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#31 buckeyefl

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:08 PM

View Postscooterboy59, on 13 November 2017 - 06:25 AM, said:

There is something wrong in that Langer did not win the cup. Champions tour messed this one up big.
A complete joke and slap in the face all in the name of potential ratings. People should be fired for stupid decisions like this one.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:11 PM

View PostAtrayn, on 13 November 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

Threads like this kill me.

A guy plays so consistent the entire year, he has an outside chance to win the cup. He plays so well at the season ending event that he wins it. Langer plays bad enough that he loses it. So what, congratulate the winner!
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:14 PM

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People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

No he is really not deserving. He won the tournament but it ends there.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:14 PM

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People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

The system needs to be changed so that players with one victory during the season, like Sutherland, can't take home the season ending trophy.  Charles Schwab should be embarrassed by this mockery of the game.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:27 PM

Folks gotta agree with everything Holy Moses , Hawkeye 77 and Lil Spanky said. In a nutshell this just absolutely sucks period.  And yes I have my flame suit on and I am a big boy and I can take it!!!!!! :diablo:

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:36 PM

View Postbuckeyefl, on 13 November 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

No he is really not deserving. He won the tournament but it ends there.

With this statement you are basically stating that Rory (2016), Horschel (2014), Stenson (2013), Snedeker (2012), and Haas (2011) all do not deserve the titles they won. The system was established and agreed upon by the committee. Although some changes may need to be made, each player knew what he needed to do to win the cup. Many of the players, even Langer, have respectfully accepted the result. To say that he is not deserving is quite insulting as Kevin has shown consistent and great play all year, but was not able to capitalize until yesterday's event.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:45 PM

Players know the rules and how the playoff works. If you have a shot at the Cup and actually want to win it, maybe prepare for it like you would a Major.

I don't think the system is perfect by any means, but I also don't think there is a perfect way. Sutherland played well enough this year to stay in contention year long, you can't fault consistency. Sometimes slow and steady wins the race.

Langer was clearly the better and dominate player on the Tour this year, but fortunately for him it wasn't this week. It is what it is.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:49 PM

Here's a link to the Wiki page for the Patriots 2007 season, where they went 16-0... https://en.wikipedia...Patriots_season

This is also the season that they won out the playoffs only to lose it all in the Super Bowl to the New York Giants.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:18 PM

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

If the best team/player doesnít win, itís a crappy playoff system. In the NFL the best team always wins because you have to beat 3 or 4 great teams in a row. In the Champions Tour and PGA Tour, you just have be in the top-5 (where playoff wins are worth triple the points of major wins) and then hope the other 4 play worse than you. A true playoff system doesnít unfairly weight some events over others unless they are 1-on-1.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:31 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

If the best team/player doesn't win, it's a crappy playoff system. In the NFL the best team always wins because you have to beat 3 or 4 great teams in a row. In the Champions Tour and PGA Tour, you just have be in the top-5 (where playoff wins are worth triple the points of major wins) and then hope the other 4 play worse than you. A true playoff system doesn't unfairly weight some events over others unless they are 1-on-1.

If this were the case then there should be no playoffs in sports. Upsets occur in sports, and that is the great thing about the nature of sports. Playoffs serve the purpose as an extention of regular season play. A champrionship resulting from playoffs exemplifies perserverance, not holistic skill. If playoffs played out perfectly everytime, than all number one seeds should win, which isn't always the case. Previous tournaments help determine rank like any other sport, which will ultimately help who's leading come out victorious, but by no means should one's "rank" determine who wins a playoff championship, and that is the beauty and excitement of sports.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:40 PM

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

If the best team/player doesn't win, it's a crappy playoff system. In the NFL the best team always wins because you have to beat 3 or 4 great teams in a row. In the Champions Tour and PGA Tour, you just have be in the top-5 (where playoff wins are worth triple the points of major wins) and then hope the other 4 play worse than you. A true playoff system doesn't unfairly weight some events over others unless they are 1-on-1.

If this were the case then there should be no playoffs in sports. Upsets occur in sports, and that is the great thing about the nature of sports. Playoffs serve the purpose as an extention of regular season play. A champrionship resulting from playoffs exemplifies perserverance, not holistic skill. If playoffs played out perfectly everytime, than all number one seeds should win, which isn't always the case. Previous tournaments help determine rank like any other sport, which will ultimately help who's leading come out victorious, but by no means should one's "rank" determine who wins a playoff championship, and that is the beauty and excitement of sports.

What Sutherland did was not a real upset. This is the equivalent of one baseball team crushing another in the World Series through 8 innings but then awarding the championship to the team that scores the most runs in the 9th inning regardless of the total score to increase advertising in the 9th inning.

True playoffs bring undisputed champions that are universally regarded as the best team. MLB, the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, and college football and basketball all do this. Pro golf doesnít because they are beholden to a single sponsor.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:55 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

If the best team/player doesn't win, it's a crappy playoff system. In the NFL the best team always wins because you have to beat 3 or 4 great teams in a row. In the Champions Tour and PGA Tour, you just have be in the top-5 (where playoff wins are worth triple the points of major wins) and then hope the other 4 play worse than you. A true playoff system doesn't unfairly weight some events over others unless they are 1-on-1.

If this were the case then there should be no playoffs in sports. Upsets occur in sports, and that is the great thing about the nature of sports. Playoffs serve the purpose as an extention of regular season play. A champrionship resulting from playoffs exemplifies perserverance, not holistic skill. If playoffs played out perfectly everytime, than all number one seeds should win, which isn't always the case. Previous tournaments help determine rank like any other sport, which will ultimately help who's leading come out victorious, but by no means should one's "rank" determine who wins a playoff championship, and that is the beauty and excitement of sports.

What Sutherland did was not an upset. This is the equivalent of one baseball team crushing another in the World Series through 8 innings but then awarding the championship to the team that scores the most runs in the 9th inning regardless of the total score.

Each player knows once they reach the Charles Schwab Cup that they have a chance to win. There is a possibility that the 36th ranked player that week could end up winning the Cup. The season was Langer's, but the tournament and Cup were both won fairly by Sutherland. Any team in any playoffs have the potential to win the championship, just like any player in the Charles Schwab Cup has the potential to win the Cup. The playoffs were not established hand the trophy to the POY.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:38 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

View PostiBanesto, on 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

Any comment from Langer about this?

I'm sure it would be a diplomatic response.

He took it well. Said the rules are the rules, but heís on the Policy Board and would encourage the Tour to look into changing it next year.

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He said that in response to a question about Sutherland winning the Schwab Cup without winning an event all year. Sutherland win the finale.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:40 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

If the best team/player doesn't win, it's a crappy playoff system. In the NFL the best team always wins because you have to beat 3 or 4 great teams in a row. In the Champions Tour and PGA Tour, you just have be in the top-5 (where playoff wins are worth triple the points of major wins) and then hope the other 4 play worse than you. A true playoff system doesn't unfairly weight some events over others unless they are 1-on-1.

If this were the case then there should be no playoffs in sports. Upsets occur in sports, and that is the great thing about the nature of sports. Playoffs serve the purpose as an extention of regular season play. A champrionship resulting from playoffs exemplifies perserverance, not holistic skill. If playoffs played out perfectly everytime, than all number one seeds should win, which isn't always the case. Previous tournaments help determine rank like any other sport, which will ultimately help who's leading come out victorious, but by no means should one's "rank" determine who wins a playoff championship, and that is the beauty and excitement of sports.

What Sutherland did was not a real upset. This is the equivalent of one baseball team crushing another in the World Series through 8 innings but then awarding the championship to the team that scores the most runs in the 9th inning regardless of the total score to increase advertising in the 9th inning.

True playoffs bring undisputed champions that are universally regarded as the best team. MLB, the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, and college football and basketball all do this. Pro golf doesnít because they are beholden to a single sponsor.
What playoffs have you been watching over the years? The regular season results are out the window and the winner of a short series is the champion.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:52 PM

View PostShilgy, on 13 November 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

View PostiBanesto, on 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

Any comment from Langer about this?

I'm sure it would be a diplomatic response.

He took it well. Said the rules are the rules, but heís on the Policy Board and would encourage the Tour to look into changing it next year.

https://www.golfdige...rles-schwab-cup
He said that in response to a question about Sutherland winning the Schwab Cup without winning an event all year. Sutherland win the finale.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:54 PM

View PostShilgy, on 13 November 2017 - 06:40 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

If the best team/player doesn't win, it's a crappy playoff system. In the NFL the best team always wins because you have to beat 3 or 4 great teams in a row. In the Champions Tour and PGA Tour, you just have be in the top-5 (where playoff wins are worth triple the points of major wins) and then hope the other 4 play worse than you. A true playoff system doesn't unfairly weight some events over others unless they are 1-on-1.

If this were the case then there should be no playoffs in sports. Upsets occur in sports, and that is the great thing about the nature of sports. Playoffs serve the purpose as an extention of regular season play. A champrionship resulting from playoffs exemplifies perserverance, not holistic skill. If playoffs played out perfectly everytime, than all number one seeds should win, which isn't always the case. Previous tournaments help determine rank like any other sport, which will ultimately help who's leading come out victorious, but by no means should one's "rank" determine who wins a playoff championship, and that is the beauty and excitement of sports.

What Sutherland did was not a real upset. This is the equivalent of one baseball team crushing another in the World Series through 8 innings but then awarding the championship to the team that scores the most runs in the 9th inning regardless of the total score to increase advertising in the 9th inning.

True playoffs bring undisputed champions that are universally regarded as the best team. MLB, the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, and college football and basketball all do this. Pro golf doesnít because they are beholden to a single sponsor.
What playoffs have you been watching over the years? The regular season results are out the window and the winner of a short series is the champion.

Langer beat Sutherland twice in the playoffs. If weíre talking a short series, Langer is up. Somehow game 3 in a short series is all you need to win. No other playoffs are like that outside of golf.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:59 PM

Iím all for someone getting hot in the playoffs and winning the Schwab Cup. But Langer was by far the hottest player in the playoffs (and the regular season) by a wide margin.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:11 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

I’m all for someone getting hot in the playoffs and winning the Schwab Cup. But Langer was by far the hottest player in the playoffs (and the regular season) by a wide margin.

The playoffs need to be restructured, for example, they should reset the points before the first playoff event. In that example Langer probably would have won, but by the current structure Kevin was able to win.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:16 PM

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View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Iím all for someone getting hot in the playoffs and winning the Schwab Cup. But Langer was by far the hottest player in the playoffs (and the regular season) by a wide margin.

The playoffs need to be restructured, for example, they should reset the points before the first playoff event. In that example Langer probably would have won, but by the current structure Kevin was able to win.

Then that kills their regular season, at least the end of it. Guys will be pulling out of events if theyíve made the playoffs. Look what has happened to college basketballís regular season. The only games that are exciting are a few historic regular season matchups.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:22 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Iím all for someone getting hot in the playoffs and winning the Schwab Cup. But Langer was by far the hottest player in the playoffs (and the regular season) by a wide margin.

You can be as hot as you want to be, if you fail to perform in the pinnacle game of your respective sport (Super Bowl, Game 7 World Series, Game 7 Stanley Cup, etc.) you allow a lesser player the opportunity to shine. Just like my example above about the Patriots and losing to the Giants. Were they (Giants) a good team that year? Yeah, but they sure as hell werenít the best by a long shot. However, they (like Sutherland) were given an opportunity to shine brighter. And they did.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:27 PM

So why accumulate points at all throughout the year? Its simply a contrived process they came up with to create drama because one player has been dominant. The comparison you made (Super Bowl, Game 7 World Series, Game 7 Stanley Cup, etc.)it apples to oranges.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:36 PM

View PostDON SVO, on 13 November 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Iím all for someone getting hot in the playoffs and winning the Schwab Cup. But Langer was by far the hottest player in the playoffs (and the regular season) by a wide margin.

You can be as hot as you want to be, if you fail to perform in the pinnacle game of your respective sport (Super Bowl, Game 7 World Series, Game 7 Stanley Cup, etc.) you allow a lesser player the opportunity to shine. Just like my example above about the Patriots and losing to the Giants. Were they (Giants) a good team that year? Yeah, but they sure as hell werenít the best by a long shot. However, they (like Sutherland) were given an opportunity to shine brighter. And they did.

But the Giants won game after game after game in the playoffs. Sutherland got beat multiple times by Langer in the playoffs. Langer had one bad round, equal to losing in one quarter of the Superbowl. That should not be enough to win when you are getting slaughtered until that point. It wasnít equivalent to Pats coming back from 28-3 because Langer was up 70-3.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:43 PM

View Postbuckeyefl, on 13 November 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

So why accumulate points at all throughout the year? Its simply a contrived process they came up with to create drama because one player has been dominant. The comparison you made (Super Bowl, Game 7 World Series, Game 7 Stanley Cup, etc.)it apples to oranges.

How so? If points are reset by place in the standings, then those who played well all season would have a better chance to win the Cup, and those playing worse would be at a disadvantage. There would still be incentive to play well, and for someone to pull off a win from way behind, they would have to perform exceptionally well.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:48 PM

Langer was definitely the best player going into the weekend, and if he had performed even close to his season average, he would be laughing all the way to the bank. However, he finished outside the top ten when everything was on the line. How close should he have had to be in order to be awarded the championship, and who should have been able to take it away from him?

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:56 PM

View PostNDS55, on 13 November 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Langer was definitely the best player going into the weekend, and if he had performed even close to his season average, he would be laughing all the way to the bank. However, he finished outside the top ten when everything was on the line. How close should he have had to be in order to be awarded the championship, and who should have been able to take it away from him?

If you want to take the Cup away from a guy with 5 wins including 3 majors going into the playoffs, you shouldnít be able to win the Schwab Cup after this guy goes on to win more playoff events than you.

No one should have been able to take the Cup from Langer after he won the first two playoff events.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:02 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

View PostNDS55, on 13 November 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Langer was definitely the best player going into the weekend, and if he had performed even close to his season average, he would be laughing all the way to the bank. However, he finished outside the top ten when everything was on the line. How close should he have had to be in order to be awarded the championship, and who should have been able to take it away from him?

If you want to take the Cup away from a guy with 5 wins including 3 majors going into the playoffs, you shouldn't be able to win the Schwab Cup after this guy goes on to win more playoff events than you.

No one should have been able to take the Cup from Langer after he won the first two playoff events.

You feel then that the final tournament should not decide the season championship? Langer should have won even if he had withdrawn, or not entered at all?

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:10 PM

View PostNDS55, on 13 November 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

View PostNDS55, on 13 November 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Langer was definitely the best player going into the weekend, and if he had performed even close to his season average, he would be laughing all the way to the bank. However, he finished outside the top ten when everything was on the line. How close should he have had to be in order to be awarded the championship, and who should have been able to take it away from him?

If you want to take the Cup away from a guy with 5 wins including 3 majors going into the playoffs, you shouldn't be able to win the Schwab Cup after this guy goes on to win more playoff events than you.

No one should have been able to take the Cup from Langer after he won the first two playoff events.

You feel then that the final tournament should not decide the season championship? Langer should have won even if he had withdrawn, or not entered at all?

It depends on how tight the race is up until the playoffs and the finale. The points reset before the finale has to be more fair and dependent somewhat on the regular season but more dependent on the previous two playoff tournaments.

Points could be maybe 20% regular season, 20% each of the first two playoff tournaments, and 40% season finale.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:15 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

View PostDON SVO, on 13 November 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Iím all for someone getting hot in the playoffs and winning the Schwab Cup. But Langer was by far the hottest player in the playoffs (and the regular season) by a wide margin.

You can be as hot as you want to be, if you fail to perform in the pinnacle game of your respective sport (Super Bowl, Game 7 World Series, Game 7 Stanley Cup, etc.) you allow a lesser player the opportunity to shine. Just like my example above about the Patriots and losing to the Giants. Were they (Giants) a good team that year? Yeah, but they sure as hell werenít the best by a long shot. However, they (like Sutherland) were given an opportunity to shine brighter. And they did.

But the Giants won game after game after game in the playoffs. Sutherland got beat multiple times by Langer in the playoffs. Langer had one bad round, equal to losing in one quarter of the Superbowl. That should not be enough to win when you are getting slaughtered until that point. It wasnít equivalent to Pats coming back from 28-3 because Langer was up 70-3.

Langer played mediocre golf all weekend, dude. Sutherland didnít. Since itís currently a points accumulation setup, and since Sutherland played really solid golf all playoffs long, he was in a position to capitalize. Itís really just that simple.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:25 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

View PostNDS55, on 13 November 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

View PostNDS55, on 13 November 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Langer was definitely the best player going into the weekend, and if he had performed even close to his season average, he would be laughing all the way to the bank. However, he finished outside the top ten when everything was on the line. How close should he have had to be in order to be awarded the championship, and who should have been able to take it away from him?

If you want to take the Cup away from a guy with 5 wins including 3 majors going into the playoffs, you shouldn't be able to win the Schwab Cup after this guy goes on to win more playoff events than you.

No one should have been able to take the Cup from Langer after he won the first two playoff events.

You feel then that the final tournament should not decide the season championship? Langer should have won even if he had withdrawn, or not entered at all?

Yes, but not just because he won two playoff events, but because he won 5 times before that too. The points reset before the finale has to be more fair and dependent somewhat on the regular season but more dependent on the previous two playoff tournaments.

Maybe 33% regular season, 16.25%  each playoff tournament, and 33% season finale.

In 2012 Rory won two playoff events and lost to Brandt Snedeker, does Brandt also not deserve his title? Playoffs serve the purpose where everyone has the chance to succeed if they perform well. The regular season should only dictate positions in playoffs that give those who perform well an advantage over the rest. In basketball the 1 seed plays the 8 seed and consistantly play teams that, by record, were worse than them. Since golf is different than many other sports because its an individual sport, an adjusted point total would still give the top player the greatest advantage, but he would still have to continue his level of play to win the championship, while also giving the other players a chance to win.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:26 PM

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View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

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View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Iím all for someone getting hot in the playoffs and winning the Schwab Cup. But Langer was by far the hottest player in the playoffs (and the regular season) by a wide margin.

You can be as hot as you want to be, if you fail to perform in the pinnacle game of your respective sport (Super Bowl, Game 7 World Series, Game 7 Stanley Cup, etc.) you allow a lesser player the opportunity to shine. Just like my example above about the Patriots and losing to the Giants. Were they (Giants) a good team that year? Yeah, but they sure as hell werenít the best by a long shot. However, they (like Sutherland) were given an opportunity to shine brighter. And they did.

But the Giants won game after game after game in the playoffs. Sutherland got beat multiple times by Langer in the playoffs. Langer had one bad round, equal to losing in one quarter of the Superbowl. That should not be enough to win when you are getting slaughtered until that point. It wasnít equivalent to Pats coming back from 28-3 because Langer was up 70-3.

Langer played mediocre golf all weekend, dude. Sutherland didnít. Since itís currently a points accumulation setup, and since Sutherland played really solid golf all playoffs long, he was in a position to capitalize. Itís really just that simple.

No, itís not that simple since Langer outplayed Sutherland all season and overall during the playoffs.

Langer was mediocre all weekend? He was -10 for the weekend and only a few players had better weekend scores, dude.

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