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#1 Tnew23

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:37 PM

I played the mp-32's and mp-33's for a couple months in s300 shafts and loved the soft feel off the face. I always thought mizuno was one of the softest forged clubs. But recently I bought a set of Bridgestone J38 cavity backs in rifle 6.0 flighted shafts and holy cow these things blow the mizunos out of the water! It feels like I'm hitting marshmallow! Could it be due to the difference in shafts? Because I bought a set of j15df irons made by Bridgestone in x100 shafts and they feel completely different that the j38's. I'm going to sell the j15df's because of the difference in feel and they're 1 inch longer than standard but just curious for future reference do shafts play that big of a role in feel?

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:42 PM

I would say there is a very good chance that it is the Rifle shaft.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:07 PM

It's a shame the Rifle cfm shaft is not made anymore.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:14 PM

So the millions (and millions) of mizuno zealots are wrong? There is softer than “butter”? What if you put those shafts  in mizuno heads? Let the superlatives fly!!!  ;-)
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:26 PM

The shaft will make a difference on how the clubhead feels; however, Bridgestone does make some soft feeling clubs.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:34 PM

View Postgbartko, on 07 December 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

So the millions (and millions) of mizuno zealots are wrong? There is softer than “butter”? What if you put those shafts  in mizuno heads? Let the superlatives fly!!!  ;-)
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge mizuno fan and I'm seriously considering reshafting my mp-33's to test this theory but for the price of reshafting and buying the shafts, I'm better off buying a set of 33's with different shafts already in them.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:36 PM

View Postgbartko, on 07 December 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

So the millions (and millions) of mizuno zealots are wrong? There is softer than "butter"? What if you put those shafts  in mizuno heads? Let the superlatives fly!!!  ;-)

The logical conclusion is that, if those shafts were inserted into Mizuno heads, one would feel nothing at all at impact.  The closest I ever got to that feeling was flushing a KZG forged blade PW; almost as if the ball wasn't even there.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:17 PM

I don't think its the shafts.  I tested the MP18 SC quite a bit when it first came out but ended up buying the Bridgestone TourB X-CB.  My first set of Bridgestones, all I could think when I started using them was how soft they felt, definitely more so than the Mizuno.  Hit both with the Modus 105.  I'd heard similar comments about soft feel about most of the forged Bridgestone blades and CBs, was somewhat sceptical - not any more.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:20 PM

Were the Bridgestones Endo forged?
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:22 PM

View Postian-500, on 07 December 2017 - 03:20 PM, said:

Were the Bridgestones Endo forged?

The TourB's are Endo forged.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:30 PM

Ive owned them, they do feel great. I loved the feel of the j40 cb too, raw, with nippons, oh my....
However, they both fail in comparison to mp 14s..mp 14s are, imo, the best feeling club ive hit

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:42 PM

View PostSir edward of putternut, on 07 December 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Ive owned them, they do feel great. I loved the feel of the j40 cb too, raw, with nippons, oh my....
However, they both fail in comparison to mp 14s..mp 14s are, imo, the best feeling club ive hit
Have you hit any other mizunos? How do the 14s compare in feel to the mp-33 or 32's?
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:49 PM

I am in the minority I guess in that I don't care if an iron feels soft. I don't want the marshmallow feeling, but I don't want it to be harsh either. I prefer a solid feel, like I really compressed fhe ball and smashed it hard. Clicky does not even bother me. It is one of the reasons I like PX shafts. They feel so solid to me at impact.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:00 PM

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So the millions (and millions) of mizuno zealots are wrong? There is softer than "butter"? What if you put those shafts  in mizuno heads? Let the superlatives fly!!!  ;-)

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:17 PM

View PostBigHook25, on 07 December 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

The shaft will make a difference on how the clubhead feels; however, Bridgestone does make some soft feeling clubs.

Quoting this because it is often ignored here. The shaft can make a HUGE difference in how clubs feel


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:21 PM

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I am in the minority I guess in that I don't care if an iron feels soft. I don't want the marshmallow feeling, but I don't want it to be harsh either. I prefer a solid feel, like I really compressed fhe ball and smashed it hard. Clicky does not even bother me. It is one of the reasons I like PX shafts. They feel so solid to me at impact.
There are a lot of people who dislike the soft feel it's not for everyone and a personal preference. I really enjoy a soft feeling Club but wouldn't hesitate to hit clubs with a more solid feel if I got better results with them. All things equal though I'd take the soft feel over firmer clicker personally
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:51 PM

Any of those forged CB sets from Mizuno, Bridgestone, or Srixon offer great feel. My current gamers are old Bridgestone J36PC sticks. It offers a good amount of workability and forgiveness. My backup set is even an older set, Mizuno MP30, but I find it to launch lower than the J36PC. Important thing though are the shafts. I find KBS Tours to work very well with either set.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:35 PM

View PostTnew23, on 07 December 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

I played the mp-32's and mp-33's for a couple months in s300 shafts and loved the soft feel off the face. I always thought mizuno was one of the softest forged clubs. But recently I bought a set of Bridgestone J38 cavity backs in rifle 6.0 flighted shafts and holy cow these things blow the mizunos out of the water! It feels like I'm hitting marshmallow! Could it be due to the difference in shafts? Because I bought a set of j15df irons made by Bridgestone in x100 shafts and they feel completely different that the j38's. I'm going to sell the j15df's because of the difference in feel and they're 1 inch longer than standard but just curious for future reference do shafts play that big of a role in feel?

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 01:43 AM

The softest irons ive hit in a while are the cobra forged blades.. but personally i like my irons to feel more firm and dense, not hard and clicky, just firm, the new mp-18s feel like that to me, except the mmc's, I think they feel softer.  I do remember the 33's feeling really soft but thats a long time ago..
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 04:48 AM

I think an unpopular opinion is also what grip have on your clubs. A standard tour velvet plays far softer than say, the gp cord grip. I tried a couple cord grips for a certain time and wondered why my clubs felt a lot firmer. Then I realized it could be the grips. I switched back to my usuals and voila, feel was back to normal.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 08:48 AM

Shaft will definitely contribute but I will agree with you, Bridgestone (among others) > Mizuno.  The MP32s were nice, but other than that I have never been impressed.
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:02 AM

It's largely the shaft, RP Rifles make any club smoother but the mythology that Mizzies are "oh so much softer" is a part of it too. Lots of soft blades, trouble is OEM's do not hit out of park with every offering.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 10:55 AM

I think the construction of the head makes a difference, and so does the forging. I reshafted several forged irons with Nippon 950GH Reg. shafts so I was able to compare the feel. I'd place Bridgestone first, then Mizuno and Srixon depending on what iron. I love the feel of my J36PC heads. However, the feel from a set of Ping S58s was very close indeed, and a lot better than Mizunos like MX20, 23, 25 which I didn't like at all. A cast head with the right construction and damping can feel really good - certainly the case with the Ping S series as a whole. I also liked the JPX800 Pro irons with their internal damping. Liked that set a lot and miles better than those MX20s.

It isn't just the shaft - it's the head as well, both forging and construction and damping/no damping.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:20 AM

PMCUK  Great timing and comments!!  
I had the S58 irons around 3 or more years ago and went back to Bridgestone J33CB,
a renowned favourite and they were far softer, To Me !
J33 were very smooth DGS200 and S58 were Ping Shaft, around 110 grams
I had used J36 DPC before these two and didnt fall in love there.
Bought a part set of MP33 feb this year and the 8 iron is magic.
I also had some old Royal Precision Rifles in them and that was a great feeling set
but the shafts were too lite, i think under 110 grams.
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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:26 AM

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So the millions (and millions) of mizuno zealots are wrong? There is softer than “butter”? What if you put those shafts  in mizuno heads? Let the superlatives fly!!!  ;-)

Hit a raw Vega ( or any raw Kyoei forged iron ) and get back to me.  Mizuno has never been the softest.  Soft yes. But not softest.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:32 AM

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:35 AM

Most every Forged club has good feel, thats one reason
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Posted 09 December 2017 - 05:45 AM

View PostRogerinNewZealand, on 08 December 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

So im back to Hogan Apex Plus CB with Apex 3, quite smooth and ok Soft.
I would classify the MP33 8 Iron as Best Feel Ever ,ps this was the Heavy Heads Set 8i 274 grams

Wasn't the Apex shaft made by RP?  Had the Apex 3 in a set of Hogan Edge Pro's which is still one of my all time favourites.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 07:07 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 08 December 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

View Postgbartko, on 07 December 2017 - 01:14 PM, said:

So the millions (and millions) of mizuno zealots are wrong? There is softer than “butter”? What if you put those shafts  in mizuno heads? Let the superlatives fly!!!  ;-)

Hit a raw Vega ( or any raw Kyoei forged iron ) and get back to me.  Mizuno has never been the softest.  Soft yes. But not softest.

I’ll take your word for it :-) I was more or less poking fun at the over-the-top mizuno elitists (of which I am not) that bang the mizuno drum ad nauseum.
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Tour Edge Exotics CB4 Tour 16.5° (UST ProForce V2 75 S)
Ping Rapture Driving Iron 18° [Blue Dot] (N.S. Pro 950GH S)
Callaway x2Hot Pro 20° (KBS Hybrid S)
Callaway x2Hot Pro 23° (Aldila Tour Green Hybrid S)

Set #1
Ping i e1 4-9 [Black Dot] (N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour 120 S)
Ping i e1 PW-UW [Orange Dot] (N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour 120 S)
Ping Glide 54.5° ES / 60° ES [Orange Dot] (N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour 125 Wedge)

Set #2
Ping s55 4-PW [Black Dot] (Project X 6.0)
Ping Glide 52° SS / 58° SS [Black Dot] (N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour 130 S)

PUTTER
Ping Cadence TR Ketsch Heavy [Adjustable] (PP62, 32")
Ping Scottsdale Pickemup (PP62, 35")

BALLS
Bridgestone Tour B330 / Callaway Chrome Soft

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 09:02 AM

I think there are a few variables that come into play in addition to the clubhead:  shaft, grip, ball and temperature.  Maybe even elevation ;-)


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