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How Do You Play A Bunker Shot With Little Or No Sand Under The Ball?


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:15 AM

I once played a golf course which apparently had a very poor superintendents' budget because they did not buy sand for their bunkers.  Many, many greenside bunkers had so little sand I would estimate less than a half inch or even a quarter inch of sand under the ball.  It was so scary our group avoided greenside bunkers like OB.  I couldn't use a standard bunker technique, so what I tried was to almost square up the face to use more of the leading edge to dig more behind the ball, but even that didn't work--bladed shot flew fifty yards over the green.  Then I tried using a pitch shot method, but that little bit of sand behind the ball was enough to fluff it and leave it in the bunker.  How do you guys play this type of shot?


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:42 AM

Do it twice. :cheesy:


Where I practice there is an area of hard pan right next to the practice chipping green.  I spend a lot of time practicing hitting various shots off it because I like to put a lot of pressure on my practice.  I'm to the point where i can semi reliably (about 50-60% of the time) hit a "flopish" type shot (club face open on my 58/12 wedge) off hard pan.  It just takes a lot of practice so find someplace you can practice chipping/pitching off hard pan and go from there.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:44 AM

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:08 PM

You’ve got to get cute.  Contact with the sand has to be almost right underneath the ball, because your margin for error is now quite small.  Stay shallow, because the steeper you get the club will just bounce off the firm base and you’ll blade it.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:18 PM

Square face low speed.  Manage your expectations

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:21 PM

Most lofted/least bounce wedge... square to maybe even a hint closed. Pick it like you might any other really tight fairway lie. If you have to get over a really big/tall lip... My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:36 PM

actually, if there still is sand player can be quite aggressive in using the flange / bounce to the surface. Nipping the ball is fairly easy with a short flanged high bounced wedge.  
I truly fear the opposite: too much sand in the bunker.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:59 PM

I choose my low bounce 58 degree wedge. I still open my stance and club face, just maybe not quite as much.  I take a shorter backswing than normal and still try to blast the shot out hitting about 1 inch behind the ball instead of 2 or 3 inches.  Expect the ball to come out faster.  Don't decelerate.  Shorter backswing and splash it out like you mean it.

I do a similar shot when the sand looks fluffy, but has moisture about a 1/2" underneath it.

If the sand is nice and fluffy, I choose my high bounce 54 degree wedge and hit 2 inches behind the ball with a wide open stance.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 02:42 PM

Why can't it be played like a normal chip shot?
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

My club has some truly horrid bunkers, and some good ones. Basically, I've had to resort to learning the consistent chunk and run to play most of my sand shots (without a steep lip). Square the face, back in the stance, half swing, with speed.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:09 PM

View Postdg_1983, on 14 November 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

Why can't it be played like a normal chip shot?

You can.  In reality you should do what ever you can get most comfortable with.

My dad play's on muni's with very low lipped bunkers.  They are generally low on sand and very hard.  Combine this with the fact he has the bunker yips (it's really terrible to watch).  So he putts out of a lot of bunkers.  Rarely gets up & down but for him 3 shots into the hole from a bunker is a win.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:30 PM

Believe it or not, I actually practiced hitting balls off concrete when I was much younger.

Made really tight lies (and the OP's slight sand bunker) really easy to play.

But, then again, I was never OCD about the look of my clubs. I just wanted to be able to hit the shot necessary at the proper time.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:53 PM

Pick a high bounce wedge and the put the ball well forward in your stance with a squarish face. Thump the sand and don't rehinge the club.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:39 PM

Phil Mickelson says 'put more weight on front foot'...............your welcome.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:19 AM

As Jut said....square face and less speed which for me feels like almost half of what i would need for a normal shot.....most bunkers here in AZ have very little sand in them so I have become accustomed to this shot....it's actually not that hard as long as the lip isn't really high.  I also use my highest lofted wedge with the most bounce

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:38 AM

View PostNard_S, on 15 November 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

Phil Mickelson says 'put more weight on front foot'...............your welcome.

that isn't answer.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:53 AM

When faced with this type of shot I setup like I normally would a bunker shot but attempt to come in steeper and harder than normal. This is the same technique I'll use to hit from dirt lies around the green. Pretty much digging into the ground and using it the same as I normally would sand.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:55 AM

View PostEmperorPenguin, on 14 November 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

I once played a golf course which apparently had a very poor superintendents' budget because they did not buy sand for their bunkers.
Same here. A local course was being run be a lessee and toward the end of his tenure he was running it down. My buddy and I addressed the problem (he he) by treating the bunkers like water hazards. We even took the penalty. It was a little harsh on us but it was only social golf and it was better than damaging our clubs or our wrists while not unduly assisting us.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:23 AM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 16 November 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 15 November 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

Phil Mickelson says 'put more weight on front foot'...............your welcome.

that isn't answer.

On GC show last evening,  Phil was asked how he plays different types of bunker shots including a hard pan type. he said the only change makes (in all of them) is how he presets his weight. To get leading edge under the ball & pick more cleanly, his distribution is most forward for that one..........we're talking Phil, not a WRX'er so I was being tongue n' cheek on the 'you're welcome' part.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:24 AM

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:32 AM

View PostNard_S, on 16 November 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 16 November 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 15 November 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

Phil Mickelson says 'put more weight on front foot'...............your welcome.

that isn't answer.

On GC show last evening,  Phil was asked how he plays different types of bunker shots including a hard pan type. he said the only change makes (in all of them) is how he presets his weight. To get leading edge under the ball & pick more cleanly, his distribution is most forward for that one..........we're talking Phil, not a WRX'er so I was being tongue n' cheek on the 'you're welcome' part.

This is good advice...and easily testable.  Good for balls in divots and other tight lies as well.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:51 AM

View Postoikos1, on 16 November 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 16 November 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 16 November 2017 - 10:38 AM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 15 November 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

Phil Mickelson says 'put more weight on front foot'...............your welcome.

that isn't answer.

On GC show last evening,  Phil was asked how he plays different types of bunker shots including a hard pan type. he said the only change makes (in all of them) is how he presets his weight. To get leading edge under the ball & pick more cleanly, his distribution is most forward for that one..........we're talking Phil, not a WRX'er so I was being tongue n' cheek on the 'you're welcome' part.

This is good advice...and easily testable.  Good for balls in divots and other tight lies as well.

Rings very true to me because my local course had dirt bunkers for 15 years till they rebuilt them this spring.Nipping is only proper way out

Real surprise is weight distribution is all he changes , setup and swing is the same for all, go figure.

The show was Short Game Lessons from Legends or (President Cup Legends) something to that effect, the putting segment was real good, one of the best I've ever seen.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:58 AM

View Postbaudi, on 14 November 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

actually, if there still is sand player can be quite aggressive in using the flange / bounce to the surface. Nipping the ball is fairly easy with a short flanged high bounced wedge.  
I truly fear the opposite: too much sand in the bunker.

I agree with this.  I'd rather a bunker have too little sand than too much--easier shot IMO.  Get shallow and use an aggressive swing.  Allow for less spin/more run out.   Don't overthink it.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 12:53 PM

Shorter, firmer swing.

IF the sand is really hard, try using a Pitching wedge, open face.  The lack of flange can be helpful.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 06:31 PM

The advice here seems good, but out of curiosity, what is that hard stuff under the sand?  I think it is laid out like clay and it hardens over time?  I don't think it is compacted sand.  This stuff is not diggable, I don't think.  So we hit down harder and gouge out this clay stuff and hopefully the ball will ride on top of that?


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 06:59 PM

Here's Lee Trevino demonstrating how he gets out in these type of bunkers. Go to the 20 second mark of this video. He leans more left as well like Mickelson. I think it's to promote a steeper attack.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:41 PM

View PostEmperorPenguin, on 16 November 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

The advice here seems good, but out of curiosity, what is that hard stuff under the sand?  I think it is laid out like clay and it hardens over time?  I don't think it is compacted sand.  This stuff is not diggable, I don't think.  So we hit down harder and gouge out this clay stuff and hopefully the ball will ride on top of that?

You got a soil sample?

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:43 PM

View Postoikos1, on 16 November 2017 - 07:41 PM, said:

View PostEmperorPenguin, on 16 November 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

The advice here seems good, but out of curiosity, what is that hard stuff under the sand?  I think it is laid out like clay and it hardens over time?  I don't think it is compacted sand.  This stuff is not diggable, I don't think.  So we hit down harder and gouge out this clay stuff and hopefully the ball will ride on top of that?

You got a soil sample?

I will simply have to ask my local superintendent when I next see him.  I think this is the stuff that is used when the bunker is first built.  First the soil is removed, then a clay-like substance is laid out on the bottom and smoothed out and hardened, then the sand is poured on top and evenly distributed.  Maybe a superintendent here can chime in and tell us what this substance is.

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:49 PM

Here is a video of a bunker being built.  You can see there are some drains in the bunker, but you can see here this clay-like material I'm talking about.  

https://www.youtube....h?v=RkTs9XxH1wA

What I have been saying is that sometimes there is so little sand under the ball you are left to play a shot from off this stuff.

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 08:38 AM

View PostEmperorPenguin, on 16 November 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

The advice here seems good, but out of curiosity, what is that hard stuff under the sand?  I think it is laid out like clay and it hardens over time?  I don't think it is compacted sand.  This stuff is not diggable, I don't think.  So we hit down harder and gouge out this clay stuff and hopefully the ball will ride on top of that?

That's what I do. I hit this same type of shot from poor lies around the green where I intentionally take up turf under the ball.

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