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#61 mudge

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 10:04 PM

 IMAway, on 30 December 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

He's definitely legit.  For some strange reason, lots of haters on this site.  Sad actually.

My favorite is the guy who commented something to the effect "this guy swings around 100 mph."  As if his naked eye watching a video can tell the difference between 100 and 110.  Classic.

Watch Els or Couples swing in their prime and then watch another average PGA Tour Pro's swing.  You'd swear Els or Couples are 5-10 mph slower.   But they aren't.  Same exact concept happening here.

It's hilarious. As if anyone can accurately eyeball what someone's driver speed is.

Just watched a video where Monte related that before a long drive tournament, a fellow long drive competitor noted that Monte's swing "didn't look like more than 110 mph." Monte ended up paired against him and beat him by 40 yds.


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#62 northgolf

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 01:14 AM

 mudge, on 31 December 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

 IMAway, on 30 December 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

He's definitely legit.  For some strange reason, lots of haters on this site.  Sad actually.

My favorite is the guy who commented something to the effect "this guy swings around 100 mph."  As if his naked eye watching a video can tell the difference between 100 and 110.  Classic.

Watch Els or Couples swing in their prime and then watch another average PGA Tour Pro's swing.  You'd swear Els or Couples are 5-10 mph slower.   But they aren't.  Same exact concept happening here.

It's hilarious. As if anyone can accurately eyeball what someone's driver speed is.

Just watched a video where Monte related that before a long drive tournament, a fellow long drive competitor noted that Monte's swing "didn't look like more than 110 mph." Monte ended up paired against him and beat him by 40 yds.

Didn't Novosel make a cottage industry out of counting video frames?  I  guess he was just one hell of an eyeballer (sheesh, that sounds kinky in a really off sort of way).
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Posted 04 January 2018 - 01:17 PM

Let's see him on a legitimate launch monitor. They are pretty common and it shouldn't be difficult for him to find one. I am referring to Trackman, Flightscope or Foresight. That will quell all arguments.

Edited by PingEye2, 04 January 2018 - 01:18 PM.


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Posted 04 January 2018 - 02:02 PM

 PingEye2, on 04 January 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Let's see him on a legitimate launch monitor. They are pretty common and it shouldn't be difficult for him to find one. I am referring to Trackman, Flightscope or Foresight. That will quell all arguments.

For what heís charging he should own at least one of those.

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 07:46 PM

 iteachgolf, on 04 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

 PingEye2, on 04 January 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Let's see him on a legitimate launch monitor. They are pretty common and it shouldn't be difficult for him to find one. I am referring to Trackman, Flightscope or Foresight. That will quell all arguments.

For what heís charging he should own at least one of those.

Yeah, in one of his video comment threads, he says heís never even been on a Trackman. Hard to believe for a relatively high profile instructor in LV.


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Posted 04 January 2018 - 08:20 PM

 RattlesnakeRon, on 04 January 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 04 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

 PingEye2, on 04 January 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Let's see him on a legitimate launch monitor. They are pretty common and it shouldn't be difficult for him to find one. I am referring to Trackman, Flightscope or Foresight. That will quell all arguments.

For what heís charging he should own at least one of those.

Yeah, in one of his video comment threads, he says heís never even been on a Trackman. Hard to believe for a relatively high profile instructor in LV.

As a student it would be a big red flag for me that a teacher had never hit balls on a launch monitor, and thatís any teacher at any level.  Thereís no excuse except willfull ignorance.

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 11:16 PM

 iteachgolf, on 04 January 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

 RattlesnakeRon, on 04 January 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 04 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

 PingEye2, on 04 January 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Let's see him on a legitimate launch monitor. They are pretty common and it shouldn't be difficult for him to find one. I am referring to Trackman, Flightscope or Foresight. That will quell all arguments.

For what he's charging he should own at least one of those.

Yeah, in one of his video comment threads, he says he's never even been on a Trackman. Hard to believe for a relatively high profile instructor in LV.

As a student it would be a big red flag for me that a teacher had never hit balls on a launch monitor, and that's any teacher at any level.  There's no excuse except willfull ignorance.

It takes extraordinary effort for a community to assuage the ignorance of a moron as he doesn't know what he doesn't know.  Next thing you know,  I will be quoting Rumsfeld.
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 09:30 AM

 northgolf, on 04 January 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 04 January 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

 RattlesnakeRon, on 04 January 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 04 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

 PingEye2, on 04 January 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Let's see him on a legitimate launch monitor. They are pretty common and it shouldn't be difficult for him to find one. I am referring to Trackman, Flightscope or Foresight. That will quell all arguments.

For what he's charging he should own at least one of those.

Yeah, in one of his video comment threads, he says he's never even been on a Trackman. Hard to believe for a relatively high profile instructor in LV.

As a student it would be a big red flag for me that a teacher had never hit balls on a launch monitor, and that's any teacher at any level.  There's no excuse except willfull ignorance.

It takes extraordinary effort for a community to assuage the ignorance of a moron as he doesn't know what he doesn't know.  Next thing you know,  I will be quoting Rumsfeld.
Nice!

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 11:20 AM

Extra credit for using assuage in a sentence

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 01:40 AM

Assuage is just sausage misspelled



Now I need a breakfast burrito


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:04 AM

Although Paul Wilson's method is fairly well known, however, it seems difficult to copy.
Apparently nobody on Golfwrx web-site has expressed that he could improve his swing speed to 110-115 mph.

As such I have bought his book and lessons, but I did not significantly improve.
As such I think I can play with powerless arms and have proper rotary speed. However, it does not work so well in my case.
Shame...... but I am not the only one.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:29 AM

Iím sure there are many loyal students of Paulís out here but all I hear is kudos for instructors that work at his school and mixed reviews of him.

Iím not trying to knock the guy for trying to market himself but something that always struck me as odd was the number of different brands or products he put out videos under. SwingMachineGolf, Ignition Golf, Body Motion, etc.

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:55 AM

 northgolf, on 01 January 2018 - 01:14 AM, said:

Didn't Novosel make a cottage industry out of counting video frames?  I  guess he was just one hell of an eyeballer (sheesh, that sounds kinky in a really off sort of way).

I believe Novosel had actual video and counted the frames.





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Posted 05 February 2018 - 09:55 PM

For all the doubters:


Edited by pwgolfpro, 05 February 2018 - 09:57 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:02 PM

 ctmason_98, on 09 January 2018 - 02:29 AM, said:

I'm sure there are many loyal students of Paul's out here but all I hear is kudos for instructors that work at his school and mixed reviews of him.

I'm not trying to knock the guy for trying to market himself but something that always struck me as odd was the number of different brands or products he put out videos under. SwingMachineGolf, Ignition Golf, Body Motion, etc.

Get your facts straight before bashing me.  I have 1 assistant.  Always have.

I have different names for my products because Swing Machine Golf was my first product.  It bases the swing on Iron Byron.  My new product has no machine so it has a new name.  Ignition Golf is my golf tips website with over 1,000 of my tips.

Am I not allowed to name my products now without it being a problem?


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:04 PM

Brilliant!
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:07 PM

 dutch-dude, on 09 January 2018 - 02:04 AM, said:

Although Paul Wilson's method is fairly well known, however, it seems difficult to copy.
Apparently nobody on Golfwrx web-site has expressed that he could improve his swing speed to 110-115 mph.

As such I have bought his book and lessons, but I did not significantly improve.
As such I think I can play with powerless arms and have proper rotary speed. However, it does not work so well in my case.
Shame...... but I am not the only one.

If you did not improve you were either doing something wrong or not follow it as I suggest.  You need to work on the positions doing practice swings.  If you just hit ball after ball you would be doing your old swing more than the changes you were trying to make.  Each position gives you checkpoints and feedback so you know you are doing them exactly right.  I cannot do the positions better than you.  So if you were doing them your swing would look similar to mine.  If so, you will be hitting it great.

I would go back to it and carefully follow every lesson as I instruct.  I literally have thousands of testimonials from people over the years who are playing the best golf of their lives.  You can too.   Also, why would you not email me if you had an issue?

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:15 PM

You averaged 275 carry at about 2,000’ above sea level.  Average clubhead speed was just under 110.   To call it 320 is more than a little misleading,  at sea level you’d average mid 260s carry.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:32 PM

Just curious, why make a full video with a club fitter...and then not do any actual club fitting and instead make a bunch of excuses (with bullet points) as to why your numbers were low?

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 12:27 AM

 iteachgolf, on 05 February 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

You averaged 275 carry at about 2,000’ above sea level.  Average clubhead speed was just under 110.   To call it 320 is more than a little misleading,  at sea level you’d average mid 260s carry.

Well, he did say "anybody" could hit it as far as him (you just have to swing like him, at least he isn't pushing iron Byron anymore).

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:00 AM

 Krt22, on 05 February 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

Just curious, why make a full video with a club fitter...and then not do any actual club fitting and instead make a bunch of excuses (with bullet points) as to why your numbers were low?
I don't really think his numbers were low as far as what he got out of his shots? His AoA was around neutral or so... so even though his CHS is around 110, 2700 spin is probably around where he'd need to be. Less and his ball flight would be too low. Somebody like me with +4-5 AoA, 2700 spin is way too high, I need to be 1800-2100.
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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:05 AM

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

 Krt22, on 05 February 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

Just curious, why make a full video with a club fitter...and then not do any actual club fitting and instead make a bunch of excuses (with bullet points) as to why your numbers were low?
I don't really think his numbers were low as far as what he got out of his shots? His AoA was around neutral or so... so even though his CHS is around 110, 2700 spin is probably around where he'd need to be. Less and his ball flight would be too low. Somebody like me with +4-5 AoA, 2700 spin is way too high, I need to be 1800-2100.

Up 4-5 is too much and 1800-2100 is too low.  Youíll hit it everywhere.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:15 AM

 MonteScheinblum, on 06 February 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

 Krt22, on 05 February 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

Just curious, why make a full video with a club fitter...and then not do any actual club fitting and instead make a bunch of excuses (with bullet points) as to why your numbers were low?
I don't really think his numbers were low as far as what he got out of his shots? His AoA was around neutral or so... so even though his CHS is around 110, 2700 spin is probably around where he'd need to be. Less and his ball flight would be too low. Somebody like me with +4-5 AoA, 2700 spin is way too high, I need to be 1800-2100.

Up 4-5 is too much and 1800-2100 is too low.  You'll hit it everywhere.
I just had a trackman session and the optimizer gives kind of a wide range, but here's an example of what it output:
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and then a lower AoA
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So with higher AoA, I'm getting more distance 'potential', but not sure how my dispersion is from this data tab.
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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:18 AM

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

 MonteScheinblum, on 06 February 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

 Krt22, on 05 February 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

Just curious, why make a full video with a club fitter...and then not do any actual club fitting and instead make a bunch of excuses (with bullet points) as to why your numbers were low?
I don't really think his numbers were low as far as what he got out of his shots? His AoA was around neutral or so... so even though his CHS is around 110, 2700 spin is probably around where he'd need to be. Less and his ball flight would be too low. Somebody like me with +4-5 AoA, 2700 spin is way too high, I need to be 1800-2100.

Up 4-5 is too much and 1800-2100 is too low.  You'll hit it everywhere.
I just had a trackman session and the optimizer gives kind of a wide range, but here's an example of what it output:
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and then a lower AoA
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So with higher AoA, I'm getting more distance 'potential', but not sure how my dispersion is from this data tab.

I understand optimum distance numbers.

What Iím telling you is if you hit up 5 with 1800 spin, you will miss the golf course without a perfect path, face and center face.  Up 1-2 and mid 2000 will give you best combo of distance and dispersion.  Plus or minus.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:29 AM

There is a diminishing returns principle not discussed enough with these oprtimum numbers.

The more up you hit, the harder it is to match face and path...and the harder to hit the ball in middle, which is way more important factor for distance.  The lower the spin, the farther The ball goes offline when you tilt the axis.

Is it better to work 9 hours and make $90, or 10 hours and make $91.


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:31 AM

Monte - Not saying you're wrong or anything, just the raw data here. Reason my AoA is 4 up is because I play ball off front foot. Reason I play it off front foot is because that's where I've found it easiest to have the ball to allow for square face at impact. If I move it back to help lower launch, results in pushy fades. Resolution to that is (as a lefty) open my stance a touch, aim more right, play a fade. Just not as comfortable doing that, but it's a possibility.

This is one of the things I can hopefully work on during your clinic this summer. Driver has been the bane of my existence lately.

Edited by Z1ggy16, 06 February 2018 - 08:38 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:43 AM

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Monte - Not saying you're wrong or anything, just the raw data here. Reason my AoA is 4 up is because I play ball off front foot. Reason I play it off front foot is because that's where I've found it easiest to have the ball to allow for square face at impact. If I move it back to help lower launch, results in pushy fades. Resolution to that is (as a lefty) open my stance a touch, aim more right, play a fade. Just not as comfortable doing that, but it's a possibility.

This is one of the things I can hopefully work on during your clinic this summer. Driver has been the bane of my existence lately.

The most up AOA resulted in the biggest miss left, 3x as off line as the one that was the most level.  You also hit the ball further with the highest launch but also the highest spin.  You could achieve the same result by adding loft to the driver and not hitting up more.   All you did was increase your dynamic loft.  If you made the bottom swing with a higher lofted driver you’d hit it further and straighter.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:52 AM

 iteachgolf, on 06 February 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Monte - Not saying you're wrong or anything, just the raw data here. Reason my AoA is 4 up is because I play ball off front foot. Reason I play it off front foot is because that's where I've found it easiest to have the ball to allow for square face at impact. If I move it back to help lower launch, results in pushy fades. Resolution to that is (as a lefty) open my stance a touch, aim more right, play a fade. Just not as comfortable doing that, but it's a possibility.

This is one of the things I can hopefully work on during your clinic this summer. Driver has been the bane of my existence lately.

The most up AOA resulted in the biggest miss left, 3x as off line as the one that was the most level.  You also hit the ball further with the highest launch but also the highest spin.  You could achieve the same result by adding loft to the driver and not hitting up more.   All you did was increase your dynamic loft.  If you made the bottom swing with a higher lofted driver you’d hit it further and straighter.
No info on strike location so I can't really comment. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say how AoA and strike location (as in, how AoA influences strike location horizontally or vertically) affect one another. Just by inspection I could assume that the higher my AoA is the more (or less) likely I am to hit it with more variation vertically, but the first strike could have gone off line because of it being slightly out of the heel.
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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:05 AM

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:52 AM, said:

 iteachgolf, on 06 February 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

 Z1ggy16, on 06 February 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Monte - Not saying you're wrong or anything, just the raw data here. Reason my AoA is 4 up is because I play ball off front foot. Reason I play it off front foot is because that's where I've found it easiest to have the ball to allow for square face at impact. If I move it back to help lower launch, results in pushy fades. Resolution to that is (as a lefty) open my stance a touch, aim more right, play a fade. Just not as comfortable doing that, but it's a possibility.

This is one of the things I can hopefully work on during your clinic this summer. Driver has been the bane of my existence lately.

The most up AOA resulted in the biggest miss left, 3x as off line as the one that was the most level.  You also hit the ball further with the highest launch but also the highest spin.  You could achieve the same result by adding loft to the driver and not hitting up more.   All you did was increase your dynamic loft.  If you made the bottom swing with a higher lofted driver youíd hit it further and straighter.
No info on strike location so I can't really comment. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say how AoA and strike location (as in, how AoA influences strike location horizontally or vertically) affect one another. Just by inspection I could assume that the higher my AoA is the more (or less) likely I am to hit it with more variation vertically, but the first strike could have gone off line because of it being slightly out of the heel.
Both of the higher attack angles went way more offline.  And again your lowest spin was actually the most level AOA.  The ball you spun the most went the furthest.  Your dynamic loft increased by more than your AOA increased, so you spin loft went up which is what caused it to go further.

This could be accomplished by increasing driver loft, you increased dynamic loft increasing both launch angle and spin rate.   It wasnít gear affect or the higher launch would have spun less not more.  You need more loft, which you got by hitting more up on it, but you can accomplish the same effect by changing the club rather than swing while also hitting it straighter

It went more offline because the face to path difference increased, not because of gear effect or contact

Edited by iteachgolf, 06 February 2018 - 09:06 AM.


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:08 AM

They are not infallible, but if both Dan and Monte were making similar points to me, I would rethink my position.

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