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TaylorMade M3 and M4 drivers, fairways and rescues


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#61 tdk8180

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 12:54 PM

Tiger is back, right on time with America!

Wasnt the bulge and roll characteristics similar to this "twistface" for the 282 Superquad??

Old tricks??


Edited by tdk8180, 02 January 2018 - 12:56 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 12:55 PM

View PostBearQ, on 02 January 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

Great looks but those upright lie angles :(
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:00 PM

View PostQMany, on 02 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Postdaverain1, on 02 January 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Same technology as Cobra's E-9 and the B & R in the milled face in the new Cobra Drivers.  Just a recycled idea with new branding.  Kinda like they stole the blue and red M color scheme from BMW M series cars. Time for TM to have some original thinking or get left 17 yards behind.

I thought the same at first before hearing specifics, but that doesn't seem to be the case. They seem to be addressing a similar problem in different ways.

Cobra has been tilting the axis of the bulge & roll to help low-heal and high-toe strikes.

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“We did a lot of analysis we found that first, the bulge and roll should really be canted along this E9 axis, so instead it being vertical, we actually tilt the roll at seven degrees, as is the bulge. So it optimizes accuracy when golfers hit on the low heel and high toe.”
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But I don't think it was "twisting" the face like this, curving more open towards the high-toe.

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I have to say that my first thought were Cobra and E9.

These guys have had similar thoughts.  https://mygolfspy.com/2018-taylormade-m3-m4-drivers-fairways-hybrids/
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:17 PM

Like the looks of both lines.  Can't wait to hit.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:25 PM

Was checking the specs for the M4 fairways & hybrids & according to specs listed all M4 fairway lofts are available in LH which contradicts what was written in the Golfwrx article. Also 25 degree M4 hybrid is not Listed in LH option which also contradicts Golf WRX article. So confused...

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:33 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 02 January 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

I'm very pleased to see someone call bs on bulge and roll as a benefit overall.  ANy heel side misser knows it to be true.  I'm not saying it doesn't have merit in theory.  I've just never seen it work well in practical terms.  I've always hit a deep faced non bulgy 3 wood miles straighter at 13 degrees or less than Driver.  Unless that Driver was old enough to have a straighter face.  The issue isn't bulge. It's how much bulge.  This looks like they are just reducing  the bulge.  That's s good thing in my mind.

sorry, they've actually increased the bulge and roll in the high toe and low heel areas. people are imagining some f*** stuff because of the name. if anything is BS it's the name "twist face".

but the actual engineer may be sound. most golfers have probably seen their high toe shoes duck hook pretty bad despite having a curved face on their driver forever. i'd love to see some iron byron testing... live... not just a TM commercial with chart of made up results.

also, the description of gear effect, bulge and roll in the article on here is completely backwards. no wonder most golfers still don't really understand these now ancient concepts. i don't care if it came straight from the TM marketing materials, it's not right.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:46 PM

View Postdaverain1, on 02 January 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Same technology as Cobra's E-9 and the B & R in the milled face in the new Cobra Drivers.  Just a recycled idea with new branding.  Kinda like they stole the blue and red M color scheme from BMW M series cars. Time for TM to have some original thinking or get left 17 yards behind.

I've seen this comment posted so many times and I just don't get it. Is no one else allowed to use red and blue along with any type of M wording or do you just especially hate TM so you nitpick over something stupid on purpose? I'm pretty damn sure that BMW didn't invent M or red or blue and lots of logos have similar lettering now a days so I just don't understand people getting so upset with this particular aspect.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:02 PM

View PostJohnKHawk, on 02 January 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

Was checking the specs for the M4 fairways & hybrids & according to specs listed all M4 fairway lofts are available in LH which contradicts what was written in the Golfwrx article. Also 25 degree M4 hybrid is not Listed in LH option which also contradicts Golf WRX article. So confused...
Chatted with TM rep on website & he confirmed that it's the same old offerings as usual for left hand. 3, 3HL & 5 wood in the M4 Fairway & 3 & 4 hybrid in M4. No 5 hybrid as referenced in Golf WRX article. Figures. Lefties need just as many long iron replacement options as right handers. Stupid TM.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:03 PM

Good looking sticks, definitely will give it a shot.


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:10 PM

I'll say this, finally. The tech works. Is it going to save your snap hook or banana slice, not a chance. Is it going to keep that slight mishit from finding the rough by 3-4 yards, yes it will. The drivers are no longer than the previous models, ball speed is the same, etc. However it can help a decent player control the ball better and turn those "barely missed" fairways into fairways hit. Is that a tech worth trying? I'd say for the 15 or lower cap, absolutely.
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:14 PM

View PostBearQ, on 02 January 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

Great looks but those upright lie angles :(

I don't know... same as the M1 and M2... adjustable from 58 to 62 degrees.... whatever works I guess
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:39 PM

So I wonder if this twist face is only designed for a in to out swing? I swing out to in to try and fade the ball, so in doing so would that completely change how the ball comes off the face when mishit?
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:44 PM

Thank you Taylor made for keeping glued fairway.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:49 PM

Excited to see some real feedback on these things. Game changing distance isn’t out there to be found. Hitting the ball even just alittle bit straighter would make a world of difference for the slightly better player.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:03 PM

View Postgeno4952, on 02 January 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

View PostBearQ, on 02 January 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

Great looks but those upright lie angles :(

I don't know... same as the M1 and M2... adjustable from 58 to 62 degrees.... whatever works I guess

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:12 PM


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:13 PM

And all of these wonderful new products will supposedly be released......when?

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:20 PM

So what happen if you hit the sweet spot everytime :)
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:22 PM

View Postjohnnypro, on 02 January 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

And all of these wonderful new products will supposedly be released......when?

February 16 as reported on the front page.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:33 PM

Why would he not test with the shaft he always uses, the Rogue?
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:39 PM

Face twist looks super interesting. Excited to give these a try!!!

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:40 PM

View Postdavo32683, on 02 January 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

Why would he not test with the shaft he always uses, the Rogue?

Yeah I find that pretty odd too. I guess just to show how it works with the stock shaft? (Even though most golfers will probably upgrade to their preferred anyway).

I wish Rick would throw in the 430 & 440 options into his reviews. Personally myself, would never use a 460 club. And I really want to see how the smaller head works for him.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:08 PM

View PostEric05, on 02 January 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

Cant wait to see what the staff bag looks like!

It was posted in the other thread, looks pretty sweet.  Iíd find it for you but Iím on mobile.
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:10 PM

Rick Shiels test video showed these are shorter and less accurate.... save your money----

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:12 PM

Definitely love the M4 & M3 line and especially how they kept the gray edge at address on the top of the M3 rescue.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:13 PM

View PostJRS, on 02 January 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 02 January 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

I'm very pleased to see someone call bs on bulge and roll as a benefit overall.  ANy heel side misser knows it to be true.  I'm not saying it doesn't have merit in theory.  I've just never seen it work well in practical terms.  I've always hit a deep faced non bulgy 3 wood miles straighter at 13 degrees or less than Driver.  Unless that Driver was old enough to have a straighter face.  The issue isn't bulge. It's how much bulge.  This looks like they are just reducing  the bulge.  That's s good thing in my mind.

sorry, they've actually increased the bulge and roll in the high toe and low heel areas. people are imagining some f*** stuff because of the name. if anything is BS it's the name "twist face".

but the actual engineer may be sound. most golfers have probably seen their high toe shoes duck hook pretty bad despite having a curved face on their driver forever. i'd love to see some iron byron testing... live... not just a TM commercial with chart of made up results.

also, the description of gear effect, bulge and roll in the article on here is completely backwards. no wonder most golfers still don't really understand these now ancient concepts. i don't care if it came straight from the TM marketing materials, it's not right.


Maybe I donít get it because a duck hook with Driver is a shot i canít say Iíve ever hit.  I draw everything naturally.  Except a 400cc plus Driver.  My kiss is a high block thatís ganerally 50 yards right.  This may make it worse ?  Who the heíll knows.  I also know that the occasiona heel miss Iíve had lately goes nowhere .  Goes straight but just balloons and dies.  Like 30% loss in distance.  This effect is greatly reduced when missing a flatter faced 3 wood in the Same places.  Or at least it seems it is.  Of course itís all moot if we just hit it in the center.  I just find that harder to do the bigger  the head is.  And the circle goes round and round.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:13 PM

But will be sticking to my 17' M1 line

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:17 PM

View PostEric05, on 02 January 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

Cant wait to see what the staff bag looks like!

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:22 PM

View Postviperstudio, on 02 January 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

So what happen if you hit the sweet spot everytime :)

now thats just fantasy land wish list ;)


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