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Mizuno's ST 180 driver: 2017 RSM Classic


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#1 GolfWRX

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:36 PM

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:51 PM

JPX 850 hybrid... one of the best.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:55 PM

looks sharp
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:56 PM

It's pretty. No sliding rails is nice. That weight port all the way in the back must mean this particular model is for the average golfer looking for high ball flight.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

Very nice looking

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:08 PM

I like it!  Nice head and face shape.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:09 PM

View PostKingcat990, on 13 November 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

It's pretty. No sliding rails is nice. That weight port all the way in the back must mean this particular model is for the average golfer looking for high ball flight.

It is high launch, low spin yes but I wouldn't say it was targeted at the average golfer. It's basically their version of Sub Zero. Rory used the Sub Zero.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:29 PM

I really like this.    Pulled the trigger on 2016 m2 to quickly!

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:35 PM

Any idea what kind of thin crown tech they are using if indeed this is a sub-zero/LTD CG location type driver?

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:38 PM

Its been out for a week.  Its a great driver.  Already have it in my bag.  Definitely anti-left and very long with low spin.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:53 PM

View Postodshot68, on 13 November 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

Its been out for a week.  Its a great driver.  Already have it in my bag.  Definitely anti-left and very long with low spin.
Anti left because of the face sitting open or that the head is just fade biased in general?
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:57 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 13 November 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

View Postodshot68, on 13 November 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

Its been out for a week.  Its a great driver.  Already have it in my bag.  Definitely anti-left and very long with low spin.
Anti left because of the face sitting open or that the head is just fade biased in general?

I feel the head is fade biased.  I actually have it in the upright setting.  My previous M1 and M2 both went left on me with many shafts.  This one does not.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:42 PM

That's a lot of driver heads in the tour van drawer seeing has how none of their staffers actually play Mizuno drivers....


Just kidding Mizuno, had to do it  :cheesy: .  I love my JPX900!

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:54 PM

Can't wait to get my hands on this thing...
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:13 PM

I hope it sucks FOR ME! I hope the JPX 900 is better FOR ME! My wallet is already scared just looking at these beauts... 😨

Ugh..

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:43 PM

Great TV pictures and thanks for sharing!  I have my ST driver and 3 metal ordered. Canít wait to get some buckets on them!
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:46 PM

View PostBlackM00Nlight, on 13 November 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

I hope it sucks FOR ME! I hope the JPX 900 is better FOR ME! My wallet is already scared just looking at these beauts... 😨

Ugh..

I hoped for this too...Make sure you donít go hit it lol

Edited by evoviiiyou, 13 November 2017 - 05:52 PM.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:59 PM

I wish they would release tensei in their hybrid shafts.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:13 PM

View Postodshot68, on 13 November 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 13 November 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

View Postodshot68, on 13 November 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

Its been out for a week.  Its a great driver.  Already have it in my bag.  Definitely anti-left and very long with low spin.
Anti left because of the face sitting open or that the head is just fade biased in general?

I feel the head is fade biased.  I actually have it in the upright setting.  My previous M1 and M2 both went left on me with many shafts.  This one does not.

I found going with a higher lofted M1/2 and then delofting helps open the face a bit.  But ultimately I wound up with Tour Issue heads all open faced.  That way when a retail head would go hard left the Tour head goes left but findable and playable. Then the high-long cut is even more fun.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:18 PM

Sweet looking driver.   I'd give that a try.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:57 PM

Wow, that looks great at address.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:38 PM

First driver from an OEM not named TM or Ping that I have been interested in a long time.

I know the youtube crowd has several up, but does anyone here have comparisons/reviews?
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 12:27 AM

I have hit 917 D2 & D3's along with some older model Titleist drives that I thought I hit pretty well...none of them flew as straight as my JPX 900.  I'm guessing this driver will be just as good if not better.  Personally I think Mizuno drivers are underappreciated.  Just my .02...
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 03:14 AM

The blue looks really good.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:24 AM

I went down to Carls yesterday specifically to look at the ST180.  I've read some comments that the face looks closed.  When I picked it up it was in the 10.5D position and did look slightly closed but then looked perfectly square at 9.5D and also square at 10.5DU which seemed sort of odd.  The shape is not for me, I had a Cobra F6 and while the ST180 footprint isn't that big its still substantial.  I like blue on drivers and the ST180 has a real quality look to it with the matte finish, having said that I'm not sure I'd want to be looking at that shade of blue all the time.  The sound was an absolute killer for me, it was completely unexpected because I always associate Mizuno with being traditional and understated.  Hit it with the Tensei Blue which is not the smoothest shaft I've ever hit.  I was hitting agains the G400 (10.5 lofted down to 9.5) with Tour shaft and the 917 D2 (10.5 set to A1) with Diamana Blue 60 - the ST180 I had set at 10.5.  I was hitting outside and just watching ball flight.  ST180 launch was lower than G400 in the neutral setting, about the same when I lofted the Ping down.  ST180 was noticeably lower than D2.  Longest driver of the three was G400, followed by ST180 then D2.  For me the ST180 had the widest dispersion with G400 being the most accurate (by a wide margin).

I'm going to hit the ST180 one more time before making a final decision, but I don't think its for me.  Nothing wrong with it but I tend to gravitate more to drivers that have a more compact appearance, I also wouldn't put and M1/M2 in my bag.  The D2 is my limit for size of footprint and optically the ST180 seemed bigger.  I could live with the sound off my F6 but the ST180 might be a bit too much.

I just reread my comments here and realized they are all pretty negative.  Just to be clear, the ST180 didn't match up with my preferences when it comes to a driver.  That's not to say there won't be lots of guys who will be extremely happy with it.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:33 AM

Its probably awesome with technological advancements and it looks nice, but its tough to sell it when their own brand ambassador is playing a TM driver.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:15 PM

View PostTommyj, on 15 November 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:

I went down to Carls yesterday specifically to look at the ST180.  I've read some comments that the face looks closed.  When I picked it up it was in the 10.5D position and did look slightly closed but then looked perfectly square at 9.5D and also square at 10.5DU which seemed sort of odd.  The shape is not for me, I had a Cobra F6 and while the ST180 footprint isn't that big its still substantial.  I like blue on drivers and the ST180 has a real quality look to it with the matte finish, having said that I'm not sure I'd want to be looking at that shade of blue all the time.  The sound was an absolute killer for me, it was completely unexpected because I always associate Mizuno with being traditional and understated.  Hit it with the Tensei Blue which is not the smoothest shaft I've ever hit.  I was hitting agains the G400 (10.5 lofted down to 9.5) with Tour shaft and the 917 D2 (10.5 set to A1) with Diamana Blue 60 - the ST180 I had set at 10.5.  I was hitting outside and just watching ball flight.  ST180 launch was lower than G400 in the neutral setting, about the same when I lofted the Ping down.  ST180 was noticeably lower than D2.  Longest driver of the three was G400, followed by ST180 then D2.  For me the ST180 had the widest dispersion with G400 being the most accurate (by a wide margin).

I'm going to hit the ST180 one more time before making a final decision, but I don't think its for me.  Nothing wrong with it but I tend to gravitate more to drivers that have a more compact appearance, I also wouldn't put and M1/M2 in my bag.  The D2 is my limit for size of footprint and optically the ST180 seemed bigger.  I could live with the sound off my F6 but the ST180 might be a bit too much.

I just reread my comments here and realized they are all pretty negative.  Just to be clear, the ST180 didn't match up with my preferences when it comes to a driver.  That's not to say there won't be lots of guys who will be extremely happy with it.

Thanks for sharing!  When I lived in Michigan, Carlís on Telegraph was my goto driver testing range.  

You should hit it with the Kuro Kage Dual Core Silver 60. Will keep spin down and launch higher than the Tensei CK Blue 60 also feels smoother from my testing.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:19 PM

I also hated the tensei blue 60. The blue 70x was a whole different combination.  Blew away the silver for me
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:19 AM

View Postevoviiiyou, on 15 November 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

View PostTommyj, on 15 November 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:

I went down to Carls yesterday specifically to look at the ST180.  I've read some comments that the face looks closed.  When I picked it up it was in the 10.5D position and did look slightly closed but then looked perfectly square at 9.5D and also square at 10.5DU which seemed sort of odd.  The shape is not for me, I had a Cobra F6 and while the ST180 footprint isn't that big its still substantial.  I like blue on drivers and the ST180 has a real quality look to it with the matte finish, having said that I'm not sure I'd want to be looking at that shade of blue all the time.  The sound was an absolute killer for me, it was completely unexpected because I always associate Mizuno with being traditional and understated.  Hit it with the Tensei Blue which is not the smoothest shaft I've ever hit.  I was hitting agains the G400 (10.5 lofted down to 9.5) with Tour shaft and the 917 D2 (10.5 set to A1) with Diamana Blue 60 - the ST180 I had set at 10.5.  I was hitting outside and just watching ball flight.  ST180 launch was lower than G400 in the neutral setting, about the same when I lofted the Ping down.  ST180 was noticeably lower than D2.  Longest driver of the three was G400, followed by ST180 then D2.  For me the ST180 had the widest dispersion with G400 being the most accurate (by a wide margin).

I'm going to hit the ST180 one more time before making a final decision, but I don't think its for me.  Nothing wrong with it but I tend to gravitate more to drivers that have a more compact appearance, I also wouldn't put and M1/M2 in my bag.  The D2 is my limit for size of footprint and optically the ST180 seemed bigger.  I could live with the sound off my F6 but the ST180 might be a bit too much.

I just reread my comments here and realized they are all pretty negative.  Just to be clear, the ST180 didn't match up with my preferences when it comes to a driver.  That's not to say there won't be lots of guys who will be extremely happy with it.

Thanks for sharing!  When I lived in Michigan, Carl's on Telegraph was my goto driver testing range.  

You should hit it with the Kuro Kage Dual Core Silver 60. Will keep spin down and launch higher than the Tensei CK Blue 60 also feels smoother from my testing.

I would love to try the KK, hands down it would be my choice over the Tensei.  I'm usually right between R and S and unfortunately the CK Blue is the only shaft Mizuno offers in R in the 60+ gram range, KK only in S and X.  So I think there's a really good chance I could get dialled in with the ST180 given the proper shaft, its a shame they're not offering an Aldila option like Rogue Silver or Tour Green.

Re Carls, it was my first time there, drove all the way from Toronto because we have zero chance of ever seeing the ST180 in a store up here.  Long drive but totally worth it.  For me the only way to buy a driver is to hit it where I can see the full ball flight.  They guys there are great.

Edited by Tommyj, 16 November 2017 - 07:19 AM.


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:27 AM

View Postodshot68, on 15 November 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

I also hated the tensei blue 60. The blue 70x was a whole different combination.  Blew away the silver for me

I found the 60 to be a bit rough, how does the 70 differ?

I'm a little bit bummed out at Mizuno, they're really not giving me a lot of options with my 100mph swing speed.  Every time I step up to an S flex its just a bit too much.  Sort of odd since they offer just about every option in their irons.  By comparison Cobra gives me at least 5 good quality shaft options at no up charge for my swing speed.


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