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Is the "Tiger can't utilise new technology" debate already over?


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#1 aaronmacfarlane

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:22 AM

Throughout Tiger's many comebacks, a hot topic has always been whether or not he can take full advantage of modern technology.

Following his performance at the Hero World Challenge, are the skeptics ever going to question Tiger's ability to use the new tech again?

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:25 AM

Flux capacitor?

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:28 AM

That debate has been over for years, the only holdout I could even possibly consider was the glued hosel drivers. Even still, he didn't need adjustable drivers when Nike was making him one-offs of just about whatever he wanted.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:32 AM

Anyone who admits to cheating on a voice mail doesn't know modern technology
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:40 AM

Not sure how hotly contested that debate was. The only time I remember it being a thing was around 2003/2004 when Mickelson caught up with his driving distance and said that he was losing x yards with his equipment. But then he made up for that eventually.

Tiger has said that the ball goes too far with modern equipment, then proceeded to prove it last weekend by absolutely smashing the ball miles out there after four back surgeries.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM

View PostDave230, on 05 December 2017 - 07:40 AM, said:

Not sure how hotly contested that debate was. The only time I remember it being a thing was around 2003/2004 when Mickelson caught up with his driving distance and said that he was losing x yards with his equipment. But then he made up for that eventually.

Tiger has said that the ball goes too far with modern equipment, then proceeded to prove it last weekend by absolutely smashing the ball miles out there after four back surgeries.

Exactly, that was when Tiger was still using a 43" steel shafted 975D and yet blowing it past Mickelson's Carbon Yonex.  This hasn't been a talking point for 10 years.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:20 AM

View Postnova6868, on 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

That's some potent fuel right there.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:25 AM

The main argument involving Phil Mickleson has already been addressed and was over a decade ago. There are only two other arguments that are much less potent; glued hosels on his woods instead of adjustable (largely a non issue since he was always fitted for exactly what he needed) and the fact that he used the same first generation Diamana shafts in his woods for ages (if nothing else performed better or him then also a non issue). Even if those things were actually big issues, they are obviously irrelevant now that he's using adjustable woods and Mitsubishi Tensei shafts.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:27 AM

View Postnova6868, on 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

Or..... maybe it was the back surgery ?

More likely was the pink shirt.  Or maybe even the new suntan lotion for the Bahamas !


You do know Bridgestone made the Nike balls right ?  Not really a big change.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 08:43 AM

I think the debate was over until this thread brought it back up
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:16 AM

Hed probably hit more greens with cavity backs.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:25 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 05 December 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

Or..... maybe it was the back surgery ?

More likely was the pink shirt.  Or maybe even the new suntan lotion for the Bahamas !

See I'm thinking it was that solar eclipse last summer.  In fact heard stories about him being seen in the mountains of Idaho about that time with a known Wiccan priestess and a black cat. He came out of that high desert a changed man.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:26 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 05 December 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

Or..... maybe it was the back surgery ?

More likely was the pink shirt.  Or maybe even the new suntan lotion for the Bahamas !


You do know Bridgestone made the Nike balls right ?  Not really a big change.

Also let's not forget that the manufacturer will make the driver to match any needed launch characteristics.  His driver wasn't just off the rack, nobody's driver out there really is.  Tiger has always played a higher spinning ball and a higher spinning driver because he liked to work the ball.  Pretty sure that Rock Ishii at Nike said that Tiger played a ball that spun more than the retail version they had.  I remember being right behind him at the Buick Open in MI on the driveable par 4's and his driver was not very high flying...it was more similar to a persimmon flight than others.  Ball started lowish and climbed higher...much different than the typical mid-high launch where the ball seems to float out there.

I think in the last year or two he finally realized that working the ball isn't as valuable with the driver as being able to hit it another 10+ yards, especially when you can work it with the irons the way he can.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:06 PM

I don't think any debate involving Tiger will ever be over...I mean, we are still debating who killed JFK.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:16 PM

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 05 December 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

He'd probably hit more greens with cavity backs.

The only thing cavity backs would do for Tiger is ruin his ball striking ability.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:20 PM

View Posthodges_atx, on 05 December 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

View PostPetunia Sprinkle, on 05 December 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

He'd probably hit more greens with cavity backs.

The only thing cavity backs would do for Tiger is ruin his ball striking ability.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:15 PM

View Postnova6868, on 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

They also finally convinced him to ditch the 420cc glued design driver with the adjusted CG he was so set on with Nike and got him into a TM 460cc adjustable driver. He wasn't swinging it well enough towards the end of Nike's tenure to need that much workability anyway. All it did was turn his draws into duck hooks.

Edited by cvhookem63, 05 December 2017 - 02:16 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:31 PM

View Postcvhookem63, on 05 December 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

They also finally convinced him to ditch the 420cc glued design driver with the adjusted CG he was so set on with Nike and got him into a TM 460cc adjustable driver. He wasn't swinging it well enough towards the end of Nike's tenure to need that much workability anyway. All it did was turn his draws into duck hooks.

You don't really think that him playing a custom 420cc driver, was a strong factor in any duck hooks he may have hit?  Really?

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:35 PM

View PostCwebb, on 05 December 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

View Postcvhookem63, on 05 December 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 December 2017 - 08:07 AM, said:

Let me throw fuel on the fire:

Once he went away from the Nike ball and driver, boom... distance was back. Amazing.

They also finally convinced him to ditch the 420cc glued design driver with the adjusted CG he was so set on with Nike and got him into a TM 460cc adjustable driver. He wasn't swinging it well enough towards the end of Nike's tenure to need that much workability anyway. All it did was turn his draws into duck hooks.

You don't really think that him playing a custom 420cc driver, was a strong factor in any duck hooks he may have hit?  Really?

It obviously wasn't the reason he was hitting duck hooks - his back was in shambles, but it certainly didn't help matters any.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:13 AM

Imagine how good Fleetwood could be if he just stopped playing Nike’s!  LOL
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:34 AM

Cobra and Titleist drivers best total driving of his career. Nike drivers worst total driving of his career. Sample of 1 Taylormade Driver back to good total driving. Maybe it wasnt the constant swing changes that hampered his career, but Nike driver technology...

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:44 AM

Nike equipment was just holding him back :)

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:47 AM

View Postsandy, on 06 December 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

Cobra and Titleist drivers best total driving of his career. Nike drivers worst total driving of his career. Sample of 1 Taylormade Driver back to good total driving. Maybe it wasnt the constant swing changes that hampered his career, but Nike driver technology...

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:54 AM

I don’t think Big Cat has been adverse to new technology as much he just trusts the consistency of older tech. Trust is a big factor for someone of his playing level. I’m not sure he sees the same amount of benefit from having the latest and greatest, so why tinker? Some guys, especially better players, just don’t like change. Big Cat was one of the last guys to switch from steel shafts in his woods. He still plays blades. No need to change for the sake of changing. I wish he would have adopted the same policy with his swing.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:04 AM

Thought the issue was Tiger typically one or two years behind in product cycles. Used an older ball and was just a little slow to get into the newest model.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:26 AM

He's hitting well because he's swinging well. Swing has not looked this good in what seems like a decade, possibly near as good as Butch era swing possibly better, simpler and more solid. It's really not the tech.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 09:37 AM

I don't ever recall there being a debate about this.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:14 AM

View PostNard_S, on 06 December 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

He's hitting well because he's swinging well. Swing has not looked this good in what seems like a decade, possibly near as good as Butch era swing possibly better, simpler and more solid. It's really not the tech.

Absolutely.  180mph balls speed isn't Taylor made.  It's middle contact.  He would be driving it well with anything swinging like that.

Edited by bladehunter, 06 December 2017 - 10:14 AM.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:24 AM

I think Tiger is playing relevant  equipment.
Not certain what  he would change.

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