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Posted 14 November 2017 - 12:38 PM

Handicap: 0.7   Average Score: 76.7

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:14 PM

Yeah I think if you get within around 5 strokes of your handicap, that's a good day. If you hit or beat your handicap, that's a phenomenal day.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 09:12 AM

Adding to my previous post, I've entered my 126 scores into my TI 84 calculator to determine the shape of the data and its standard deviation. My scores are not a perfect bell curve. The data is slightly skewed left. My standard deviation, which is extremely important to the conclusions some of you are reaching, is 2.3 strokes. In fact 95 scores fall between 75 and 79 inclusive. If I eliminate my three best scores and three worst scores from the data set, my deviation drops to 1.5. This suggests what I have demonstrated for years. I am a very consistent player, but at 3.1, a long way away from my goal of getting to scratch. Blanket statements with regard to index, course rating, and suggested accumulators (+3 strokes has been thrown around this thread), are missing something very important to the discussion. How consistent are the player's scores. That is, what is the STANDARD DEVIATION of the data set.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:36 AM

View Postfillwelix, on 14 November 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

Yeah I think if you get within around 5 strokes of your handicap, that's a good day. If you hit or beat your handicap, that's a phenomenal day.

Yep, that's what I felt like when I played to 6 under my handicap and won the monthly comp. Funny thing is that it didn't feel like that when I played, only afterwards.
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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:46 PM

I’m an 8 and my last four scores were 80, 82, 90, 82

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 11:55 PM

I'm a 7.4 currently, posted 80 scores in 2017. Scoring average was 83.5 and 16 scores were 79 or lower.

Like all things handicap it's going to depend on the CR and slope where you play.



Edited by Matt J, 17 November 2017 - 11:57 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 11:23 PM

Handicap Index => Calculate differentials from last 20 rounds, multiply by 0.96, Average the lowest 10.

Average Index => Calculate differentials from last 20 rounds, DO NOT multiply by 0.96. Average for all 20.

Median Index => Calculate differentials from last 20 rounds, DO NOT multiply by 0.96. Take the middle number (If there are two middle numbers, average them). Reduces outliers (because we're all so consistent).

Use the course rating/slope of your next round and calculate what you "could" score, or what your "average" game will produce.

Edited by joker2, 04 December 2017 - 12:14 AM.

Just say'in...

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 12:05 AM

I compile about 30 golfing friends on the grint app.  

My rule of thumb is to add 5 strokes to HI to get average score or vice versa.  Not precise but very useful when I organize competition.

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 03:07 PM

I'm currently at a 14.3 index with an average score of 92.1.  

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 03:25 PM

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 03:33 PM

Scratch and normally shoot around par. Give or take the weather.

Though with the UK adopting a new system soon (closer to the US system) I'll probably end up +something

Which is interesting. Though all relative I wonder if I'll feel cheated and that my new + handicap isn't really as good as the old system. Like instead of + being the Mecca, maybe that becomes like +5???

I wonder what UK +3 kinds guys will end up at.....

Edited by dg_1983, 04 June 2018 - 03:37 PM.

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 04:14 PM

Handicap - 3.4
Average Score - 76.2

I'm pretty consistent. Don't have much in the way of blowup rounds, with a few low ones thrown in.

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 05:07 PM

View PostHit, on 13 November 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

Thanks for all of the excellent responses thus far.

View Postglk, on 12 November 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

Frank Thomas.    Ballpark average score for handicap is 72 + cap + 3.     So a 6 average is about 81, for example.  
See popeofslope website.

I had never heard of the the pope of slope website.  That site is a treasure trove of information.  

The conclusion set forth on that website seems consistent with what we're getting by way of responses here, namely:

"The USGA’s Handicap Research Team tells us that the average player is expected to play to his Course Handicap or better only about 25 percent of the time, average three strokes higher than his Course Handicap, and have a best score in 20 which is only two strokes better than his Course Handicap."

Tell the USGA we are amateur golfers and we expect to play lower than our handicap EVERY ROUND.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 08:18 AM

View Postdg_1983, on 04 June 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

Scratch and normally shoot around par. Give or take the weather.

Though with the UK adopting a new system soon (closer to the US system) I'll probably end up +something

Which is interesting. Though all relative I wonder if I'll feel cheated and that my new + handicap isn't really as good as the old system. Like instead of + being the Mecca, maybe that becomes like +5???

I wonder what UK +3 kinds guys will end up at.....
You mean the 100 or so of them that haven't turned pro yet? :)

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:10 AM

We have 2 at our club. One is a reinstated AM, couldn't make cuts on the Alps tour - that gives a flavor for how good the guys on the TV are!

Edited by dg_1983, 05 June 2018 - 10:11 AM.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 10:13 AM

Another poster mentioned standard deviation; this is critical for understanding what types of scores (or differentials) you're likely to post.

For example, here are my numbers from the past 10 rounds:
  • Avg score: 75.9
  • Avg differential: 2.61
  • Scoring stdev: 3.11
  • Differential stdev: 2.14
This data suggests I'll shoot 73-79 most days, and I'll also most likely post differentials in the 0-5 range.

I also like to track my anti-handicap (avg. of worst 10 of last 20 rounds) as an indicator of what I'm likely to do on a bad day. Right now, my handicap is 1.7, but my anti-handicap is 5.2.

And this all pretty much jives with the truth: On a good day, I'm a scratch golfer. On a poor day, I'm a 5 handicap.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 02:25 PM

9.2 handicap and my average round this year through 21 rounds is 87.2. If I shoot a 9 then it is a really good round. My rounds are between 83 & 92. I have a 94, 76, 95, and two 81’s sprinkled in there.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 02:55 PM

Currently a 17 on the nose (started the year as 16.4, in a bit of a slump) my last 20 scores avg is 87.4

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 03:11 PM

View PostMoonlightgrm, on 14 November 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

I just accessed my GHIN by USGA app on my iPad and sorted all 126 rounds I have played this season. My scoring average for these 126 rounds is 77.3 and my handicap index is 3.1. I play, primarily, our blue tees which have a course rating of 72.1 and a slope rating of 131 (6,730 yards). My lowest round of the year was a 68 and my highest round of the year was an 83. Looking at the weather forecasts, I am hoping to get two more rounds in before our course closes next week. 2017 has been a fun golf season for me!

You played 126 rounds last year (maybe more?) and you live in Mass?

I scratch my head and wonder how this is possible.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 03:14 PM

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 04:53 PM

From the USGA

"Does it seem to you that you play a few strokes over your Course Handicap most of the time?

Well, that's normal under the USGA Handicap System.
Why? The USGA Handicap System is based upon the potential ability of a player rather than the average of all his scores. The USGA's Handicap Research Team tells us that the average player is expected to play to his Course Handicap or better only about 25 percent of the time, average three strokes higher than his Course Handicap, and have a best score in 20, which is only two strokes better than his Course Handicap. ."

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 07:22 PM

Handicap should also take into account the variety of courses played. A 10 HI from a player that plays 95% of his rounds at his local club is very different than a 10 HI that plays a different course every week.

Familiarity of a course is worth probably 2-3 strokes a round.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 09:40 PM

As of the last revision Im a 5.4

Out of the last 20 rounds, my score avg is 77.4 so Im pretty much right where I should be.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 12:30 AM

View Postousuxndallas, on 05 June 2018 - 07:22 PM, said:

Handicap should also take into account the variety of courses played. A 10 HI from a player that plays 95% of his rounds at his local club is very different than a 10 HI that plays a different course every week.

Familiarity of a course is worth probably 2-3 strokes a round.

Not always true, sometimes overplaying a home course leads to "automatic decisions" or "headcase moments" with certain holes (I averaged 4.9 this year on a 390 yard par 4 that is the #8 handicap hole)! I tend to play away courses better as long as I have a practice round or can look at the course online beforehand!

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:31 AM

At one point in time my average score was more than 10 shots higher than my Handicap.


I had a couple of T scores under par, was away from the game entirely for about 7 months, came back averaging 83.  Had an "R" by my index.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:11 AM

One thing about handicapping and indexes that I don't like is sometimes you play a course that is harder, but is rated/sloped as easier than a course you play that is easier but is rated/sloped as harder. So you actually have to play better on the harder playing course to equal your differential on the course that plays easier. My course handicap is actually a stroke higher on the course that plays easier. Very strange system sometimes.

A Personal example.

One course I play, we'll call it Course A is by far easier. Wider fairways, far more forgiving for mistakes, rough is never high, greens are at a decent speed and aren't overly complex. Yardage 5,787 Rating Slope is 68.9/130. My avg score at Course A is 89.7.

Course B: Seldom a level lie in the fairway, elevation changes on nearly every hole, much tighter driving holes, greens are usually very fast and the rough is often very thick. Yardage is 5,867, Rating/Slope is 69.1/123. My avg score at Course B is 93.2. I've broken 90 there twice.

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