Hubijerk, on 13 November 2017 - 12:50 PM, said:
pinestreetgolf, on 13 November 2017 - 09:18 AM, said:
Hubijerk, on 13 November 2017 - 04:10 AM, said:
elwhippy, on 13 November 2017 - 03:47 AM, said:
No can do. Does that mean you will drive and uneconomical, unsafe car, have no laptop or cell-phone and be happy to sweat your clems off in cotton pants and shirts? If something doesn't progress it usually becomes extinct.
... I actually just got back from picking up some in and out... I'm wearing cotton sweatshorts, a cotton shirt.... and I drove my '72 roadrunner which has been collecting some dust and needed some love... does that answer you're question?
Anyway, I think our current state of golf is where it is because equipment companies have been handed the keys to the game. I personally think equipment has become too much the focus. I mean I stay on top of it all, but honestly I think I could shoot the same scores with the '06 bag, though none of the irons would be legal by todays rules... Another mistake I think too. I would have liked to see golf do something like baseball did when they limited bats to wooden ones only. I know non pro baseball uses metal however that was more for practicality and cost I think and it turned out to be an arms race with companies creating pressurized barrels connected to handles by elastomer etc. that cost hundreds of dollars.. I don't think that was the intent.
What if, instead of trying to regulate ball speed, and head size, golf made a rule that all club heads had to be made of steel or wood etc.. This would eliminate the ability to move mass so excessively and would self limit head size, and ct, etc..
*quickly checks to see if this was posted from inside a mental asylum*
I don't understand your post, for two reasons.
1. You are complaining that "equipment has become the focus" on what is literally the equipment section of an equipment message board. "I went through this door with sign that says post office and suddenly realized society is obsessed with letters and parcels"
2. You said "you would shoot the same scores now as you would in 2006", so you don't need a time-stopping device. Just play a 905D and whatever else now. If its the same (as you say), what's stopping you? Winning a $22 ebay auction seems a lot easier than inventing a time machine.
I'd go back to about 2007-ish, when those damn kids first started skate-board-skating on my sidewalk!!!!
I'm not complaining, and I thought I posted this in General.. It may have been moved...Or I may have posted here by mistake, but it does involve equipment so..
As far as my thoughts are concerned I think the game, and equipment was at balance in the mid 2000's. You had the practicality and durability of metalwoods but it was before it became a an equipment free for all with the big name big dollar companies putting smaller guys out of business with huge R&D budgets.
As far as why can't I play those clubs now, it's because the game legislated them out of my hands (I play competitively), and I would be giving up too much to the guys playing new stuff, the woods and hybrids anyway. It is a very different game today and if I want to compete I am forced to change with it.
This wasn't meant to be an argumentative post by any means, just curious to hear opinions from others discussing this in the spirit it was intended, which to clarify, is not intense and or super serious...
I get the groove issues. I had to give up my red saws. But I don't get it when you say you'd be "just as good" but then say you are forced to change to compete. That seems incongruous to me.
In the TPC La championship flight my playing partner used a 905D. I used a MP-600. Not ancient, but we placed 2 and 3. Number 1 used an epic and number 4 used a M2. In terms of irons, I game 2008 cavity backs. I demo'd the CF16s, but I value predictability above all else, and the a4 forged are perfect blend of forgiveness and consistent distance IMO. The guy who won (who had an epic) was playing with some sort of AP1s (710 I think) that were old. I don't agree with the statement that you have to go modern to compete. The better the player, especially using gross scores in the championship flights, the less the new technology matters.
I just don't like blanket discussions about technology in golf clubs. Newer players are massively advantaged by the new technology because its almost all about foregiveness (Assuming you are fit well). I saw virtually zero different in CF16s and a4s besides some height and unpredictability, but I am willing to bet (without sounding like a jackass) that a 20 cap wouldn't feel the same way. So I just "worry" that newer players read these "old equipment is just as good threads" and think it applies to them, which it doesn't. Most of the time older equipment is better is because of a pre-existing relationship and predictability.
I would argue the reverse is true. The modern technology showcases "true talent" much better than the old. Somebody is always going to drive it further - Jack was longer than the field, relatively speaking, than anyone is now. Modern technology helps people play golf swing better. True talent is playing golf. Golf is a mental game, not a physical one, and the new technology allows those with less-than-optimal swings to compete.
Edited by pinestreetgolf, 13 November 2017 - 02:00 PM.