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Trip To Phoenix Area: Where To Play!!??

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM

Hi there guys,

This is my first post here as I mostly just comb the classifieds, but I figured this would be a good way to use the community.  

My Dad and I are going on vacation to Phoenix in December (right around Christmas) for a tournament out there, but we are going a few days early to play some golf out in the desert.  We have never played golf in the area so I've been combing through everything I can find to pick out some courses that look nice, but you guys are my last filter here before I start to make some decisions.

A few criteria I have for the courses I'm looking at are; I want to feel like I'm playing DESERT golf (i.e. I want to see some cacti just off the course), good course conditions (mostly talking about the putting surface here), and a challenging and interesting layout.  I have three days to play, MAYBE could play 36 in one day, but I am looking for 2 courses < $100 per player and one that can be a bit over that. With that said here are a few I took a look at that seem in my range, but if there is something I'm really missing out on feel free to let me know.
  • Longbow Golf Club
  • Estrella Golf Club
  • Las Sendas Golf Club
  • Foothills Golf Club
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course
  • The Boulders
  • Troon North
  • We Ko Pa
  • Southern Dunes
Thanks for the help!

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:14 AM

Definitely play Ak-Chin. I love that course. Fast pace of play and interesting holes. Definitely worth the drive.  

I have also played Grayhawk (Raptor). I though Ak-Chin had more character. Still fun though.
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Posted 23 November 2017 - 07:41 AM

Longbow is a good desert course. Southern Dunes a bit less so, but it is truly special and a great value. Definitely splurge on WeKoPa. Youíll love the course, conditions and desert feel.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 08:50 AM

View PostMohigolf1207, on 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

Hi there guys,

This is my first post here as I mostly just comb the classifieds, but I figured this would be a good way to use the community.  

My Dad and I are going on vacation to Phoenix in December (right around Christmas) for a tournament out there, but we are going a few days early to play some golf out in the desert.  We have never played golf in the area so I've been combing through everything I can find to pick out some courses that look nice, but you guys are my last filter here before I start to make some decisions.

A few criteria I have for the courses I'm looking at are; I want to feel like I'm playing DESERT golf (i.e. I want to see some cacti just off the course), good course conditions (mostly talking about the putting surface here), and a challenging and interesting layout.  I have three days to play, MAYBE could play 36 in one day, but I am looking for 2 courses < $100 per player and one that can be a bit over that. With that said here are a few I took a look at that seem in my range, but if there is something I'm really missing out on feel free to let me know.
  • Longbow Golf Club - average
  • Estrella Golf Club - good course, long way from everything
  • Las Sendas Golf Club - ok course; not a locals favorite but ok
  • Foothills Golf Club - terrible shape and not worth anything over $6
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course - one of the worst in the Southwest!!!
  • Grayhawk Golf Course - good courses, very expensive
  • The Boulders - too expensive, not worth the $, but go ahead if you want the views
  • Troon North - Play Pinnacle
  • We Ko Pa - the best of the bunch
  • Southern Dunes - 2nd best
Thanks for the help!


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 08:53 AM

You'll want to do 2 things stat OP.  First, pop over to the Southwest forum and take a look at the golf courses stickied thread.  Second, take Arizona Grand off your list.

That said, for your expensive round We-Ko-Pa Saguaro.  Southern Dunes doesn't really feel like a desert course but it would be my first ~$100 recommendation.  If you want a cheap "desert" course go with Aguila.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:48 AM

View PostMohigolf1207, on 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

Hi there guys,

This is my first post here as I mostly just comb the classifieds, but I figured this would be a good way to use the community.  

My Dad and I are going on vacation to Phoenix in December (right around Christmas) for a tournament out there, but we are going a few days early to play some golf out in the desert.  We have never played golf in the area so I've been combing through everything I can find to pick out some courses that look nice, but you guys are my last filter here before I start to make some decisions.

A few criteria I have for the courses I'm looking at are; I want to feel like I'm playing DESERT golf (i.e. I want to see some cacti just off the course), good course conditions (mostly talking about the putting surface here), and a challenging and interesting layout.  I have three days to play, MAYBE could play 36 in one day, but I am looking for 2 courses < $100 per player and one that can be a bit over that. With that said here are a few I took a look at that seem in my range, but if there is something I'm really missing out on feel free to let me know.
  • Longbow Golf Club
  • Estrella Golf Club
  • Las Sendas Golf Club
  • Foothills Golf Club
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course
  • The Boulders
  • Troon North
  • We Ko Pa
  • Southern Dunes
Thanks for the help!

We Ko Pa  :stop:

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 10:59 AM

View Postcrazy8golfer, on 23 November 2017 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostMohigolf1207, on 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

Hi there guys,

This is my first post here as I mostly just comb the classifieds, but I figured this would be a good way to use the community.  

My Dad and I are going on vacation to Phoenix in December (right around Christmas) for a tournament out there, but we are going a few days early to play some golf out in the desert.  We have never played golf in the area so I've been combing through everything I can find to pick out some courses that look nice, but you guys are my last filter here before I start to make some decisions.

A few criteria I have for the courses I'm looking at are; I want to feel like I'm playing DESERT golf (i.e. I want to see some cacti just off the course), good course conditions (mostly talking about the putting surface here), and a challenging and interesting layout.  I have three days to play, MAYBE could play 36 in one day, but I am looking for 2 courses < $100 per player and one that can be a bit over that. With that said here are a few I took a look at that seem in my range, but if there is something I'm really missing out on feel free to let me know.
  • Longbow Golf Club
  • Estrella Golf Club
  • Las Sendas Golf Club
  • Foothills Golf Club
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course
  • The Boulders
  • Troon North
  • We Ko Pa
  • Southern Dunes
Thanks for the help!

We Ko Pa  :stop:

Which course at We Ko Pa?  Feels like I'm hearing a lot abut Saguaro but why is that?  From the images on the website it seems to be the less remarkable of the two...
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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

Re We-Po-Ka just do it :).  I just posted in the Phoenix course conditions thread.  We played 36 holes on Tuesday and both courses are stunning.  I preferred the layout and challenge of Cholla better but Saguaro is more foregiving off the tee and was in better condition.  You really cannot go wrong with either.   If you are playing in the afternoon, grab a beer/cocktail on the  patio afterwards and hang around for sunset stunning!

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:41 AM

View PostMohigolf1207, on 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

  • Longbow Golf Club
  • Estrella Golf Club
  • Las Sendas Golf Club
  • Foothills Golf Club
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course
  • The Boulders
  • Troon North
  • We Ko Pa
  • Southern Dunes
Thanks for the help!

I've played six on your list and would put Boulders, Troon North and Las Sendas at the top.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 07:22 PM

View PostRoadking2003, on 23 November 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

View PostMohigolf1207, on 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

  • Longbow Golf Club
  • Estrella Golf Club
  • Las Sendas Golf Club
  • Foothills Golf Club
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course
  • The Boulders
  • Troon North
  • We Ko Pa
  • Southern Dunes
Thanks for the help!

I've played six on your list and would put Boulders, Troon North and Las Sendas at the top.


Very bad advice here!  Troon North is fine...but way off on Boulders and Las Sendas!


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:23 PM

View Postputtnforthe8, on 23 November 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 23 November 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

View PostMohigolf1207, on 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

  • Longbow Golf Club
  • Estrella Golf Club
  • Las Sendas Golf Club
  • Foothills Golf Club
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course
  • The Boulders
  • Troon North
  • We Ko Pa
  • Southern Dunes
Thanks for the help!

I've played six on your list and would put Boulders, Troon North and Las Sendas at the top.


Very bad advice here!  Troon North is fine...but way off on Boulders and Las Sendas!

Agree 100%. Boulders is ho hum neighborhood golf, Las Sendas is mediocre.

Also, seriously, Cholla is a barely mediocre golf course that is repetitive and boring with good views. Saguaro provides multiple strategic options and is the best public course in the area. Do not play Cholla unless you just love boring cart ball.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:34 AM

View Postaz2au, on 23 November 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

View Postputtnforthe8, on 23 November 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 23 November 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

View PostMohigolf1207, on 22 November 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

  • Longbow Golf Club
  • Estrella Golf Club
  • Las Sendas Golf Club
  • Foothills Golf Club
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course
  • The Boulders
  • Troon North
  • We Ko Pa
  • Southern Dunes
Thanks for the help!

I've played six on your list and would put Boulders, Troon North and Las Sendas at the top.


Very bad advice here!  Troon North is fine...but way off on Boulders and Las Sendas!

Agree 100%. Boulders is ho hum neighborhood golf, Las Sendas is mediocre.

Also, seriously, Cholla is a barely mediocre golf course that is repetitive and boring with good views. Saguaro provides multiple strategic options and is the best public course in the area. Do not play Cholla unless you just love boring cart ball.

Is Saguaro the Southwest course?  Im looking at it on Google Maps and I'm just looking at the southwest course at We Ko Pa and that's the one that looks the most intriguing
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:02 AM

Nope, SW is Cholla. Count the number of FWs that have something in the middle. Play whatever you like. I just think that Cholla is a very weak course in every way compared to Saguaro.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 05:10 AM

View Postaz2au, on 24 November 2017 - 01:02 AM, said:

Nope, SW is Cholla. Count the number of FWs that have something in the middle. Play whatever you like. I just think that Cholla is a very weak course in every way compared to Saguaro.

Well having played both recently in ideal conditions I would have to disagree with your take on Cholla vs Saguaro :) They are very different types of courses off of the tee so I can see how someone could favor one over the other.  Personally I ( and my son) preferred the more challenging tee shots on Cholla vs Saguaro.  For what it's worth, consensus amongst the staff I chatted with Was that Cholla was their favorite.  Just out of interest what other courses in the Area do you like?  We only saw Greyhawk and Wildfire on our trip.
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 08:05 AM

View PostMyShortGameSucks, on 24 November 2017 - 05:10 AM, said:

View Postaz2au, on 24 November 2017 - 01:02 AM, said:

Nope, SW is Cholla. Count the number of FWs that have something in the middle. Play whatever you like. I just think that Cholla is a very weak course in every way compared to Saguaro.

Well having played both recently in ideal conditions I would have to disagree with your take on Cholla vs Saguaro :) They are very different types of courses off of the tee so I can see how someone could favor one over the other.  Personally I ( and my son) preferred the more challenging tee shots on Cholla vs Saguaro.  For what it's worth, consensus amongst the staff I chatted with Was that Cholla was their favorite.  Just out of interest what other courses in the Area do you like?  We only saw Greyhawk and Wildfire on our trip.
I donít find the tee shots on Cholla particularly challenging but rather repetitive instead and I would tell you that I donít really know anyone that prefers Cholla but, as I always say, none of us are right on this stuff. It is all a matter of opinion.  Also, not sure which tees you were playing but my opinion is formed off the tips and that definitely can make a difference in the tee shots. There are several places on Saguaro where choosing the wrong side of the FW impacts ability to score substantially. 2 being the first example but the same can be said for 3, 6, 7, 10, 13, 14 and 16. I canít think of a place where anything other than being in the FW matters on Cholla although Iím sure there are circumstances where it would apply. I also find the par 3s superior at Saguaro.  

I generally agree with OPBís overall ranking in the SW forum with a couple of small exceptions. Cholla is definitely the top of that exceptions list.  http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/179150-traveling-to-phoenixsome-course-info-for-you/

Grayhawk (thereís no e) Raptor is one of the better public courses around here but it is behind both Saguaro and Troon North Pinnacle in my opinion.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:59 AM

For an out of towner (like myself), the courses we like to play include: Quintero, Cholla, Dinosaur Mtn., etc. Guys who live there are definitely looking for something different in their golf and I get that. I have played Saguaro, Talking Stick North, and a few others that are always recommended. I honestly find them boring... More well designed, walkable, and strategic? Yeah probably. But when I travel to play, I like playing something totally different from what I have where I am from. Yeah, courses like Quintero and Cholla are more gimmicky and contrived, and if I had to live and play there everyday my opinion might change too. The one suggestion that I took from the guys on here that cannot be argued with is Southern Dunes. It is awesome and I play there every time down. It is number 1 on my list too. But I am with the majority of the out of towners: I would play Quintero and Cholla over Saguara all day long. I like the courses at Troon North, Whirlwind, I like Dinosaur Mountain, I don't even mind Las Sendas (too expensive, too busy, and too many houses for what it is, but its kind of fun to play). I don't walking a priority when I am traveling to play, and I want something completely different. Up hill, down hill, side hill, mountains, elevation, fast greens, desert areas. Again, the priorities would change if I lived there and had to find places to play on a regular basis, but guys coming in from out of town typically want to see something different. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:15 PM

FWIW, I always recommend Quintero to our out of town visitors even though I think it is a legitimately bad golf course. I canít say the same for Dinosaur Mountain but depending on who I am talking to I will often throw it out there as well. Cholla, however, I just canít see with the same views and better course being next door.

Also, I always assume that no visitor will be walking even though I walk >95% of the time so that isnít a factor unless asked. Additionally, I have never recommended TSN to a visitor because I would assume they would find it boring. It is fine but nothing great. Iím spoiled and very fortunate, even though Iíve played all of these courses virtually 100% of my golf in a given year is played on private courses (easy to tell which ones by my avatar). So I generally only speak in terms of recommendations for visitors.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:39 PM

We Ko Pa is literally in the middle of the desert. If you don't want to be staring at homes along the course, the two courses here are the ones to play. 'Also very easy to get in 36 in one day. 'Probably a bit more expensive than you'd like, but worth it.

Southern Dunes would be my 2nd choice. A bit of a drive, but a solid layout with no homes in the area.

I'd didn't care for Longbow because of its location at the end of Falcon Field. 'Decent course, but I don't like Cessnas buzzing my head every few minutes.

I'd take the Troon North courses over Boulders or Grayhawk, but they still have too many homes around the courses for my liking.

Quintero isn't bad, but it's a bit of a hike from Scottsdale.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:51 PM

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FWIW, I always recommend Quintero to our out of town visitors even though I think it is a legitimately bad golf course. I can't say the same for Dinosaur Mountain but depending on who I am talking to I will often throw it out there as well. Cholla, however, I just can't see with the same views and better course being next door.

Also, I always assume that no visitor will be walking even though I walk >95% of the time so that isn't a factor unless asked. Additionally, I have never recommended TSN to a visitor because I would assume they would find it boring. It is fine but nothing great. I'm spoiled and very fortunate, even though I've played all of these courses virtually 100% of my golf in a given year is played on private courses (easy to tell which ones by my avatar). So I generally only speak in terms of recommendations for visitors.

No, all of that is fair, and I agree with you: opinions are just that, nobody is right or wrong. I just think there is a massive divide between what the locals like and what out of towners like me like, for various reasons. By the way, I will be staying and playing at Diamante in February. I cannot wait and am really looking forward to it. Any tips or suggestions? We have times booked at Tigers course, DL III's course, and I guess there is a short par 3 course.
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:17 PM

View Postmikedejong, on 24 November 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

View Postaz2au, on 24 November 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

FWIW, I always recommend Quintero to our out of town visitors even though I think it is a legitimately bad golf course. I can't say the same for Dinosaur Mountain but depending on who I am talking to I will often throw it out there as well. Cholla, however, I just can't see with the same views and better course being next door.

Also, I always assume that no visitor will be walking even though I walk >95% of the time so that isn't a factor unless asked. Additionally, I have never recommended TSN to a visitor because I would assume they would find it boring. It is fine but nothing great. I'm spoiled and very fortunate, even though I've played all of these courses virtually 100% of my golf in a given year is played on private courses (easy to tell which ones by my avatar). So I generally only speak in terms of recommendations for visitors.

No, all of that is fair, and I agree with you: opinions are just that, nobody is right or wrong. I just think there is a massive divide between what the locals like and what out of towners like me like, for various reasons. By the way, I will be staying and playing at Diamante in February. I cannot wait and am really looking forward to it. Any tips or suggestions? We have times booked at Tigers course, DL III's course, and I guess there is a short par 3 course.

Iíll be there tomorrow through 12/2 so I will send you a bunch of up to date info as I havenít been down since May. The Oasis course is the short course. We havenít played it yet but taking the in laws out there Monday or Tuesday.


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#21 mikedejong

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:23 PM

View Postaz2au, on 24 November 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

View Postmikedejong, on 24 November 2017 - 12:51 PM, said:

View Postaz2au, on 24 November 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

FWIW, I always recommend Quintero to our out of town visitors even though I think it is a legitimately bad golf course. I can't say the same for Dinosaur Mountain but depending on who I am talking to I will often throw it out there as well. Cholla, however, I just can't see with the same views and better course being next door.

Also, I always assume that no visitor will be walking even though I walk >95% of the time so that isn't a factor unless asked. Additionally, I have never recommended TSN to a visitor because I would assume they would find it boring. It is fine but nothing great. I'm spoiled and very fortunate, even though I've played all of these courses virtually 100% of my golf in a given year is played on private courses (easy to tell which ones by my avatar). So I generally only speak in terms of recommendations for visitors.

No, all of that is fair, and I agree with you: opinions are just that, nobody is right or wrong. I just think there is a massive divide between what the locals like and what out of towners like me like, for various reasons. By the way, I will be staying and playing at Diamante in February. I cannot wait and am really looking forward to it. Any tips or suggestions? We have times booked at Tigers course, DL III's course, and I guess there is a short par 3 course.

I'll be there tomorrow through 12/2 so I will send you a bunch of up to date info as I haven't been down since May. The Oasis course is the short course. We haven't played it yet but taking the in laws out there Monday or Tuesday.

Sounds great, thank you. Have fun and play well! I look forward to hearing some stories and seeing some pictures maybe.
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:37 PM

One of my favorite courses is Dinosaur Mountain.  You'll get different opinions from AZ crowd and I'm ducking as I'm posting but its one of my favorite tracks.  The Raven at Verrado is also top notch.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:39 PM

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Nope, SW is Cholla. Count the number of FWs that have something in the middle. Play whatever you like. I just think that Cholla is a very weak course in every way compared to Saguaro.

Well having played both recently in ideal conditions I would have to disagree with your take on Cholla vs Saguaro :) They are very different types of courses off of the tee so I can see how someone could favor one over the other.  Personally I ( and my son) preferred the more challenging tee shots on Cholla vs Saguaro.  For what it's worth, consensus amongst the staff I chatted with Was that Cholla was their favorite.  Just out of interest what other courses in the Area do you like?  We only saw Greyhawk and Wildfire on our trip.
I don't find the tee shots on Cholla particularly challenging but rather repetitive instead and I would tell you that I don't really know anyone that prefers Cholla but, as I always say, none of us are right on this stuff. It is all a matter of opinion.  Also, not sure which tees you were playing but my opinion is formed off the tips and that definitely can make a difference in the tee shots. There are several places on Saguaro where choosing the wrong side of the FW impacts ability to score substantially. 2 being the first example but the same can be said for 3, 6, 7, 10, 13, 14 and 16. I can't think of a place where anything other than being in the FW matters on Cholla although I'm sure there are circumstances where it would apply. I also find the par 3s superior at Saguaro.  

I generally agree with OPB's overall ranking in the SW forum with a couple of small exceptions. Cholla is definitely the top of that exceptions list.  http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/179150-traveling-to-phoenixsome-course-info-for-you/

Grayhawk (there's no e) Raptor is one of the better public courses around here but it is behind both Saguaro and Troon North Pinnacle in my opinion.

AZ2AU is not wrong RE Cholla

Part of the problem with my ranking is not necessarily Cholla itself, it is a decent, but not a great course, Improving 8 helped it. The rankings start to really show once you get outside the top 5 there really is not that much "great" public golf in PHX. I mean Monument is the only one I could realistically see moving up a spot to overtake it. Talon got a bump down because it has an island green. The original layout at Verde River may have been worthy of being above Cholla too but not in Verde's current form. As a whole my rotations at Wekopa has been something like 100 rounds on Saguaro and 15 maybe 20 on Cholla. Those rounds are usually at request of out of state friends or during Saguaro maintenance windows.    

Also I would not take what the staff has to say at face value, pretty sure I have heard them say the opposite when people come back in saying how much they like Saguaro.
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Posted 24 November 2017 - 05:42 PM

Southern Dunes, don't miss it, and it won't break the bank. I think you will find it desert-y enough for what you are looking for.  Play both at Wekopa (if you can afford them, they aren't really in your described budget for December), then you can form your own opinion - they are as pure desert golf as you are going to get. No question Saguaro is the better course, from a strategic golf standpoint - it's really not close. But Cholla has its charms, and for visitors it is memorable. Same for Quintero - a poor course from a strategic standpoint but one that visitors (and some locals) rave about, and it's not usually uber expensive because of the drive.  Wickenburg Ranch hasn't been mentioned - the views aren't as good as Quintero's but it is a fun layout and always in pristine condition (as Quintero usually is).

You can also consider the muni's - Papago and Aguila - much better choices than Estrella, Las Sendas, Foothills, and Arizona Grand.

As for the others on your list:
  • Longbow Golf Club - I like it, it is desert golf, and I enjoy the planes because there are lots of vintage planes, not just all Cessna's or commercial. Importantly, probably in your budget.
  • Estrella Golf Club - it's okay, not in the same conversation as the ones above
  • Las Sendas Golf Club - AWFUL, just AWFUL
  • Foothills Golf Club - not a destination course
  • Arizona Grand Golf Course - not a destination course
  • Grayhawk Golf Course - not in budget, but if was, great desert golf
  • The Boulders - not in budget, but never play there instead of Grayhawk or Troon or Wekopa
  • Troon North - not in budget, great desert golf (courses slightly better than Grayhawk, on par with Wekopa)

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 06:35 PM

Lol. I must have had an off day with Longbow. 'Didn't see a single vintage plane. It wasn't as bad as the Champions course at TPC, though. There was nothing but a steady stream of Learjets when I played there. Boooooring.


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Posted 25 November 2017 - 02:15 AM

View Postaz2au, on 24 November 2017 - 01:02 AM, said:

Nope, SW is Cholla. Count the number of FWs that have something in the middle. Play whatever you like. I just think that Cholla is a very weak course in every way compared to Saguaro.

I agree. My 10 round split
Saguaro 8
Cholla 2

Almost went 9-1. A course like gcu is an avg muni but no holes I dislike. Cholla has 3-4 very bad golf holes imho. Way too many split fairways. Contrived cart golf . Saguaro has half pars, width, variety & options!

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:36 AM

My take on Cholla vs. Saguaro

The locals' perspective comes from repeat plays.

Cholla is a course that gets less enjoyable the more times you play it.  The visual attraction of the natural setting gives way to the realization that the routing and siting yields a lot of "do-or-die" types of shots where slight misses can be severely penalized, and a less strategic one-dimensional-ness (is that a word?).  The cart-ball nature of the routing actually becomes annoying.

Saguaro, on the other hand, gets better with more plays.  The type of course with subtlety and nuance that is discovered with repeated visits.  A lot of fun figuring out different ways to play the holes and thereby much more interesting. The layout is very generous and generally less-penal.

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 03:17 PM

I think itís funny that people are debating the two course at We Ko Pa. As a new local here (again), anyone should be lucky enough just to come to the valley and get to play here. There are not many places in the U.S. that has this many amazing courses.

So I will chime in, yes, Saguaro is a better course than Cholla, but they are both in amazing condition with great views and each have their character.

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 04:53 PM

Out of stater who visits about three times and has a Wekopass it is prolly 6 on Saguaro and 2 on Cholla for me 10 years ago it might of been an even split so I agree with a lot of the comments above
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Posted 25 November 2017 - 07:43 PM

I'd put Verde River on your short list. Desert layout. Fun track, overseed went well, and you've got to take a drive thru the desert just to get to the course.


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