 was 215+ on #17. Old US Open video footage of Jacks shot had it at 218 to the hole. For the US Open at Pebble there is a back tee they use for 17 that the PB Pro-Am doesn't use. The tee is actually for another hole at Pebble (Back tee on #4). You can see this when using a satellite image of Pebble or the scorecard.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:02 AM

Somehow the old line by Hogan applies here: I don’t know why people are so impressed by the fact that the ball went in the hole. That’s where I aimed it.

Or something like that!

Edited by Swisstrader98, 09 January 2018 - 02:05 AM.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:35 AM

I’m not sure DJ’s shot was the best ever hit on that course.

I’d personally pick bubba’s cut driver off the deck on 18 at Kapalua a few years back to finish with eagle.

I think it’s tougher to pull that off than a downhill, downwind tee shot that ended up where it did more by luck than skill.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 05:07 AM

View Postgolfgirlrobin, on 08 January 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

If he says something critical, people get all worked up.  If he compliments something, people get worked up.  It’s almost like he can’t win.

It’s a pretty amazing shot, but I’d never pick a drive, or any teed up shot, as the best ever.

What if it rolls in for a hole-in-one? Surely holing a shot from 433 yards is superior than any chip in or putt?

I thought it was an unbelievable shot but I would judge shots probably equally on the quality of the shot and the context of the moment.

If you're going to rank it 50-50 based on that criteria, then DJ's shot is a 48/49 out of 50 for the quality of the shot. But it's like a 15/50 for context. He has a 5-shot lead at that point I think. It's the Tournament of Champions.

Compare that to Harrington's 5 wood at the Open, Tiger's chip-in in the Masters, Mickelson's pine straw shot at the Masters, Nicklaus iron at the US Open etc. They would all rank in the 45-50 range on quality of shot...and context.

Considering the context and the history of the hole, you could argue that Sergio Garcia hitting the flagstick at 15 with his approach at the Masters last year was a greater shot, given his history in majors and his position in the tournament.

For me, a shot in a non-major event could really never be the best shot ever hit. The only way that DJ's shot is the best ever, given that he's playing in the Tournament of Champions, is if he actually holes the drive, he's behind in the tournament, and it's the final hole. Then everything comes together to make it the best shot 'ever'. 'Ever' is quite the broad statement. Drives in a non-major event over the past 20 years? Yes, it may well have been the best. Ever? Probably not.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 05:58 AM

View PostChristosterone, on 08 January 2018 - 10:40 PM, said:

View PostEricWGolf, on 08 January 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

I’ll just leave this here...

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Great post...
You know, I may need to change my answer...

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:05 AM

To me, the context of the shot (was it in a major, did it change the outcome of a tournament, how difficult was the shot etc) needs to be considered in determining “greatness”, so as good as it was, I wouldn’t rank DJ’s shot as the greatest ever.

Taking a more objective view though, could you not just look at the  strokes gained value of the shot and determine the shot’s value compared to any other?  I don’t think that gives you greatest, but perhaps it gives you most valuable or best.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:07 AM

View Postgrm24, on 09 January 2018 - 01:24 AM, said:

View Postghostrider, on 08 January 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

Nicklaus - One iron into the monster wind at Pebble number 17 for the Open. Hit pin and stopped 1-2 inches away.   Can't remember the exact yardage but maybe 170 or so. And a 1 iron...
That 1 iron shot by Nicklaus in 1972 was 215+ on #17. Old US Open video footage of Jacks shot had it at 218 to the hole. For the US Open at Pebble there is a back tee they use for 17 that the PB Pro-Am doesn't use. The tee is actually for another hole at Pebble (Back tee on #4). You can see this when using a satellite image of Pebble or the scorecard.

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Factor in the equipment he was using as well.

Hard to pick a winner between Bubba and Jack on this. Tiger has hit a few good ones, chip in on the 16th at the memorial or Masters.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:43 AM

View Postbscinstnct, on 08 January 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

Beterrn DJ

Bettern DJ!


Robert f*cking Gamez.  Not a Norman fan by any means but if he thinks he might be cursed that's the proof right there.  And he got a plaque in the fairway to boot.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:47 AM

Brandel defends himself on the Foreplay podcast: https://itunes.apple...i=1000399413403
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:15 AM

https://www.youtube....h?v=_vHY97iGRjM

This would rank pretty high I'd wager.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:20 AM

I mean, I think it was a great shot, not the "greatest of all time"!!!!
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:31 AM

How has nobody mentioned “the shot heard around the world”?   Easily the most significant to winning a major, one that that had basically given to someone else.  Gene Sarazen making double eagle on 15 at Augusta while three back of the lead to force a playoff which he eventually won.  The winner’s check had already been made out to Craig Wood who had already finished.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:38 AM

^^
This

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:48 AM

View PostHoly Moses, on 08 January 2018 - 05:39 PM, said:

Brandel said DJ’s 433 yard drive on the par 4 12th that ended inches from the hole yesterday was the “great shot ever hit on the PGA Tour.” DJ’s drive was downhill and downwind and it didn’t even go in the hole. It also didn’t help win a major or a significant tournament.

Brandel on Twitter listed his other favorite shots and every single one of them was better than DJ’s drive. http://www.golfchann...t-ever-hit-game

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:18 AM

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If he says something critical, people get all worked up.  If he compliments something, people get worked up.  It’s almost like he can’t win.

It’s a pretty amazing shot, but I’d never pick a drive, or any teed up shot, as the best ever.

Brandel intentionally tries to ignite controversy. It's what he does. He doesn't want to win, he wants to start a raging conversation and walk away with the ratings. Fine fine hair tho.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:18 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 09 January 2018 - 09:31 AM, said:

How has nobody mentioned “the shot heard around the world”?   Easily the most significant to winning a major, one that that had basically given to someone else.  Gene Sarazen making double eagle on 15 at Augusta while three back of the lead to force a playoff which he eventually won.  The winner’s check had already been made out to Craig Wood who had already finished.

Sarazan’s holeout was Brandel’s second-greatest shot of all time
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:18 AM

View Postgrm24, on 09 January 2018 - 01:24 AM, said:

View Postghostrider, on 08 January 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

Nicklaus - One iron into the monster wind at Pebble number 17 for the Open. Hit pin and stopped 1-2 inches away.   Can't remember the exact yardage but maybe 170 or so. And a 1 iron...
That 1 iron shot by Nicklaus in 1972 was 215+ on #17. Old US Open video footage of Jacks shot had it at 218 to the hole. For the US Open at Pebble there is a back tee they use for 17 that the PB Pro-Am doesn't use. The tee is actually for another hole at Pebble (Back tee on #4). You can see this when using a satellite image of Pebble or the scorecard.

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Of the top ten greatest shots of all time, 2 have been hit at Pebble Beach #17.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:33 AM

There has to be 250+ shots better than that one just in the majors, The Ryder Cup, and the Player's Champ alone

Hogan 1 iron at Merion etc etc

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:46 AM

View Postcardoustie, on 09 January 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

There has to be 250+ shots better than that one just in the majors, The Ryder Cup, and the Player's Champ alone

Hogan 1 iron at Merion etc etc

Eh, Hogan didn’t even hit the green and didn’t make birdie. The par got him into a playoff. The great photo of Hogan made the shot memorable.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:01 AM

BC is full of wonderful commentary.  He is a master of words.  He enjoys listening to himself talk.  Every now and then he says something intelligent and offers some good statistical insight.  "Greatest shot every hit" comment, idiotic...

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:15 AM

View PostDave230, on 09 January 2018 - 05:07 AM, said:

View Postgolfgirlrobin, on 08 January 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

If he says something critical, people get all worked up.  If he compliments something, people get worked up.  It’s almost like he can’t win.

It’s a pretty amazing shot, but I’d never pick a drive, or any teed up shot, as the best ever.

What if it rolls in for a hole-in-one? Surely holing a shot from 433 yards is superior than any chip in or putt?

I thought it was an unbelievable shot but I would judge shots probably equally on the quality of the shot and the context of the moment.

If you're going to rank it 50-50 based on that criteria, then DJ's shot is a 48/49 out of 50 for the quality of the shot. But it's like a 15/50 for context. He has a 5-shot lead at that point I think. It's the Tournament of Champions.

Compare that to Harrington's 5 wood at the Open, Tiger's chip-in in the Masters, Mickelson's pine straw shot at the Masters, Nicklaus iron at the US Open etc. They would all rank in the 45-50 range on quality of shot...and context.

Considering the context and the history of the hole, you could argue that Sergio Garcia hitting the flagstick at 15 with his approach at the Masters last year was a greater shot, given his history in majors and his position in the tournament.

For me, a shot in a non-major event could really never be the best shot ever hit. The only way that DJ's shot is the best ever, given that he's playing in the Tournament of Champions, is if he actually holes the drive, he's behind in the tournament, and it's the final hole. Then everything comes together to make it the best shot 'ever'. 'Ever' is quite the broad statement. Drives in a non-major event over the past 20 years? Yes, it may well have been the best. Ever? Probably not.

I'm not impressed by luck. A ball bounding downhill on a lumpy fairway has to have a lot of luck to end up inches from the hole. I'm impressed by length, but that's not necessarily skill either.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:51 PM

View Postdiablocrusher, on 09 January 2018 - 04:35 AM, said:

I'm not sure DJ's shot was the best ever hit on that course.

I'd personally pick bubba's cut driver off the deck on 18 at Kapalua a few years back to finish with eagle.

I think it's tougher to pull that off than a downhill, downwind tee shot that ended up where it did more by luck than skill.

Bubba vid https://youtu.be/AzzpQ5EhPck

100% agree.  


I actually enjoy Brandel (*ducks*).  Most of the time he is well informed, and as I say over and over, I just want my sports to be entertaining.  He is certainly not boring.  But, he's just stirring the pot here and he knows it.  DJ's drive was impressive to say the least.  but this GOAT talk is folly.  There is so much luck involved with that long of a shot coming close to the hole.  ask Aaron Baddeley (17th at the Valero).  I don't want to diminish DJ's greatness.  Hitting a ball that far alone is impressive, never mind the accuracy he has found.  He's poised for a pretty epic run the next couple of years, and I'm all in!

But I'll add another that was a better shot, IMO.  JT's 290 yd three wood to 18 at the US Open to eagle the last and shoot 63.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:27 PM

ya can’t deny that BC is relevant........(just ask anyone that responds to a BC thread...) ha!


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:28 PM

View Postgvogel, on 09 January 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

View Postgrm24, on 09 January 2018 - 01:24 AM, said:

View Postghostrider, on 08 January 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

Nicklaus - One iron into the monster wind at Pebble number 17 for the Open. Hit pin and stopped 1-2 inches away.   Can't remember the exact yardage but maybe 170 or so. And a 1 iron...
That 1 iron shot by Nicklaus in 1972 was 215+ on #17. Old US Open video footage of Jacks shot had it at 218 to the hole. For the US Open at Pebble there is a back tee they use for 17 that the PB Pro-Am doesn't use. The tee is actually for another hole at Pebble (Back tee on #4). You can see this when using a satellite image of Pebble or the scorecard.

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Of the top ten greatest shots of all time, 2 have been hit at Pebble Beach #17.

^^this

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:33 PM

Some amazing stuff happens all the time that we all forget about. Like JDay's crazy eagle on the 72nd hole at the PGA a couple years back. Haas' water shot. JBird's ace to win a playoff. Louis' 2 @ #2. etc etc

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 08:44 PM

Only on WRX would a 433 yard drive that ended inches from the cup be considered ho-hum.........
Perhaps if the words had been spoken by someone other than Brandel it would have been considered a "really good" shot by at least a few of you???
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:58 AM

View Postnbg352, on 09 January 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

Only on WRX would a 433 yard drive that ended inches from the cup be considered ho-hum.........
Perhaps if the words had been spoken by someone other than Brandel it would have been considered a "really good" shot by at least a few of you???

It was an amazing shot, could be shot of the year, but it's not all time best - Too much luck involved.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:33 AM

View PostHoly Moses, on 09 January 2018 - 10:46 AM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 09 January 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

There has to be 250+ shots better than that one just in the majors, The Ryder Cup, and the Player's Champ alone

Hogan 1 iron at Merion etc etc

Eh, Hogan didn't even hit the green and didn't make birdie. The par got him into a playoff. The great photo of Hogan made the shot memorable.
I agree about the photo and also it was the circumstances of Hogan's accident and recovery leading up to the Open that lend the shot most of its mystique and legend.  A terrific shot under pressure nonetheless.  But I've never read or heard anything to suggest that wasn't a 2 putt par.  Do you have other information?

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