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#1 joshsparham

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 02:24 PM

Anyone had success keeping their right knee from working out to the ball in transition/downswing.  I am working on getting better hip action, but my right knee keeps working out towards the ball.  I don't want it sliding towards the target either.

Any successful feels or videos?


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:04 PM

 joshsparham, on 14 November 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

Anyone had success keeping their right knee from working out to the ball in transition/downswing.  I am working on getting better hip action, but my right knee keeps working out towards the ball.  I don't want it sliding towards the target either.

Any successful feels or videos?

The basket drill is quite popular although I have more luck with getting the right hip deep and trying very hard to not let it move at all
It moves back briefly then it has to let go and rotate

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:22 PM

Kelvin Miyahira calls it the marching move in his videos.  That's always been a good visual for me.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:54 PM

The answer for most is all about getting the right glutes (left as well) to fire in Transition. That allows left knee to move away from right knee into the bow-legged look that Snead excelled at. Maintaining some external rotation pressure in right leg, along with squatting one inch or so into right knee, are two other essential parts of this swing segment.

If right glutes dont fire hard, you have no stability in the lower body, which causes right knee to push outward.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:51 PM

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

The answer for most is all about getting the right glutes (left as well) to fire in Transition. That allows left knee to move away from right knee into the bow-legged look that Snead excelled at. Maintaining some external rotation pressure in right leg, along with squatting one inch or so into right knee, are two other essential parts of this swing segment.

If right glutes dont fire hard, you have no stability in the lower body, which causes right knee to push outward.

This really makes some sense to me.  I have been working on getting the left knee to separate and rotate out but not thinking of the right at all.  Are you saying it should feel like the right is rotating externally at the same time? That would make some sense


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 07:09 PM

 joshsparham, on 14 November 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

The answer for most is all about getting the right glutes (left as well) to fire in Transition. That allows left knee to move away from right knee into the bow-legged look that Snead excelled at. Maintaining some external rotation pressure in right leg, along with squatting one inch or so into right knee, are two other essential parts of this swing segment.

If right glutes dont fire hard, you have no stability in the lower body, which causes right knee to push outward.

This really makes some sense to me.  I have been working on getting the left knee to separate and rotate out but not thinking of the right at all.  Are you saying it should feel like the right is rotating externally at the same time? That would make some sense

Yes on the right leg rotation. It is part of my Lower Body Postural Brace. You create it at Setup, and increase the pressure on the right leg during Transition. It helps with firing the right glutes too.

I had this issue in my own swing a few years ago, and PT and deep tissue massage helped me to free up the glutes and get them to fire more easily. Makes a huge difference!

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:53 PM

 joshsparham, on 14 November 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

Anyone had success keeping their right knee from working out to the ball in transition/downswing.  I am working on getting better hip action, but my right knee keeps working out towards the ball.  I don't want it sliding towards the target either.

Any successful feels or videos?

The right knee should go forward with the left knee and regain flex which means it will be working towards the ball as well.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 11:55 AM

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

 joshsparham, on 14 November 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

The answer for most is all about getting the right glutes (left as well) to fire in Transition. That allows left knee to move away from right knee into the bow-legged look that Snead excelled at. Maintaining some external rotation pressure in right leg, along with squatting one inch or so into right knee, are two other essential parts of this swing segment.

If right glutes dont fire hard, you have no stability in the lower body, which causes right knee to push outward.

This really makes some sense to me.  I have been working on getting the left knee to separate and rotate out but not thinking of the right at all.  Are you saying it should feel like the right is rotating externally at the same time? That would make some sense

Yes on the right leg rotation. It is part of my Lower Body Postural Brace. You create it at Setup, and increase the pressure on the right leg during Transition. It helps with firing the right glutes too.

I had this issue in my own swing a few years ago, and PT and deep tissue massage helped me to free up the glutes and get them to fire more easily. Makes a huge difference!

I really struggle with this, I have been trying to counteract it by just getting the arms moving faster to get more synced up.  I can do it in slow motion, but can't prevent the overactive right knee in a full swing.  I always thought it was a hit impulse, but maybe I am lacking core, glute, and hip flexor strength.  I sit an office chair and I have feeling this contributes to the poor posture problem.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 11:58 AM

Anyone getting a sore right knee trying to do this?  It almost feels like I'm grinding the right knee into the ground in the transition.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 12:40 PM

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

 joshsparham, on 14 November 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

The answer for most is all about getting the right glutes (left as well) to fire in Transition. That allows left knee to move away from right knee into the bow-legged look that Snead excelled at. Maintaining some external rotation pressure in right leg, along with squatting one inch or so into right knee, are two other essential parts of this swing segment.

If right glutes dont fire hard, you have no stability in the lower body, which causes right knee to push outward.

This really makes some sense to me.  I have been working on getting the left knee to separate and rotate out but not thinking of the right at all.  Are you saying it should feel like the right is rotating externally at the same time? That would make some sense

Yes on the right leg rotation. It is part of my Lower Body Postural Brace. You create it at Setup, and increase the pressure on the right leg during Transition. It helps with firing the right glutes too.

I had this issue in my own swing a few years ago, and PT and deep tissue massage helped me to free up the glutes and get them to fire more easily. Makes a huge difference!

Forgive me for being dense , but what does firing the glutes actually mean ?

I can’t really feel what you are talking about , although when i sit on my couch , lift up my right leg, I notice my right glute contracts when I turn my right foot clockwise . Is this the feel ?

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 01:04 PM

I've been working on this with the basket between the legs drills, but it just feels so awkward for me. It feels like I can get the basket to drop but then I just flip my hands at the ball and do not get any rotation of the hips. I like the idea of trying to feel like the right hip stays back, and the left pelvis just stretches forward. Anyone have any videos or drills to match that thought?

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 01:13 PM

George Gankas teaches this move as one of his core fundamentals.  See his instagram or Youtube videos for details.  IMO, the best at describing how this works.

What helps me is to feel, right at transition, that my pressure stays in my right heel as my left knee starts opening up.  At the point you get to around P6,  your front knee should feel open, while pressure is transferring to the outside edge of that front foot.  This is as far as you need to keep that rear knee from going internal.  Just push off from there.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 09:09 PM

 starsail85, on 15 November 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

 joshsparham, on 14 November 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

 Jim Waldron, on 14 November 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

The answer for most is all about getting the right glutes (left as well) to fire in Transition. That allows left knee to move away from right knee into the bow-legged look that Snead excelled at. Maintaining some external rotation pressure in right leg, along with squatting one inch or so into right knee, are two other essential parts of this swing segment.

If right glutes dont fire hard, you have no stability in the lower body, which causes right knee to push outward.

This really makes some sense to me.  I have been working on getting the left knee to separate and rotate out but not thinking of the right at all.  Are you saying it should feel like the right is rotating externally at the same time? That would make some sense

Yes on the right leg rotation. It is part of my Lower Body Postural Brace. You create it at Setup, and increase the pressure on the right leg during Transition. It helps with firing the right glutes too.

I had this issue in my own swing a few years ago, and PT and deep tissue massage helped me to free up the glutes and get them to fire more easily. Makes a huge difference!

Forgive me for being dense , but what does firing the glutes actually mean ?

I can't really feel what you are talking about , although when i sit on my couch , lift up my right leg, I notice my right glute contracts when I turn my right foot clockwise . Is this the feel ?

Firing the glute means contracting that muscle to the proper degree of tonus. Sometimes they are not firing enough to provide stability to your posture - and not just in the golf swing, in life. More common as you get older. Various exercises designed to switch on that muscle - bridges are one. Rotating the leg will tend to increase the glutes firing. Basically those two things plus the knee squat create better "grounding" during Transition.

Covered in depth in my new video Module 7 on Balance, which will be available in the next week or so.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 11:06 PM

let me help simplify all this mumbo jumbo.  Get the hips working correctly and the knees will do what they need to do in order to support it.  

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:21 AM

I'm not sure if I'll ever completely get rid of my right knee straightening a bit on the DS. My next lesson with Jim we are going to work on lower body action. But until then I've had some good success with just letting both ankles roll laterally towards the target rather than pushing or twisting the the feet too early.


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Posted 19 November 2017 - 07:44 AM

 bogeypro, on 15 November 2017 - 11:06 PM, said:

let me help simplify all this mumbo jumbo.  Get the hips working correctly and the knees will do what they need to do in order to support it.  

https://www.youtube....h?v=NNwSfz0_KDM

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 10:42 AM

Here’s how I️ve worked on fixing my right knee going towards the ball: 1) Lay an alignment stick along your toe line. Think about keeping your right knee inside the alignment stick on the downswing. 2) In transition, feel the pressure go along the length of your right foot(roll your right foot) forcing your right knee towards your left.  In other words, the pressure in your right foot rolls to the inside instep before you roll up to your toe.

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