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#1 kgeorge78

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:44 PM

taking a few lessons... will update swing shortly

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 02:56 PM

Just remember that this things are results of something else happening earlier in your swing. It is probably going to take a bit to fix but it is doable with time and dedication.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 03:03 PM

Google it, lots of suggestions

You need wider going back and downswing thoughts of rotating right shoulder and releasing your angles

See monte's no turn cast drill
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Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:35 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 10 December 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

Google it, lots of suggestions

You need wider going back and downswing thoughts of rotating right shoulder and releasing your angles

See monte's no turn cast drill


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 07:21 PM

no, you don't need the no turn cast drill.  Problem is that you don't turn now... why exaggerate it?  

Your problem is that you cast from the top... why?  because you don't sequence your downswing from the bottom up.  Your lower body/hips are not powering your swing, not getting open.  Your movement is more all arms down to impact.  Your body turn stalls and your arms have nowhere to go...so they chicken wing up.  

You need to look into drill that help you with sequencing transition and downswing....getting more rotation with the hips, then upper body, etc...

similar to this...
https://www.youtube....h?v=OchUl17mSZM

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 07:31 PM

With apologies to the OP, and this just needs to be said...breaded wings with blue cheese dipping sauce is just solid.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

View Postbogeypro, on 10 December 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

no, you don't need the no turn cast drill.  Problem is that you don't turn now... why exaggerate it?  

Your problem is that you cast from the top... why?  because you don't sequence your downswing from the bottom up.  Your lower body/hips are not powering your swing, not getting open.  Your movement is more all arms down to impact.  Your body turn stalls and your arms have nowhere to go...so they chicken wing up.  

You need to look into drill that help you with sequencing transition and downswing....getting more rotation with the hips, then upper body, etc...

similar to this...
https://www.youtube....h?v=OchUl17mSZM

You don't think that no turn cast drill helps with excess lateral movement, and why not try and synch up his arms with the rest?  And maybe get his right shoulder more out and around at the same time?

Have a feeling he tries to do what Piers and Andy are saying (and not saying they are wrong, but mostly an explanation and you are just telling him "do that") and that right shoulder will dropping more than before.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 08:12 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 December 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

View Postbogeypro, on 10 December 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

no, you don't need the no turn cast drill.  Problem is that you don't turn now... why exaggerate it?  

Your problem is that you cast from the top... why?  because you don't sequence your downswing from the bottom up.  Your lower body/hips are not powering your swing, not getting open.  Your movement is more all arms down to impact.  Your body turn stalls and your arms have nowhere to go...so they chicken wing up.  

You need to look into drill that help you with sequencing transition and downswing....getting more rotation with the hips, then upper body, etc...

similar to this...
https://www.youtube....h?v=OchUl17mSZM

You don't think that no turn cast drill helps with excess lateral movement, and why not try and synch up his arms with the rest?  And maybe get his right shoulder more out and around at the same time?

Have a feeling he tries to do what Piers and Andy are saying (and not saying they are wrong, but mostly an explanation and you are just telling him "do that") and that right shoulder will dropping more than before.

have heard this before - can you explain exactly what that means? Get the right should out which way and when?
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Posted 10 December 2017 - 08:26 PM

View Postkgeorge78, on 10 December 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 December 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

View Postbogeypro, on 10 December 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

no, you don't need the no turn cast drill.  Problem is that you don't turn now... why exaggerate it?  

Your problem is that you cast from the top... why?  because you don't sequence your downswing from the bottom up.  Your lower body/hips are not powering your swing, not getting open.  Your movement is more all arms down to impact.  Your body turn stalls and your arms have nowhere to go...so they chicken wing up.  

You need to look into drill that help you with sequencing transition and downswing....getting more rotation with the hips, then upper body, etc...

similar to this...
https://www.youtube....h?v=OchUl17mSZM

You don't think that no turn cast drill helps with excess lateral movement, and why not try and synch up his arms with the rest?  And maybe get his right shoulder more out and around at the same time?

Have a feeling he tries to do what Piers and Andy are saying (and not saying they are wrong, but mostly an explanation and you are just telling him "do that") and that right shoulder will dropping more than before.

have heard this before - can you explain exactly what that means? Get the right should out which way and when?

My response was more to my opinion the no turn cast drill can help you synch up, contrary to what was posted, and help with excess lateral movement as well.  The right shoulder part, do some searching for Monte and humerus forward and I think you'll see an explanation from the source, so to speak, and see if that is making sense and hopefully he'll pop in and have some advice for you that is specific to your swing.

Here's a good thread about synching things up that may be worth a look, certainly a lot more in there than the Me and My Golf thing.

http://www.golfwrx.c...-pivot-in-sync/

Edited by Hawkeye77, 10 December 2017 - 08:29 PM.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 10:16 PM

Too much hip and left knee slide.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:13 AM

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 December 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

View Postbogeypro, on 10 December 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

no, you don't need the no turn cast drill.  Problem is that you don't turn now... why exaggerate it?  

Your problem is that you cast from the top... why?  because you don't sequence your downswing from the bottom up.  Your lower body/hips are not powering your swing, not getting open.  Your movement is more all arms down to impact.  Your body turn stalls and your arms have nowhere to go...so they chicken wing up.  

You need to look into drill that help you with sequencing transition and downswing....getting more rotation with the hips, then upper body, etc...

similar to this...
https://www.youtube....h?v=OchUl17mSZM

You don't think that no turn cast drill helps with excess lateral movement, and why not try and synch up his arms with the rest?  And maybe get his right shoulder more out and around at the same time?

Have a feeling he tries to do what Piers and Andy are saying (and not saying they are wrong, but mostly an explanation and you are just telling him "do that") and that right shoulder will dropping more than before.

Its a great drill, I just don't think it applies here.

He doesn't seem to have arm overrun in the backswing, they appear to be synced up in the backswing.  He isn't firing his hips and leaving his arms behind and his arms aren't trailing.  He is not pulling on the handle trying to maintain lag.  Maybe Monte can provide clarification, but it would seem to me this particular swing doesn't have the issues that the no turn cast drill are trying to correct.    

His backswing isn't too bad...its playable.  His downswing is powered by his right arm in more of clubbing fashion.  I'm thinking that he needs to get more hips and body turn involved in powering his swing...lower body pulling his upper body.  His upper body (right arm specifically) is currently over powering his lower body... helping to result in the chicken wing.
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Posted 11 December 2017 - 01:48 PM

View Postbogeypro, on 11 December 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 December 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

View Postbogeypro, on 10 December 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

no, you don't need the no turn cast drill.  Problem is that you don't turn now... why exaggerate it?  

Your problem is that you cast from the top... why?  because you don't sequence your downswing from the bottom up.  Your lower body/hips are not powering your swing, not getting open.  Your movement is more all arms down to impact.  Your body turn stalls and your arms have nowhere to go...so they chicken wing up.  

You need to look into drill that help you with sequencing transition and downswing....getting more rotation with the hips, then upper body, etc...

similar to this...
https://www.youtube....h?v=OchUl17mSZM

You don't think that no turn cast drill helps with excess lateral movement, and why not try and synch up his arms with the rest?  And maybe get his right shoulder more out and around at the same time?

Have a feeling he tries to do what Piers and Andy are saying (and not saying they are wrong, but mostly an explanation and you are just telling him "do that") and that right shoulder will dropping more than before.

Its a great drill, I just don't think it applies here.

He doesn't seem to have arm overrun in the backswing, they appear to be synced up in the backswing.  He isn't firing his hips and leaving his arms behind and his arms aren't trailing.  He is not pulling on the handle trying to maintain lag.  Maybe Monte can provide clarification, but it would seem to me this particular swing doesn't have the issues that the no turn cast drill are trying to correct.

His backswing isn't too bad...its playable.  His downswing is powered by his right arm in more of clubbing fashion.  I'm thinking that he needs to get more hips and body turn involved in powering his swing...lower body pulling his upper body.  His upper body (right arm specifically) is currently over powering his lower body... helping to result in the chicken wing.

+1, to me it looks like this swing is being completely dominated by the right arm. I'd start by checking how you're gripping the club in the right hand, it looks to be too strong / too much in the palm.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 10:41 PM

not bad...

Get the arms and body more in sync and the turn should happen a bit more naturally will help extend down the line..

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 08:59 AM


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 10:24 AM

Without looking I am willing to bet that is a Clement video. Am I right?


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 10:36 AM

View Postbuckeyefl, on 19 December 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

Without looking I am willing to bet that is a Clement video. Am I right?

Yes! The video explains why he has a chicken wing and a little drill to help.  It's all about intent.  Since you seem to like his videos, here's another one.


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 09:38 PM

Your mancrush is disturbing, to say the least.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 11:17 PM

View Postbuckeyefl, on 19 December 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:

Your mancrush is disturbing, to say the least.
Ok??? Thanks for helping the OP with these post.

Edited by spoonek9, 19 December 2017 - 11:18 PM.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 05:19 AM

And you think you do with your constant links to an instructor who already posts here? Try having one original thought instead of just regurgitating Clements oddball lines or even worse simply posting his videos which is what you do 95% of the time. Even better dont because all you would be doing is adding to the confusion as you try to repeat what your hero tried to say in an 8 minute video that would take a good instructor a few sentences.That was my point that went over your head Shawn. People already know how to search youtube.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:43 AM

You're right, my apologies for trying to help someone who may not know Shawn or his teachings.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 08:09 AM

Apology accepted. Now just remember in the future the favor you are doing golfers by not exposing them.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 08:39 AM

You have a large upper body in relation  to your lower half.  I would recommend the following.

- go full tilt into stretching routines

- shallow and widen your backswing

- work on having more turn and less hip slide on the downswing

- get the feeling of being less "hands and arms dependent"

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 09:38 AM

View Postrgk5, on 20 December 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

You have a large upper body in relation  to your lower half.  I would recommend the following.

- go full tilt into stretching routines

- shallow and widen your backswing

- work on having more turn and less hip slide on the downswing

- get the feeling of being less "hands and arms dependent"

that's the plan this winter.  Its so hard not to slide even when I think I'm not....
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 12:59 PM

View Postkgeorge78, on 20 December 2017 - 09:38 AM, said:

View Postrgk5, on 20 December 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

You have a large upper body in relation  to your lower half.  I would recommend the following.

- go full tilt into stretching routines

- shallow and widen your backswing

- work on having more turn and less hip slide on the downswing

- get the feeling of being less "hands and arms dependent"

that's the plan this winter.  Its so hard not to slide even when I think I'm not....

I'm working on the slide issue as well.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:31 PM

Would help with "wing" thing and lead wrist breakdown at impact if OP looks into proper role of fore arm rotations throughout. It's nuanced stuff but real important to get right or at least be aware of.Video shows very little rotation at work in either.


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Posted 20 December 2017 - 10:52 PM

Dude, trust me .. focus on a turn thru the shot like rgk says ... not the slide and hang on for dear life ... I've been there and overcome
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 02:11 AM

Has anyone with this problem of not turning enough tried an exaggeration drill of sorts hitting the ball left? I have a similar problem due to a bad back. On the range one day I came to the conclusion that for some reason I feared pulling the ball or hitting a big hook which I rarely do. I decided to try to miss left on purpose and low and behold, I turned, got my hips through and was hitting the ball solid and straight. I had to really over exaggerate to actually miss left. There was the occasional over draw but mostly solid on target shots. It has helped quite a bit with my irons specifically and also helps remove the big block with driver. It's more of a feel/intent for me but it works.
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Posted 21 December 2017 - 02:28 AM

So many suggestions yet no good camera angles to properly diagnose. Good luck with what's been given but I would post Dtl and a face on parallel to stance line. Dtl through stance line and then you could get proper diagnosis.

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 02:13 PM

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