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Switching from PSI to AP3.

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#1 ChMtz

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:56 PM

I am a serious golfer.

This is my experience.


August 2016.

My handicap index was 7.8.

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 7.9 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 48%.

Went to a fitting in a Dick´s Sporting Goods.

PSI Irons suggested.

Standard Length and Lie.

KBS Tour C-Taper 105 Stiff Shafts.

Bought them.

Played with them for a year. (Approximately 90 rounds)

My average GIR per round improved from 7.9 to 8.4.

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 48% to 55%.

These are the distances i hitted each iron.

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 155
PW - 145
AW - 130.

October 2017.

My handicap index was 5.4

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 8.4 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 55%.

Decided to buy the Titleist AP3 irons.

Went for a fitting with my local Titleist Dealer.

He suggested to alter club length +1" and modify lie angle 1 degree upright.

True Temper AMT Black S300 Shafts.

I decided to change the grips since my hands literally hurt with the Golf Pride Tour Velvet White Grips they came with.

Those stock grips SUCK!

After 18 rounds with these irons my average GIR per round substantially improved from 8.4 to 10.2

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 55% to 60%.

My handicap index went from 5.4 to 3.8

I love these new irons.


Distance.

I hit these irons almost the exact same distance i used to hit my old PSI.

Except 9, PW & AW (Hit AP3´s 5 yds longer)

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 160
PW - 150
AW - 135.

Feel.

I like a lot more the feel of the AP3´s compared to the PSI.


Forgiveness.

I think both irons forgiveness is very similar.


Dispersion.

I definitely think AP3´s dispersion is tighter.

Especially with 9, PW & AW.


Consistency.

I believe AP3´s distance is a lot more consistent than the one i had with my old PSI´s.

With the PSI there was an ocasional iron flying 10-15 yds more than usual.

Not with the AP3´s.


Conclusion.

I am very happy i changed.

Don´t really know if the fitting - customization process  (much better with my Titleist Dealer than in Dicks Sporting Goods) or the irons itself are the actual cause that my iron game got better.

But feelwise, lookwise, dispersion, etc; i know i like a lot more the AP3´s than the PSI´s.

Hope this information is useful.

Feel free to ask me any questions.

*Stats provided by THE GRINT. (I capture details of every round i play)

Edited by ChMtz, 11 December 2017 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 12:22 AM

Interesting. I am considering AP3... Thx
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:03 AM

Completely different shafts, especially upright, stiffer, and longer: the C-Taper 105 probably didn't help your cause. Those are the off-the-shelf shafts that TM stuck in them for the masses. If you went with more of a precise fitting, you may have had even better luck. Not a Titleist fan, but the PSi is an outstanding iron if you put the right shaft in it.

Edited by Hammer22, 06 December 2017 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:58 AM

It's always nice when the handicap continues to drop, even during an equipment change.  AP3's should do well with a lot of low to mid cap golfers.

As mentioned above, would have been interesting to see what your scoring was like with the PSI's fitted with AMT S300 at +1" and 1* up.  Based on your yardages, they should be a much better fit than the Taper 105's.

More fun getting new irons though!  :)

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:33 PM

View PostHammer22, on 06 December 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

Completely different shafts, especially upright, stiffer, and longer: the C-Taper 105 probably didn't help your cause. Those are the off-the-shelf shafts that TM stuck in them for the masses. If you went with more of a precise fitting, you may have had even better luck. Not a Titleist fan, but the PSi is an outstanding iron if you put the right shaft in it.

Honestly, I do not know a lot about shafts.

¿Do you think the improvement i´ve seen in my iron game is primarily due to the shaft rather than the heads?

¿Do you consider True Temper AMT Black S300 Shafts better than KBS Tour C-Taper 105 Shafts?

I attributed 50% of the improvement to a better fitting (+1" and 1* up)  and the other 50% to the fact that feelwise, lookwise, i like more the AP3´s than the PSI´s. (Never considered the shafts change)

I agree with you that back when they were launched PSI used to be outstanding.

But today, compared to the new ones, definitely think AP3´s are better.

¿What do you think?

Edited by ChMtz, 06 December 2017 - 02:05 PM.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:26 PM

They look like nice irons, i am glad it is working out for you. before you know it, scratch.
TM M1 430 TP 10.5 Mitsubishi Kai'li
TM M2 Tour 15 Kuro Kage
TM RBZ Tour HL3 17 UST V2
TM TP UDI 2 iron 18 UST Recoil 110
TM TP UDI 3 iron 20 Paderson KINETXX 950
TM RSi TP UDI 4 iron 23 Aldila Trinity 65
TM PSi 6-PW Nippon Modus 3 130
TM xFT TP 50, 54, 58 Nippon Pro WV115
TM Rossa Ghost Tour AGSI+ FO-74

I drop the 2 iron or one of the other UDI's based on course.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:37 PM

“¿Do you consider True Temper AMT Black S300 Shafts better than KBS Tour C-Taper 105 Shafts?”

For your swing, and based on the results you’ve posted, the AMTs are better for you.  It might be the complete opposite for someone else.  But I’d caveat this in saying you made some additional changes, so unless you hit both the KBS and AMT with the same specs and same club head your aren’t doing a similar comparison.

Between all the shaft manufacturers I personally don’t think one is better than the others.  It all comes down to what works for a persons swing.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

View PostChMtz, on 05 December 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

I am a serious golfer.

This is my experience.


August 2016.

My handicap index was 7.8.

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 7.9 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 48%.

Went to a fitting in a Dick´s Sporting Goods.

PSI Irons suggested.

Standard Length and Lie.

KBS Tour C-Taper 105 Stiff Shafts.

Bought them.

Played with them for a year. (Approximately 90 rounds)

My average GIR per round improved from 7.9 to 8.4.

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 48% to 55%.

These are the distances i hitted each iron.

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 155
PW    - 145
AW -    130.

October 2017.

My handicap index was 5.4

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 8.4 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 55%.

Decided to buy the Titleist AP3 irons.

Went for a fitting with my local Titleist Dealer.

He suggested to alter club length +1" and modify lie angle 1 degree upright.

True Temper AMT Black S300 Shafts.

I decided to change the grips since my hands literally hurt with the Golf Pride Tour Velvet White Grips they came with.

Those stock grips SUCK!

After 18 rounds with these irons my average GIR per round substantially improved from 8 to 11.

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 55% to 60%.

My handicap index went from 5.4 to 3.8

I love these new irons.


Distance.

I hit these irons almost the exact same distance i used to hit my old PSI.

Except 9, PW & AW (Hit AP3´s 5 yds longer)

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 160
PW    - 150
AW - 135.

Feel.

I like a lot more the feel of the AP3´s compared to the PSI.


Forgiveness.

I think both irons forgiveness is very similar.


Dispersion.

I definitely think AP3´s dispersion is tighter.

Especially with 9, PW & AW.


Consistency.

I believe AP3´s distance is a lot more consistent than the one i had with my old PSI´s.

With the PSI there was an ocasional iron flying 10-15 yds more than usual.

Not with the AP3´s.


Conclusion.

I am very happy i changed.

Don´t really know if the fitting - customization process  (much better with my Titleist Dealer than in Dicks Sporting Goods) or the irons itself are the actual cause that my iron game got better.

But feelwise, lookwise, dispersion, etc; i know i like a lot more the AP3´s than the PSI´s.

Hope this information is useful.

Feel free to ask me any questions.

*Stats provided by THE GRINT. (I capture details of every round i play)
I hear ya with the grips. I just got fit into CBX irons and the stock Lamkin grips on those things was terrible. Hard and zero tack. Harsh feeling on course and club slipping in my hand. Had to get them re-gripped. Got cheap Top Flite soft compound grips put on. Just got them back and they feel like new clubs. Best $40 I ever spent.
Will be taking them out this weekend.
Never underestimate the importance of good grips. It's the one thing big store fittings never bother with cause they're made up off site and you're stuck with whatever stock grips the OEM sticks on them.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:56 PM

View PostChMtz, on 06 December 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

View PostHammer22, on 06 December 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

Completely different shafts, especially upright, stiffer, and longer: the C-Taper 105 probably didn't help your cause. Those are the off-the-shelf shafts that TM stuck in them for the masses. If you went with more of a precise fitting, you may have had even better luck. Not a Titleist fan, but the PSi is an outstanding iron if you put the right shaft in it.

Honestly, I do not know a lot about shafts.

¿Do you think the improvement i´ve seen in my iron game is primarily due to the shaft rather than the heads?

¿Do you consider True Temper AMT Black S300 Shafts better than KBS Tour C-Taper 105 Shafts?

I attributed 50% of the improvement to a better fitting (+1" and 1* up)  and the other 50% to the fact that feelwise, lookwise, i like more the AP3´s than the PSI´s. (Never considered the shafts change)

I agree with you that back when they were launched PSI used to be outstanding.

But today, compared to the new ones, definitely think AP3´s are better.

¿What do you think?

An iron that is fitted to you is always going to be a better option than something off-the-shelf. If you hit a PSi head with the same shaft, you may have been pleasantly surprised, but if you are happy with the new set, then enjoy. Again, I'm not a Titleist fan, so the AP3 construction (a pseudo-cavity back head with welded face) didn't blow me away over what I have. With the PSi, the rubber block and badge they put on the back are great for feel and I love everything about them. They aren't leaving my bag any time soon, and I even have a brand new set stashed when the current set is beat down. Since they are fitted and bent to a different lie, they are perfect for me.

With regards to the stock KBS shaft in the PSi, it is meant for the masses: light weight, mid launch, mid spin (or something along those lines), and probably acquired "cheaply". Those shafts are only fit in parallel tip, and TM made the heads with tapered hosels as well for custom fitting - which mine are. If the AMT shaft worked for you in the fitting now, it would have worked before. In any case, enjoy what you have!

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 06:42 PM

View PostChMtz, on 05 December 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

I am a serious golfer.

This is my experience.


August 2016.

My handicap index was 7.8.

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 7.9 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 48%.

Went to a fitting in a Dick´s Sporting Goods.

PSI Irons suggested.

Standard Length and Lie.

KBS Tour C-Taper 105 Stiff Shafts.

Bought them.

Played with them for a year. (Approximately 90 rounds)

My average GIR per round improved from 7.9 to 8.4.

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 48% to 55%.

These are the distances i hitted each iron.

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 155
PW - 145
AW - 130.

October 2017.

My handicap index was 5.4

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 8.4 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 55%.

Decided to buy the Titleist AP3 irons.

Went for a fitting with my local Titleist Dealer.

He suggested to alter club length +1" and modify lie angle 1 degree upright.

True Temper AMT Black S300 Shafts.

I decided to change the grips since my hands literally hurt with the Golf Pride Tour Velvet White Grips they came with.

Those stock grips SUCK!

After 18 rounds with these irons my average GIR per round substantially improved from 8.4 to 10.2

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 55% to 60%.

My handicap index went from 5.4 to 3.8

I love these new irons.


Distance.

I hit these irons almost the exact same distance i used to hit my old PSI.

Except 9, PW & AW (Hit AP3´s 5 yds longer)

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 160
PW - 150
AW - 135.

Feel.

I like a lot more the feel of the AP3´s compared to the PSI.


Forgiveness.

I think both irons forgiveness is very similar.


Dispersion.

I definitely think AP3´s dispersion is tighter.

Especially with 9, PW & AW.


Consistency.

I believe AP3´s distance is a lot more consistent than the one i had with my old PSI´s.

With the PSI there was an ocasional iron flying 10-15 yds more than usual.

Not with the AP3´s.


Conclusion.

I am very happy i changed.

Don´t really know if the fitting - customization process  (much better with my Titleist Dealer than in Dicks Sporting Goods) or the irons itself are the actual cause that my iron game got better.

But feelwise, lookwise, dispersion, etc; i know i like a lot more the AP3´s than the PSI´s.

Hope this information is useful.

Feel free to ask me any questions.

*Stats provided by THE GRINT. (I capture details of every round i play)

Any difference on the launch/height of the shots?

How does PSI - KBS and AP3 - AMT launch/height compare?

Driver: Callaway Epic SZ.
3 wood: Callaway Big Bertha V Series.
Irons: Titleist AP3. AMT Black.
Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM6. (48/54/58)
Putter: Taylormade Spider OS CB.

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 06:57 PM

View PostMasterMickelson, on 11 December 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

View PostChMtz, on 05 December 2017 - 08:56 PM, said:

I am a serious golfer.

This is my experience.


August 2016.

My handicap index was 7.8.

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 7.9 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 48%.

Went to a fitting in a Dick´s Sporting Goods.

PSI Irons suggested.

Standard Length and Lie.

KBS Tour C-Taper 105 Stiff Shafts.

Bought them.

Played with them for a year. (Approximately 90 rounds)

My average GIR per round improved from 7.9 to 8.4.

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 48% to 55%.

These are the distances i hitted each iron.

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 155
PW - 145
AW - 130.

October 2017.

My handicap index was 5.4

During the previous year my average GIR per round was 8.4 and my accuracy in Par 3´s was 55%.

Decided to buy the Titleist AP3 irons.

Went for a fitting with my local Titleist Dealer.

He suggested to alter club length +1" and modify lie angle 1 degree upright.

True Temper AMT Black S300 Shafts.

I decided to change the grips since my hands literally hurt with the Golf Pride Tour Velvet White Grips they came with.

Those stock grips SUCK!

After 18 rounds with these irons my average GIR per round substantially improved from 8.4 to 10.2

My accuracy in Par 3´s improved from 55% to 60%.

My handicap index went from 5.4 to 3.8

I love these new irons.


Distance.

I hit these irons almost the exact same distance i used to hit my old PSI.

Except 9, PW & AW (Hit AP3´s 5 yds longer)

4 iron - 210
5 iron - 200
6 iron - 190
7 iron - 180
8 iron - 170
9 iron - 160
PW - 150
AW - 135.

Feel.

I like a lot more the feel of the AP3´s compared to the PSI.


Forgiveness.

I think both irons forgiveness is very similar.


Dispersion.

I definitely think AP3´s dispersion is tighter.

Especially with 9, PW & AW.


Consistency.

I believe AP3´s distance is a lot more consistent than the one i had with my old PSI´s.

With the PSI there was an ocasional iron flying 10-15 yds more than usual.

Not with the AP3´s.


Conclusion.

I am very happy i changed.

Don´t really know if the fitting - customization process  (much better with my Titleist Dealer than in Dicks Sporting Goods) or the irons itself are the actual cause that my iron game got better.

But feelwise, lookwise, dispersion, etc; i know i like a lot more the AP3´s than the PSI´s.

Hope this information is useful.

Feel free to ask me any questions.

*Stats provided by THE GRINT. (I capture details of every round i play)

Any difference on the launch/height of the shots?

How does PSI - KBS and AP3 - AMT launch/height compare?

AP3´s - AMT Black launch and peak higher.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 03:42 AM

AP3s arriving this Saturday.  Got fitted at Plaza golf by Todd.
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TM ? 3w
TM Hybrid ? 19*
Mizuno JPX Pro 3 & 4 irons
TM rac MB TP 5 - P  (2005?)
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