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Titleist golf ball study; Finally, some facts added to the debate


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#451 Uhit

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:19 PM

View Posttnord, on 02 January 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

you are absolutely correct that some could gain distance by reducing spin, but i do not believe that to be the case for the majority.  i could be wrong.

sidespin != backspin

backspin actually makes the ball go straighter.

do people with under a 10hdcp not get to enjoy the game of golf too? or is it only for people that can't break 90?

A lot of amateurs don't de-loft the club at impact, or they even scoop through impact - both is adding spin.

A spinny ball, doesn't know if the player wanted pure backspin with a perfect vertical spin axis, or also side spin, because of a tilted spin axis.

Guess what, a amateur has bigger problems to control the spin axis, than a pro...
...thus the amateur will get more punished by a more spinning ball, than the pro.

btw

there are low handicappers, who hit it short, and high handicappers who hit it a long way...

...because the short game is also important.

Edited by Uhit, 02 January 2018 - 02:20 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:22 PM

i concede your point regarding spin axis, but not that "scooping" adds spin.

can we all think about shots beyond just the driver?
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 07:16 PM

View Posttnord, on 02 January 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

i concede your point regarding spin axis, but not that "scooping" adds spin.

can we all think about shots beyond just the driver?

Maybe it is not the appropriate word for that strike technique...

...but if you let the club head overtake your hands through impact, and let the club head slide through the ball position, you are adding a lot of loft, which is adding spin.

If you have ever played with a 64 degree wedge, you know, that you can literally slide through and under the ball, with next to no forward moving of the ball - similar to a flop shot.

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 11:16 PM

Something struck me as odd the other day that reminded me of this thread. There has been so much posted about how  courses “have to” lengthen holes because the modern players hit it too far. And yet baseball celebrates with awe how far guys like Judge and Stanton hit the ball and how many home runs they hit.

I have not seen any reports of stadiums thinking they “must” move back the fences to stop this onslaught. Now that they are on the same team maybe some team will just move back the fences when the Yankees are in town?
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:00 AM

Kudos to Titleist on making a biased powerpoint. So basically, all thats changed is the golfer's fitness level and therefore we should not allow people to workout anymore and ban protein from professional player diets.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:04 AM

View PostShilgy, on 07 January 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

Something struck me as odd the other day that reminded me of this thread. There has been so much posted about how  courses “have to” lengthen holes because the modern players hit it too far. And yet baseball celebrates with awe how far guys like Judge and Stanton hit the ball and how many home runs they hit.

I have not seen any reports of stadiums thinking they “must” move back the fences to stop this onslaught. Now that they are on the same team maybe some team will just move back the fences when the Yankees are in town?

You're right, they dont move fences, they just make sure they cant use metal bats at professional level. Same thing as limiting golf equipment...
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:50 AM

View PostShilgy, on 07 January 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

Something struck me as odd the other day that reminded me of this thread. There has been so much posted about how  courses “have to” lengthen holes because the modern players hit it too far. And yet baseball celebrates with awe how far guys like Judge and Stanton hit the ball and how many home runs they hit.

I have not seen any reports of stadiums thinking they “must” move back the fences to stop this onslaught. Now that they are on the same team maybe some team will just move back the fences when the Yankees are in town?

A number of fields have actually moved their fences in to increase HR's for the home team.  Baseball field dimensions are based on the type of baseball the home team hopes to play.  Citi Field was built as a pitchers field initially, but the lack of HR's made winning and attracting power hitters difficult so they moved in the fences.  Back in the day, the Yankees built their stadium with a short right field fence for Babe Ruth.  

The Sentry course was set up for long hitters.  DJ hit a drive 430 yards but at least 80 yards was rollout down the hill.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:55 AM

View Postgoph3r, on 08 January 2018 - 12:04 AM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 07 January 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

Something struck me as odd the other day that reminded me of this thread. There has been so much posted about how  courses "have to" lengthen holes because the modern players hit it too far. And yet baseball celebrates with awe how far guys like Judge and Stanton hit the ball and how many home runs they hit.

I have not seen any reports of stadiums thinking they "must" move back the fences to stop this onslaught. Now that they are on the same team maybe some team will just move back the fences when the Yankees are in town?

You're right, they dont move fences, they just make sure they cant use metal bats at professional level. Same thing as limiting golf equipment...
They are hitting the ball 450+ feet with wood. Longer than ever before on a consistent basis.  So the metal bat example is invalid.  The metal bat ban  is more of a safety issue for pitchers and infielders.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:56 AM

View Postgoph3r, on 08 January 2018 - 12:00 AM, said:

Kudos to Titleist on making a biased powerpoint. So basically, all thats changed is the golfer's fitness level and therefore we should not allow people to workout anymore and ban protein from professional player diets.

Strange post.  Did you read the report?   They showed how several other factors have changed.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:59 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 08 January 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

View Postgoph3r, on 08 January 2018 - 12:00 AM, said:

Kudos to Titleist on making a biased powerpoint. So basically, all thats changed is the golfer's fitness level and therefore we should not allow people to workout anymore and ban protein from professional player diets.

Strange post.  Did you read the report?   They showed how several other factors have changed.

Yep. Made sure to read it before posting anything. There arent very many factors. Golfer, club, ball, course. Course lengthening meant a race for more distance and that has been acheived and now everyone complains that the "driver" and "ball" are too long which is hogwash to limit the argument to just the driver when those same long drivers can use a 2 iron to hit 250yd+ shots. Jamie sadlowski may be an exception but he drives a 2 iron further than most tour player's can drive. So scaling back tour woods really isnt an option. Elite fitness is only going to get better. Making courses longer isn't an option, although they could redesign course hazards differently to make it more difficult to do the bomb it and recover strategy as well as they could tighten the out of bounds borders as a deterent from bombing it. Then theres the ball.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:33 AM

The only thing missing from this Titleist rant is for it to be presented by Michael Breed!
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:00 AM

Everyone should read "How to Lie with Statistics" at least once in their lives.

Honestly, if he wanted to say the ball isn't the problem, he could do an Iron Byron test between old and new. I'm sure there is a reason he didn't.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:20 AM

Can someone point me to the video where Mark Crossfield pulls apart this data?  I need him to tell me to be critical of some of these ambit claims, otherwise I just might believe everything I’m being told by Titleist.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:55 AM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 12 January 2018 - 01:00 AM, said:

Everyone should read "How to Lie with Statistics" at least once in their lives.

Honestly, if he wanted to say the ball isn't the problem, he could do an Iron Byron test between old and new. I'm sure there is a reason he didn't.

You mean the correlation between the declining amount of public phone cells, and the increase of the average live expectancy within the last 20 years?

Yes, (meanwhile) I guess, that Davis may address this issue...

Edited by Uhit, 12 January 2018 - 01:56 AM.


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