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#1 Middler

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:56 PM

Though it's the off season where I am, I'm ready buy new irons. But I've just come back to the game after 15 years, and the equipment landscape has changed considerably and I'm trying to sort real from marketing hype.
  • I really want that soft forged feel but I could probably use more forgiveness with longer irons.
  • I don't have any trouble getting the ball in the air so I don't want higher ball flight (I know shaft selection will play a role) and I don't think I want anything designed for low spin.
  • I am neutral on distance, more is fine but I'm satisfied with my distance - I wouldn't trade more 'length dispersion' for greater average length, and I've read distance with many/some game improvement irons are a lot more variable than most forged clubs. IOW, I'd MUCH rather carry 150 +/-5 yards with less run than 160 +/-10 yds with more run (numbers just pulled out of the air to illustrate).
After hitting quite a few brands/models, the JPX900 Forged is the best fit for me, but I am seriously considering going with (cast) Hot Metals in 4-6 iron and Forged for 7-GW? Fortunately the static lofts are identical, so I shouldn't have too much of a gap issue if I go combo.

Since I can't hit anything buy 6-irons at any shop/fitter/demo day, I'm at a loss on which way to go with longer irons. Any clever ideas?

Edited by Middler, 29 November 2017 - 02:58 PM.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:32 PM

We ended going with just the 4i in the HM for my 15yr old son. Hes a solid stick, great height on his shots & no need for distance.

We ended up in just the 4i due to his next club being a 20.5* hybrid.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:47 PM

I actually went and got fitted just yesterday for the hot metals and here is my opinion. I am def not a fast swing speed player due to shoulder surgeries and was dead set on hot metals for a little more distance and forgiveness. After swinging with various shafts and heads, I ended up going with the jpx 900 forged over the hm. I felt there was VERY little difference in forgiveness and def love the feel of a forged club. Also, I plan on keeping them a while ( I am only a driver ho) and the hm will show more wear over time and the forged will always look good as long as you keep your equipment clean. But the forged are the way to go and I could not have been more dead set on hm. This is just my opinion, but you will find that there is very little distance gap and same for forgiveness. Mizuno just make great clubs

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 05:24 PM

 dmb3535, on 29 November 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

I actually went and got fitted just yesterday for the hot metals and here is my opinion. I am def not a fast swing speed player due to shoulder surgeries and was dead set on hot metals for a little more distance and forgiveness. After swinging with various shafts and heads, I ended up going with the jpx 900 forged over the hm. I felt there was VERY little difference in forgiveness and def love the feel of a forged club. Also, I plan on keeping them a while ( I am only a driver ho) and the hm will show more wear over time and the forged will always look good as long as you keep your equipment clean. But the forged are the way to go and I could not have been more dead set on hm. This is just my opinion, but you will find that there is very little distance gap and same for forgiveness. Mizuno just make great clubs

Why would you state that the HM will show more wear than the forged model?  You have this backwards.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 05:29 PM

 Middler, on 29 November 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

Though it's the off season where I am, I'm ready buy new irons. But I've just come back to the game after 15 years, and the equipment landscape has changed considerably and I'm trying to sort real from marketing hype.
  • I really want that soft forged feel but I could probably use more forgiveness with longer irons.
  • I don't have any trouble getting the ball in the air so I don't want higher ball flight (I know shaft selection will play a role) and I don't think I want anything designed for low spin.
  • I am neutral on distance, more is fine but I'm satisfied with my distance - I wouldn't trade more 'length dispersion' for greater average length, and I've read distance with many/some game improvement irons are a lot more variable than most forged clubs. IOW, I'd MUCH rather carry 150 +/-5 yards with less run than 160 +/-10 yds with more run (numbers just pulled out of the air to illustrate).
After hitting quite a few brands/models, the JPX900 Forged is the best fit for me, but I am seriously considering going with (cast) Hot Metals in 4-6 iron and Forged for 7-GW? Fortunately the static lofts are identical, so I shouldn't have too much of a gap issue if I go combo.

Since I can't hit anything buy 6-irons at any shop/fitter/demo day, I'm at a loss on which way to go with longer irons. Any clever ideas?

The "soft forged feel" is one of those golf myths that is so ingrained in the industry-speak (and golfers in general) that I doubt it will ever go away.

Forging is just a different process to create a club than using an investment cast method.  There is nothing inherently softer feeling about a forged club.  Although the metal used is often a bit softer on the metallurgical scale, you wouldn't be able to feel the difference between 1025 and 431 or 17-4 stainless IF the design of the heads were identical.

It's the head design that you feel (along with the shaft properties).  It has nothing to do with whether the head was forged or cast.  It just so happens that most head designs that feel better, also happen to be forged.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:01 PM

I have had a combo set, a hot metal set and a forged set of jpx 900. The hot metals feel better. Heck the hot metals wedges felt better then my miura wedges. If you struggle with irons go hot metal. If you struggle with long irons do a combo set. If you just want the game to be easy go hot metal.
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:11 PM

 Noodler, on 29 November 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

 Middler, on 29 November 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

Though it's the off season where I am, I'm ready buy new irons. But I've just come back to the game after 15 years, and the equipment landscape has changed considerably and I'm trying to sort real from marketing hype.
  • I really want that soft forged feel but I could probably use more forgiveness with longer irons.
  • I don't have any trouble getting the ball in the air so I don't want higher ball flight (I know shaft selection will play a role) and I don't think I want anything designed for low spin.
  • I am neutral on distance, more is fine but I'm satisfied with my distance - I wouldn't trade more 'length dispersion' for greater average length, and I've read distance with many/some game improvement irons are a lot more variable than most forged clubs. IOW, I'd MUCH rather carry 150 +/-5 yards with less run than 160 +/-10 yds with more run (numbers just pulled out of the air to illustrate).
After hitting quite a few brands/models, the JPX900 Forged is the best fit for me, but I am seriously considering going with (cast) Hot Metals in 4-6 iron and Forged for 7-GW? Fortunately the static lofts are identical, so I shouldn't have too much of a gap issue if I go combo.

Since I can't hit anything buy 6-irons at any shop/fitter/demo day, I'm at a loss on which way to go with longer irons. Any clever ideas?

The "soft forged feel" is one of those golf myths that is so ingrained in the industry-speak (and golfers in general) that I doubt it will ever go away.

Forging is just a different process to create a club than using an investment cast method.  There is nothing inherently softer feeling about a forged club.  Although the metal used is often a bit softer on the metallurgical scale, you wouldn't be able to feel the difference between 1025 and 431 or 17-4 stainless IF the design of the heads were identical.

It's the head design that you feel (along with the shaft properties).  It has nothing to do with whether the head was forged or cast.  It just so happens that most head designs that feel better, also happen to be forged.
Itís interesting how this debate continues with adamant supporters and detractors. Some people insist forged feel different and others insist itís head design (as casting tech has improved) that determines feel. Iíve not cared for most of the cast GI clubs Iíve hit (the Hot Metals were the best cast club I hit IMHO), but as you say it may just be the design. Iíve neved hit a forged iron that felt bad, but the solid strike area is definitely smaller. But Iíve hit some cast clubs that I thought were just horrible (Iíll omit brand/models). Until someone builds the exact same design in state-of-the-art cast and forged I guess weíll never know.

And since casting is a significantly less costly production process, youíd think weíd see way more cast blades if thereís no difference in feel.

Is ďgrain flow forgingĒ marketing speak too?

Edited by Middler, 30 November 2017 - 05:35 AM.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:26 PM

Thatís false.

A cast iron could never replicate the same feel as a forged iron.

Some manufacturers do make a great feeling cast club, itís very surprising.

Anyways, contrary to your statement; go hit the MD3 cast wedge vs the MDF wedge, they feel different despite being close in head shape, shaft and grip; for argument sakes is near indentical for intents and purposes. The forged wedge feels better.

Casting inherently has internal voids and the grain structure are randomly scattered vs forged where the grains are elongated, uniformed and can further be densed/compressed for greater feel.

Visualize a Swiss cheese vs American cheddar, what would that do to your irons?

 Noodler, on 29 November 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

 Middler, on 29 November 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

Though it's the off season where I am, I'm ready buy new irons. But I've just come back to the game after 15 years, and the equipment landscape has changed considerably and I'm trying to sort real from marketing hype.
  • I really want that soft forged feel but I could probably use more forgiveness with longer irons.
  • I don't have any trouble getting the ball in the air so I don't want higher ball flight (I know shaft selection will play a role) and I don't think I want anything designed for low spin.
  • I am neutral on distance, more is fine but I'm satisfied with my distance - I wouldn't trade more 'length dispersion' for greater average length, and I've read distance with many/some game improvement irons are a lot more variable than most forged clubs. IOW, I'd MUCH rather carry 150 +/-5 yards with less run than 160 +/-10 yds with more run (numbers just pulled out of the air to illustrate).
After hitting quite a few brands/models, the JPX900 Forged is the best fit for me, but I am seriously considering going with (cast) Hot Metals in 4-6 iron and Forged for 7-GW? Fortunately the static lofts are identical, so I shouldn't have too much of a gap issue if I go combo.

Since I can't hit anything buy 6-irons at any shop/fitter/demo day, I'm at a loss on which way to go with longer irons. Any clever ideas?

The "soft forged feel" is one of those golf myths that is so ingrained in the industry-speak (and golfers in general) that I doubt it will ever go away.

Forging is just a different process to create a club than using an investment cast method.  There is nothing inherently softer feeling about a forged club.  Although the metal used is often a bit softer on the metallurgical scale, you wouldn't be able to feel the difference between 1025 and 431 or 17-4 stainless IF the design of the heads were identical.

It's the head design that you feel (along with the shaft properties).  It has nothing to do with whether the head was forged or cast.  It just so happens that most head designs that feel better, also happen to be forged.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 09:21 PM

 Noodler, on 29 November 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

 dmb3535, on 29 November 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

I actually went and got fitted just yesterday for the hot metals and here is my opinion. I am def not a fast swing speed player due to shoulder surgeries and was dead set on hot metals for a little more distance and forgiveness. After swinging with various shafts and heads, I ended up going with the jpx 900 forged over the hm. I felt there was VERY little difference in forgiveness and def love the feel of a forged club. Also, I plan on keeping them a while ( I am only a driver ho) and the hm will show more wear over time and the forged will always look good as long as you keep your equipment clean. But the forged are the way to go and I could not have been more dead set on hm. This is just my opinion, but you will find that there is very little distance gap and same for forgiveness. Mizuno just make great clubs

Why would you state that the HM will show more wear than the forged model?  You have this backwards.

Your right, I was in a hurry and got clubs and words mixed up. I meant to say if you plan on keeping a long time, hm will not show as much as forged. But as long as you take care of forges, they should stay oooking good as well. My bad, I should have read before I posted

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 10:28 PM

 Chuck905, on 29 November 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

That's false.

A cast iron could never replicate the same feel as a forged iron.

Some manufacturers do make a great feeling cast club, it's very surprising.

Anyways, contrary to your statement; go hit the MD3 cast wedge vs the MDF wedge, they feel different despite being close in head shape, shaft and grip; for argument sakes is near indentical for intents and purposes. The forged wedge feels better.

Casting inherently has internal voids and the grain structure are randomly scattered vs forged where the grains are elongated, uniformed and can further be densed/compressed for greater feel.

Visualize a Swiss cheese vs American cheddar, what would that do to your irons?

 Noodler, on 29 November 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

 Middler, on 29 November 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

Though it's the off season where I am, I'm ready buy new irons. But I've just come back to the game after 15 years, and the equipment landscape has changed considerably and I'm trying to sort real from marketing hype.
  • I really want that soft forged feel but I could probably use more forgiveness with longer irons.
  • I don't have any trouble getting the ball in the air so I don't want higher ball flight (I know shaft selection will play a role) and I don't think I want anything designed for low spin.
  • I am neutral on distance, more is fine but I'm satisfied with my distance - I wouldn't trade more 'length dispersion' for greater average length, and I've read distance with many/some game improvement irons are a lot more variable than most forged clubs. IOW, I'd MUCH rather carry 150 +/-5 yards with less run than 160 +/-10 yds with more run (numbers just pulled out of the air to illustrate).
After hitting quite a few brands/models, the JPX900 Forged is the best fit for me, but I am seriously considering going with (cast) Hot Metals in 4-6 iron and Forged for 7-GW? Fortunately the static lofts are identical, so I shouldn't have too much of a gap issue if I go combo.

Since I can't hit anything buy 6-irons at any shop/fitter/demo day, I'm at a loss on which way to go with longer irons. Any clever ideas?

The "soft forged feel" is one of those golf myths that is so ingrained in the industry-speak (and golfers in general) that I doubt it will ever go away.

Forging is just a different process to create a club than using an investment cast method.  There is nothing inherently softer feeling about a forged club.  Although the metal used is often a bit softer on the metallurgical scale, you wouldn't be able to feel the difference between 1025 and 431 or 17-4 stainless IF the design of the heads were identical.

It's the head design that you feel (along with the shaft properties).  It has nothing to do with whether the head was forged or cast.  It just so happens that most head designs that feel better, also happen to be forged.

If Ray Floyd and other pros couldn't tell the difference I'm guessing you probably couldn't either,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 10:57 PM

You could simply just go test those wedges yourself?

Do you revere Ray and the other pros?

Feel is subjective but I can assure you that a cast vs forged processes makes a significant difference in mechanical make up and ultimately feel out put.

Thereís also many advantages and disadvantages between the two product segments.

I can write a thesis on his but my professional opinion is suffice with an engineering degree and over a decade of manufacturing experience lol....

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 05:28 AM

Feel mostly relates to sound.

But, the OP’s thread is being hyjacked.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 06:33 AM

I went 4-5 in hot metal 6-pw in forged. I love this set up. I haven't noticed any gapping issues. Hot metals are easier for me to launch in London my ienw as compared to 900f. You will notice more off set.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:08 AM

Have you thought about mp18 mmc's? You could combo with the flihi's in the longer irons. Mizuno has said the MMC is similar in forgiveness to the 900 forged. I'm switching from the 900 forged to the MMC I thought it felt a little better and I was more consistent with the MMC. I went 5-pw in the MMC. I didn't get the flihi long irons because they just didn't seem any more forgiving for me. Both are great clubs

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:17 AM

I played the 900F for a season, and found they were too low spinning for me. Getting the ball to stop on greens was a consistent issue, even with short irons. If you go back and look at the early video reviews of these you will see spin numbers were weak for the type of club these are. In a couple cases the 900HM actually spun more in dry ball testing.

I switched to the MP-18SC and started stopping the ball much more consistently on the greens. I did not hit the MMC’s but would guess the spin numbers there would be better than the 900F based on my experience. So checking those out sounds like good advice, especially since you mentioned spin as a criteria in your original post.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:32 AM

I've been playing Hot Metal's for a while now and love them.  When I manage to hit the center of the face they feel absolutely wonderful.  At the same time they provide some good forgiveness on mishits.  I came across a set of Miura PP-9003's a while back and just had to try them.  Center strikes on those felt even better than the HM's but overall I preferred the HM so the Miura's got sold.  Forged feel is wonderful and all but it's just one feature of a club and the HM's feel awesome on good strikes so it's not like you are giving up much if anything.

And BTW, the Hot Metal's are cast from 4140 steel and chrome plated.  They are quite durable to chatter and damage but they are plated and once that wears off the heads will rust like a typical forged club.  The underlying metal is harder so the wear should be slower overall though.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:36 AM

Clever trick since you only have the 6 iron demos (may have been mentioned already, don’t have time to read the whole thread before work), would be that if you hit the forged 6 iron fine, use that as your break. Get the 4 and 5 in the HM and 6-p in forged. If you hit the HM 6i better, then break there, going 4-6 HM and 7-p forged. Good luck!
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:59 AM

 Schulzmc, on 30 November 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

I played the 900F for a season, and found they were too low spinning for me. Getting the ball to stop on greens was a consistent issue, even with short irons. If you go back and look at the early video reviews of these you will see spin numbers were weak for the type of club these are. In a couple cases the 900HM actually spun more in dry ball testing.

I switched to the MP-18SC and started stopping the ball much more consistently on the greens. I did not hit the MMCís but would guess the spin numbers there would be better than the 900F based on my experience. So checking those out sounds like good advice, especially since you mentioned spin as a criteria in your original post.

Spin was a worry of mine as well with the 900 Forged. I used a kbs tour90 in them which is supposed to be a higher lauch/spin shaft. Stopping on the greens worked pretty good. I was just to inconsistent with them with that shaft. I thought the MMC and SC we're very similar I opted for the MMC for a little extra forgiveness. It spins a little less than the SC but a lot more than the 900f

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:07 AM

900 forged have jacked lofts and that creates a lower trajectory.  I have a high swing speed and hit the ball very high so they are perfect for me.  I had MP 54s before this and I hit moonshots with the 3 iron in that set. I can definitely see where slow swing speed players could have spin issues with 900 forged.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:17 AM

I was recently in a similar situation as you but ended up going with the Ping i200's over the JPX Forged.

If hitting long irons were an issue for you in the past or now, the combo set would probably work better or consider mixing in hybrids in an all Forged set.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:22 PM

 reider69, on 30 November 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

900 forged have jacked lofts and that creates a lower trajectory.  I have a high swing speed and hit the ball very high so they are perfect for me.  I had MP 54s before this and I hit moonshots with the 3 iron in that set. I can definitely see where slow swing speed players could have spin issues with 900 forged.

I have a pretty high swing speed and still had trouble spinning the JPX 900F.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 02:29 PM

For reference here are the average backspin rates from Crossfield's reviews of the JPX 900 T, F, HM (all are 6 irons):

JPX900 Tour - 5244
JPX900 Forged - 4518
JPX900 Hot Metal - 5191

MP-19 SC - 5383
MP-19 MMC - 5159

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 04:04 PM

 Schulzmc, on 30 November 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

For reference here are the average backspin rates from Crossfield's reviews of the JPX 900 T, F, HM (all are 6 irons):

JPX900 Tour - 5244
JPX900 Forged - 4518
JPX900 Hot Metal - 5191

MP-19 SC - 5383
MP-19 MMC - 5159
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 07:16 PM

 Middler, on 29 November 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

Though it's the off season where I am, I'm ready buy new irons. But I've just come back to the game after 15 years, and the equipment landscape has changed considerably and I'm trying to sort real from marketing hype.
  • I really want that soft forged feel but I could probably use more forgiveness with longer irons.
  • I don't have any trouble getting the ball in the air so I don't want higher ball flight (I know shaft selection will play a role) and I don't think I want anything designed for low spin.
  • I am neutral on distance, more is fine but I'm satisfied with my distance - I wouldn't trade more 'length dispersion' for greater average length, and I've read distance with many/some game improvement irons are a lot more variable than most forged clubs. IOW, I'd MUCH rather carry 150 +/-5 yards with less run than 160 +/-10 yds with more run (numbers just pulled out of the air to illustrate).
After hitting quite a few brands/models, the JPX900 Forged is the best fit for me, but I am seriously considering going with (cast) Hot Metals in 4-6 iron and Forged for 7-GW? Fortunately the static lofts are identical, so I shouldn't have too much of a gap issue if I go combo.

Since I can't hit anything buy 6-irons at any shop/fitter/demo day, I'm at a loss on which way to go with longer irons. Any clever ideas?

"Forged/Feel" debate aside, I'd recommend the 4-5 in 900HM, 6-PW/GW in 900F. You could even go 6 in the HM depending on your swing and results. The 900F are great, I've been playing them for a year. If I have any complaint it's that I personally don't hit the 4-5 as high as I'd like. For 4-5i, I'm really looking at point and shoot, as high and straight as I can hit it. Keep in mind the 4i loft is a traditional 3i, so I tend to think some help is good. Maybe you hit your irons higher?
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:09 PM

 Chuck905, on 29 November 2017 - 10:57 PM, said:

You could simply just go test those wedges yourself?

Do you revere Ray and the other pros?

Feel is subjective but I can assure you that a cast vs forged processes makes a significant difference in mechanical make up and ultimately feel out put.

There's also many advantages and disadvantages between the two product segments.

I can write a thesis on his but my professional opinion is suffice with an engineering degree and over a decade of manufacturing experience lol....

Do I revere those guys ? Hardly. But then that's not the point.

The very fact that those guys are as good as they are and can't "feel" the difference suggest that lesser players such as myself and you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, can't either.

Thesis ? Engineering degree ? Manufacturing experience ? And you can tell the rest of us how things "feel" ? :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:12 PM

 Middler, on 29 November 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

Though it's the off season where I am, I'm ready buy new irons. But I've just come back to the game after 15 years, and the equipment landscape has changed considerably and I'm trying to sort real from marketing hype.
  • I really want that soft forged feel but I could probably use more forgiveness with longer irons.
  • I don't have any trouble getting the ball in the air so I don't want higher ball flight (I know shaft selection will play a role) and I don't think I want anything designed for low spin.
  • I am neutral on distance, more is fine but I'm satisfied with my distance - I wouldn't trade more 'length dispersion' for greater average length, and I've read distance with many/some game improvement irons are a lot more variable than most forged clubs. IOW, I'd MUCH rather carry 150 +/-5 yards with less run than 160 +/-10 yds with more run (numbers just pulled out of the air to illustrate).
After hitting quite a few brands/models, the JPX900 Forged is the best fit for me, but I am seriously considering going with (cast) Hot Metals in 4-6 iron and Forged for 7-GW? Fortunately the static lofts are identical, so I shouldn't have too much of a gap issue if I go combo.

Since I can't hit anything buy 6-irons at any shop/fitter/demo day, I'm at a loss on which way to go with longer irons. Any clever ideas?

As a 14, get the HMs,,,,,,,,,,,
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:44 PM

You donít revere the pros but accept their opinions; youíre a hypocrite. Nobody expects you to understand material science and mechanical design.

Many users in this thread alone are experience better feel in the forged version  vs the cast version.

I play he 900T and itís a decent feeling as well.

Iím surprised the spin # are low on the 900F.

You should note the lofts on each 6 iron?

 nsxguy, on 30 November 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

 Chuck905, on 29 November 2017 - 10:57 PM, said:

You could simply just go test those wedges yourself?

Do you revere Ray and the other pros?

Feel is subjective but I can assure you that a cast vs forged processes makes a significant difference in mechanical make up and ultimately feel out put.

There's also many advantages and disadvantages between the two product segments.

I can write a thesis on his but my professional opinion is suffice with an engineering degree and over a decade of manufacturing experience lol....

Do I revere those guys ? Hardly. But then that's not the point.

The very fact that those guys are as good as they are and can't "feel" the difference suggest that lesser players such as myself and you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, can't either.

Thesis ? Engineering degree ? Manufacturing experience ? And you can tell the rest of us how things "feel" ? :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:33 PM

 Chuck905, on 30 November 2017 - 10:44 PM, said:

You don't revere the pros but accept their opinions; you're a hypocrite. Nobody expects you to understand material science and mechanical design.

Many users in this thread alone are experience better feel in the forged version  vs the cast version.

I play he 900T and it's a decent feeling as well.

I'm surprised the spin # are low on the 900F.

You should note the lofts on each 6 iron?

 nsxguy, on 30 November 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

 Chuck905, on 29 November 2017 - 10:57 PM, said:

You could simply just go test those wedges yourself?

Do you revere Ray and the other pros?

Feel is subjective but I can assure you that a cast vs forged processes makes a significant difference in mechanical make up and ultimately feel out put.

There's also many advantages and disadvantages between the two product segments.

I can write a thesis on his but my professional opinion is suffice with an engineering degree and over a decade of manufacturing experience lol....

Do I revere those guys ? Hardly. But then that's not the point.

The very fact that those guys are as good as they are and can't "feel" the difference suggest that lesser players such as myself and you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, can't either.

Thesis ? Engineering degree ? Manufacturing experience ? And you can tell the rest of us how things "feel" ? :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

Sorry, but you're acting like the HM and the Forged versions are the same exact design, just different manufacturing.  That's absolutely not the case.  The designs are different, hence the feel is different.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 06:58 PM

Your question is invalid, but, before we proceed; have you hit the 900T, 900F, 900HM, 18MB, 18SC, 18MMC, 18 Fli Hi, S18 wedges, T7, T5, Callaway MDF and MD3?

I game the the 900T.

Verily, that rounds out the feel spectrum.

Your input is rhetorical, tempting, wrongful and hypocrisy.

Sorry guys, Iím a true feel player and most of the assessment in this thread is consistent with my experience.

Back to your regular programming.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:27 PM

 Chuck905, on 01 December 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

Your question is invalid, but, before we proceed; have you hit the 900T, 900F, 900HM, 18MB, 18SC, 18MMC, 18 Fli Hi, S18 wedges, T7, T5, Callaway MDF and MD3?

I game the the 900T.

Verily, that rounds out the feel spectrum.

Your input is rhetorical, tempting, wrongful and hypocrisy.

Sorry guys, Iím a true feel player and most of the assessment in this thread is consistent with my experience.

Back to your regular programming.

So, what's your thoughts on nuclear fusion,  In regards to black holes

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