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#31 IMAway

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 07:46 PM

 Fireballer, on 27 December 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

 IMAway, on 27 December 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

I believe Paul's teaching methods would work wonders for many players.  Not all you studs out there of course... but the average Joe's would benefit.



Just my 2 pennies...

Im not disagreeing that it is one way to hit the golfball, but does your opinion have anything to do with you having the Bodyswing.com logo as your avatar?  Im not asking in a bad way like youre a snake oil salesman, but just curious if your a student?  How did you swing before?  How bas this swing made your better?  What are your swing thoughts?

I will answer the questions as listed above.

1.  No, my opinion has nothing to do with my avatar.  I chose that avatar maybe a year ago or so because I liked the look of it.
2.  I am technically not a student of Paul's, but I did purchase the bodyswing material.   I know it's hard to convey things via the internet... but I'm the furthest thing from a snake oil salesman... just a regular guy who loves golf (I work at the P.O. in Ohio and Paul is in Vegas).  
3.  I have tried several methods of golf trying to find what works for me (Moe Norman inspired types, S & T, and messed around with others)
4.  I too am 51 years old (soon to be 52) and Paul's swing has helped me big time.  I'm nothing special as a player... a 7 to 8 hdcp (which is better than 80% of the regular guys out there).  I regularly carry my drives around 240-245 which means 250-270 depending on the time of year in Ohio.  Summertime as the fairways firm up I can get some out there 270+.
5. My swing thoughts are simple.  My backswing is simply as Paul teaches... turn the shoulders to 90 degrees if possible.  The downswing is initiated by turning the lower body as fast as possible.  I really try to not think of anything with my hands/arms on the downswing.  My next and only thought is to get the arms and club straight after impact.  About 3 feet after impact with a driver and 2 feet with irons.  That's how Paul teaches it.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 07:48 PM

 tyorke1, on 26 December 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

that swing is not producing 3 bills, not enough speed,

Incorrect.  Paul swings it about 115mph.  With the firm turf in Vegas... that will get out it out to 300+.

That's the funny thing about Paul's swing... it looks slow.  Think Els, Couples, etc.  Check out Paul's youtube videos... he shows one that shows his swing speed.
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 07:51 PM

Let me add one more comment (as I see who is reading this thread currently).... this swing obviously will not work for everyone.  Different strokes for different folks for sure.

I also know some "famous" WRX instructors who think that "turning your arms off" is total baloney.  Guess what?  That's fine for HIS method of teaching.  It works for me and I'm sure others.
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 08:18 PM

I've broken 130 on a SSR, and I've seen Monte hit 145 on one. Fastest I've ever swung on Flightscope is 119MPH, and I'm sure Monte will tell you he can't go much higher than 130MPH (Getting old sucks)

So that means about 102-104 for Paul. Seems about right.
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Posted 27 December 2017 - 08:18 PM

 IMAway, on 27 December 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

Let me add one more comment (as I see who is reading this thread currently).... this swing obviously will not work for everyone.  Different strokes for different folks for sure.

I also know some "famous" WRX instructors who think that "turning your arms off" is total baloney.  Guess what?  That's fine for HIS method of teaching.  It works for me and I'm sure others.

The thing about it is, your not really turning your arms off. If youre hitting the ball squarely with a "fast hips" swing thought, your arms are actually quite active. Hence your statement about getting the arms straight after impact.  Its not like a human can all of a sudden have "arms off", and then suddenly straighten them consciously 2-3 feet after impact. You have to straighten trail elbow and get your arm off your chest. You cant really do that with your arms off. Its obvious that a lower body intent works for you. For me its Push/block/slice city.

I think most instructors are against extremes statements like "arms off" because people take them wrong and execute them improperly. Or, if someone has a lower body intent, the claim is always that the lower body is producing all the power for the shot. Just as you said,the "turn the arms off"  thought, or any thought for that matter, can be trash or treasure. Good for you for finding something that works for you.  

And, its very likely that if would have visited one of the "famous" instructors here before discovering Bodyswing.com, they would have said..."man, you need to feel like your turning your hips faster".  They wouldnt give you an armsy intent if that didnt fit you

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 09:29 PM

Firing my lower body hard only works for me if my trail elbow is already in front of my trail hip, otherwise it is stuck and flip or that slow punch elbow.

Fire the lower body is a bad transition thought for me.

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 10:02 PM

 Schnee, on 27 December 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

I've broken 130 on a SSR, and I've seen Monte hit 145 on one. Fastest I've ever swung on Flightscope is 119MPH, and I'm sure Monte will tell you he can't go much higher than 130MPH (Getting old sucks)

So that means about 102-104 for Paul. Seems about right.

True, a SSR does give the occasional funky reading.... but they definitely DO NOT read 10-12mph faster on AVERAGE like you are implying.  I'd say the consensus is 2-4 mph faster than actual.  You claim you've broken 130 on a SSR...I guarantee you don't regularly break 130.  They are pretty accurate.
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 02:11 AM

 IMAway, on 27 December 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

 tyorke1, on 26 December 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

that swing is not producing 3 bills, not enough speed,

Incorrect.  Paul swings it about 115mph.  With the firm turf in Vegas... that will get out it out to 300+.

That's the funny thing about Paul's swing... it looks slow.  Think Els, Couples, etc.  Check out Paul's youtube videos... he shows one that shows his swing speed.
look sir, it's just math, he'd have 170+ ball speed if he had anything 115mph. he'd initially be flying the drives 300 in the air (which BTW would make him just like the kids on Tour). clearly he ain't doing that, and that tee shot he set up was NOT a carry of 275yds.



not knocking him, not even unimpressed by him. but that dude swings around 100mph.
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 04:53 AM

The only problem i see with these videos from Paul Wilson is that he makes it look like you need to do the 'ole' move with the hips, but when he does it and explains a bit better it's the whole body motion. If folk go out and try and recreate this move it'll not end well, both in terms of swing and the lower back, if they watch what Paul does throughout and take away what he is trying to say, then they'll go away and try to get the body rotating faster, with less arms and hands which is a good thing.

As for the arms and hands being loose, this is one of the biggest problems with teaching through youtube, you get some saying don't use the arms/hands, others saying use them as they're the fastest part and so on, it's the most confusing bit when watching stuff online. Again i do think Paul is correct here, tension kills the actual swing, but again it's not put over that great in 5 minute videos, as it looks like he's showing lots of rotation through impact, when the reality is it'll be a lot less with the body rotation added. This is definitely the biggest thing i'm trying to do in my swing, get the arms and hands with less tension, i just need to find a good drill for this!

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 12:25 PM

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 28 December 2017 - 02:11 AM, said:

 IMAway, on 27 December 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

 tyorke1, on 26 December 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

that swing is not producing 3 bills, not enough speed,

Incorrect.  Paul swings it about 115mph.  With the firm turf in Vegas... that will get out it out to 300+.

That's the funny thing about Paul's swing... it looks slow.  Think Els, Couples, etc.  Check out Paul's youtube videos... he shows one that shows his swing speed.
look sir, it's just math, he'd have 170+ ball speed if he had anything 115mph. he'd initially be flying the drives 300 in the air (which BTW would make him just like the kids on Tour). clearly he ain't doing that, and that tee shot he set up was NOT a carry of 275yds.



not knocking him, not even unimpressed by him. but that dude swings around 100mph.

Who on the Tour flies drives 300 yards on the regular?


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 02:18 PM

I don't see that swing as over 100 mph.  I'm not buying it

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:13 PM

 IMAway, on 27 December 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

 Schnee, on 27 December 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

I've broken 130 on a SSR, and I've seen Monte hit 145 on one. Fastest I've ever swung on Flightscope is 119MPH, and I'm sure Monte will tell you he can't go much higher than 130MPH (Getting old sucks)

So that means about 102-104 for Paul. Seems about right.

True, a SSR does give the occasional funky reading.... but they definitely DO NOT read 10-12mph faster on AVERAGE like you are implying.  I'd say the consensus is 2-4 mph faster than actual.  You claim you've broken 130 on a SSR...I guarantee you don't regularly break 130.  They are pretty accurate.

I used to believe that, then I learned I could get the SSR to read at least 20mph fast by flip rolling at impact.  Nothing like seeing a 5i clock in at 110 when it is normally 88-90.
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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:34 PM

 PingEye2, on 28 December 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

I don't see that swing as over 100 mph.  I'm not buying it

I didn’t believe it in the past either but watch some of his YouTube videos where he puts his swing on radar. Kinda hard to deny that

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:48 PM

 vernon, on 27 December 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

 Albatross85, on 27 December 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

 justasgood, on 27 December 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

 Ri_Redneck, on 27 December 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

 justasgood, on 26 December 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

He won't hit 300 below sea level in New Orleans

Mathematically, 1000' elevation change is only good for +/- 5 yds.

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Elevation below sea level and 100%humidity

I've hit 300 yard drives in Arizona and Nashville and average 250 home in New Orleans
Humidity makes the ball go further b/c water vapor is lighter than normal air. Dry air doesn't = distance, do some research.
Yup.  Ask any pilot.

Iím not a pilot. I took one semester of aerospace engineering. Humid air gives airplanes the potential to go further/faster, but it decreases ability to create lift with the wings. The engines have to work harder to generate The lift they could produce in dry air to get the plane in the air. (Also the humid air is no friend to engine performance so itís a double whammy).

Spin and Dimple pattern are essentially the golf balls wings. We canít change the dimple pattern. Assuming youíre a golfwrx golfer and already swinging 110%, we canít generate any more spin. So Couldnít the loss of lift caused by humidity lead to at least a shorter carry distance?

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:50 PM

 Swisstrader98, on 28 December 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

 PingEye2, on 28 December 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

I don't see that swing as over 100 mph.  I'm not buying it

I didnít believe it in the past either but watch some of his YouTube videos where he puts his swing on radar. Kinda hard to deny that

Have a link? Only ones Iíve seen are on Swing Speed Radar (which reads high) not trackman or flightscope

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 04:05 AM

 northgolf, on 28 December 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

 IMAway, on 27 December 2017 - 10:02 PM, said:

 Schnee, on 27 December 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

I've broken 130 on a SSR, and I've seen Monte hit 145 on one. Fastest I've ever swung on Flightscope is 119MPH, and I'm sure Monte will tell you he can't go much higher than 130MPH (Getting old sucks)

So that means about 102-104 for Paul. Seems about right.

True, a SSR does give the occasional funky reading.... but they definitely DO NOT read 10-12mph faster on AVERAGE like you are implying.  I'd say the consensus is 2-4 mph faster than actual.  You claim you've broken 130 on a SSR...I guarantee you don't regularly break 130.  They are pretty accurate.

I used to believe that, then I learned I could get the SSR to read at least 20mph fast by flip rolling at impact.  Nothing like seeing a 5i clock in at 110 when it is normally 88-90.

If you try and cheat it you can get some daft numbers with flipping, or using a whippier club/stick, but i've always found doing normal shots it reads not too badly.

I remember seeing a video of the SSR being tested, which showed it wasn't too bad compared to flightscope.

https://www.youtube....h?v=QwWVbBV1MLs

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:53 AM

Interesting video.  Clay was actually getting higher speed numbers on the Flightscope compared to the SSR.  That doesnít bode well for all the naysayers 😀
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Posted 29 December 2017 - 11:40 AM

 dukeman, on 28 December 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

 vernon, on 27 December 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

 Albatross85, on 27 December 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

 justasgood, on 27 December 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

Elevation below sea level and 100%humidity

I've hit 300 yard drives in Arizona and Nashville and average 250 home in New Orleans
Humidity makes the ball go further b/c water vapor is lighter than normal air. Dry air doesn't = distance, do some research.
Yup.  Ask any pilot.

I'm not a pilot. I took one semester of aerospace engineering. Humid air gives airplanes the potential to go further/faster, but it decreases ability to create lift with the wings. The engines have to work harder to generate The lift they could produce in dry air to get the plane in the air. (Also the humid air is no friend to engine performance so it's a double whammy).

Spin and Dimple pattern are essentially the golf balls wings. We can't change the dimple pattern. Assuming you're a golfwrx golfer and already swinging 110%, we can't generate any more spin. So Couldn't the loss of lift caused by humidity lead to at least a shorter carry distance?

Just asking.

IIRC, lift comes from air resistance, dry air is denser than humid air, which will increase the amount of lift and accentuate the affects of spin with a golf ball. Humid air could actually help high spin players get more distance by keeping their shots from ballooning. I believe it all depends on how much you spin the ball as to whether it helps or not. I don't really see much difference and I play in everything from nose-bleed dry to damp-hair humid. However, if there are actual droplets in the air (mist), it will cost you distance for sure. The ball collides with the droplets and moisture accumulates on the surface of the ball, increasing drag.

BTW, I've been toying with an SSR (borrowed from a buddy) and haven't see any unusually high readings (quite consistent actually). However, I have very little head rotation through the ball. Perhaps that's why.

EDIT: Playing at Furnace Creek in two weeks (hope the greens are in good shape). Have to see how far I can drive it there!

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 01:03 PM

 Schnee, on 28 December 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

 Swisstrader98, on 28 December 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

 PingEye2, on 28 December 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

I don't see that swing as over 100 mph.  I'm not buying it

I didn't believe it in the past either but watch some of his YouTube videos where he puts his swing on radar. Kinda hard to deny that

Have a link? Only ones I've seen are on Swing Speed Radar (which reads high) not trackman or flightscope

https://www.youtube....h?v=bfC1s7vWnBA

In this video, he uses a Swing Caddie which clocked Paul's driver speed at 110 mph.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:38 PM

Humidity has a very negligible effect on distance, 100% - 0% might make a 1% difference. Altitude and temperature have a much greater effect... try experimenting with a density altitude calculator


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:11 AM

Ive seen Paul hit drives in person at Bears Best Las Vegas. Dude smokes the driver. He is legit.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:28 AM

Heís definitely legit.  For some strange reason, lots of haters on this site.  Sad actually.

My favorite is the guy who commented something to the effect ďthis guy swings around 100 mph.Ē  As if his naked eye watching a video can tell the difference between 100 and 110.  Classic.

Watch Els or Couples swing in their prime and then watch another average PGA Tour Proís swing.  Youíd swear Els or Couples are 5-10 mph slower.   But they arenít.  Same exact concept happening here.
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Posted 30 December 2017 - 06:37 PM

 IMAway, on 30 December 2017 - 10:28 AM, said:

He's definitely legit.  For some strange reason, lots of haters on this site.  Sad actually.

My favorite is the guy who commented something to the effect "this guy swings around 100 mph."  As if his naked eye watching a video can tell the difference between 100 and 110.  Classic.

Watch Els or Couples swing in their prime and then watch another average PGA Tour Pro's swing.  You'd swear Els or Couples are 5-10 mph slower.   But they aren't.  Same exact concept happening here.

If you want to make your point, put up a side by side video of Wilson and Els.
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Posted 30 December 2017 - 09:36 PM

"swings like that at 51"?  51, really?  That's no kind of debilitating age at all.  I have no dog in the fight, but if you see Ernie or Freddie in person, there is serious speed.  More than shows on tv.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:15 PM

Most of korean lpga players have rolling wrist swing like Paul and that is the how they get serious swing speed than look like.Imo this is the easiest swing for most of average joe.Rolling wrist is nothing to do with consistency.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:19 PM

Most of korean lpga players have rolling wrist swing like Paul and that is the how they get serious swing speed than look like.Imo this is the easiest swing for most of average joe.Rolling wrist is nothing to do with consistency.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 10:56 PM

Paul's two tips:

1) swing easy with loose hands
2) turn your hips fast

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:06 PM

 farmer, on 30 December 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

"swings like that at 51"?  51, really?  That's no kind of debilitating age at all.  I have no dog in the fight, but if you see Ernie or Freddie in person, there is serious speed.  More than shows on tv.
Not sure if the radar is cooked or not, but he (paul wilson) has seen to been able to swing 115. That's PGA tour speed.
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Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:38 PM

I think we need to see a match between Wilson and Devore really settle the issues of this thread.
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Posted 31 December 2017 - 12:08 PM

Devore could probably throw a club 275-280 carry.  The potential is definitely there.


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