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#1 Holy Moses

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 06:51 PM

Bernhard Langer has dominated the Champions Tour all year. Won the first two playoff events and has seven wins this year including three majors. But just as the PGA Tour does, before the final event there is a points reschuffle. Any of the top-5 can win. Langer is having an off week and Kevin Sutherland can win the whole thing with zero wins on Tour this year. I know the point of the reshuffle is to keep the drama up for the last event, but if Sutherland wins without even winning the Charles Schwab Cup Championship this week in Phoenix or any single event all year, it's pretty unfortunate for Langer. The math would have to work out for Sutherland, but it seems possible at this point. Sutherland is T-2 -10 and Langer is T-22 -3 at the moment.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 06:56 PM

Someone unworthy taking home the Schwab Cup transcends senior golf. It could literally change society as we know it.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:00 PM

View PostChief Illiniwek, on 11 November 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

Someone unworthy taking home the Schwab Cup transcends senior golf. It could literally change society as we know it.

Thatís blowing it way out of proportion
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:23 PM

You have to like McCarron"s chances.
It's nice to see Big John scoring well. Too bad that he was so far back coming in to the tournament.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:31 PM

The cynics on this board would say Langer deserves to not win the Charles Schwab Cup :lol:


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:50 PM

Fake playoffs - this is what you get (and not much different than the fake regular tour playoffs).

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:43 PM

Sutherland wins the tournament and the Charles Schwab Cup. What a shame!
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:43 PM

No one ever complains when the team with the best regular season record doesn’t win the World Series or the Super Bowl, but it happens in golf and it’s a crisis.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:44 AM

View Postgolfgirlrobin, on 12 November 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

No one ever complains when the team with the best regular season record doesnít win the World Series or the Super Bowl, but it happens in golf and itís a crisis.

Langer outplayed Sutherland in the regular season and during the playoffs.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM

Any comment from Langer about this?

I'm sure it would be a diplomatic response.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:29 AM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 02:44 AM, said:

View Postgolfgirlrobin, on 12 November 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

No one ever complains when the team with the best regular season record doesn’t win the World Series or the Super Bowl, but it happens in golf and it’s a crisis.

Langer outplayed Sutherland in the regular season and during the playoffs.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:22 AM

View PostLlortamaisey, on 13 November 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 02:44 AM, said:

View Postgolfgirlrobin, on 12 November 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

No one ever complains when the team with the best regular season record doesn’t win the World Series or the Super Bowl, but it happens in golf and it’s a crisis.

Langer outplayed Sutherland in the regular season and during the playoffs.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:24 AM

View PostiBanesto, on 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

Any comment from Langer about this?

I'm sure it would be a diplomatic response.
Well there's a difference between POY on any given tour and whoever wins one of the various "races" or season long championships.  But if you're upset about this outcome then we should really all be sticking pins in our Vijay Singh voodoo dolls.  He's the reason this scenario unfolded.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:25 AM

There is something wrong in that Langer did not win the cup. Champions tour messed this one up big.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:09 AM

fun to watch but can't say sullivan deserved it..Let's be honest, this was a lame system...

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 07:26 AM

View PostiBanesto, on 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

Any comment from Langer about this?

I'm sure it would be a diplomatic response.

He took it well. Said the rules are the rules, but heís on the Policy Board and would encourage the Tour to look into changing it next year.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:08 AM

Congrats K.S.
See you at the club next weekend.
To those who claim your victory is not fair,
Is Langer putting fair to the field?
As a board member, he should request a ruling on that subject as well
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:26 AM

View PostHoly Moses, on 12 November 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

Sutherland wins the tournament and the Charles Schwab Cup. What a shame!
If they were to just give the cup to Langer because he's had the best season, then why even play the season ending tournament?  If an NFL team goes 16-0 in the regular season, should they just be handed the Super Bowl trophy?  It's a playoff system put in place to create drama at the end of the season.  It's not a culmination ending in a coronation.  The Fed Ex Cup is pretty much the same thing.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:38 AM

View PostPat du Golf, on 13 November 2017 - 09:08 AM, said:

Congrats K.S.
See you at the club next weekend.
To those who claim your victory is not fair,
Is Langer putting fair to the field?
As a board member, he should request a ruling on that subject as well
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WT....Langer's putting not fair to field? lol... yeah.. he makes a ton of them..legally..obviously he reads the  putts perfectly often..other players can use the same method but they likely won't know what they were doing.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

View PostPat du Golf, on 13 November 2017 - 09:08 AM, said:

Congrats K.S.
See you at the club next weekend.
To those who claim your victory is not fair,
Is Langer putting fair to the field?
As a board member, he should request a ruling on that subject as well
Congrats K, Delpaso cc is proud!!

USGA cleared him and there has never been a penalty that they didnít want to enforce if it was an actual penalty

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 11:00 AM

Threads like this kill me.

A guy plays so consistent the entire year, he has an outside chance to win the cup. He plays so well at the season ending event that he wins it. Langer plays bad enough that he loses it. So what, congratulate the winner!
I also do not like the long putter. I think whether or not it is anchored is too ambiguous to determine and it gives an unfair advantage because of it. However, both are allowed within the current rules.

So be it. The good news is that rules can be changed. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Either way everyone has to deal with it the way it is.

In the end, like everything else, it's about entertainment value ($$$$)
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 11:47 AM

Here's Grayson Murray's take on it all
http://www.golf.com/...one-really-care



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 11:56 AM

View PostCaddykev, on 13 November 2017 - 11:47 AM, said:

Here's Grayson Murray's take on it all
http://www.golf.com/...one-really-care

Langer is 10X more relevant than Murray. And Langer is a current better player.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:02 PM

View PostAtrayn, on 13 November 2017 - 11:00 AM, said:

Threads like this kill me.

A guy plays so consistent the entire year, he has an outside chance to win the cup. He plays so well at the season ending event that he wins it. Langer plays bad enough that he loses it. So what, congratulate the winner!
I also do not like the long putter. I think whether or not it is anchored is too ambiguous to determine and it gives an unfair advantage because of it. However, both are allowed within the current rules.

So be it. The good news is that rules can be changed. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Either way everyone has to deal with it the way it is.

In the end, like everything else, it's about entertainment value ($$$$)

He plays so well at the season-ending event that he wins by a mere 6 strokes. And takes the Cup away from a guy with 7 wins including 3 majors and 2 playoff events. Dumb. All because TV needs an exciting finish.

Langer could have won every event all year except the finale and still had this outcome.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:10 PM

If they're going to reset, the reset should start at the beginning of the playoffs IMO

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:19 PM

View Postgolfgirlrobin, on 12 November 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

No one ever complains when the team with the best regular season record doesn’t win the World Series or the Super Bowl, but it happens in golf and it’s a crisis.

Gotta say, I really hate this argument. Team sport playoffs are very different. There's only two teams in the World Series or Super Bowl, and they both did a lot to get there. The bar for getting to the "finals" in the Fedex Cup (and apparently the Charles Schwab Cup) is much lower.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:32 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

View PostiBanesto, on 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

Any comment from Langer about this?

I'm sure it would be a diplomatic response.

He took it well. Said the rules are the rules, but heís on the Policy Board and would encourage the Tour to look into changing it next year.

https://www.golfdige...rles-schwab-cup

That's rich coming from Langer. Amirite??
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 12:39 PM

View PostBreakingPar, on 13 November 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 13 November 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

View PostiBanesto, on 13 November 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

Any comment from Langer about this?

I'm sure it would be a diplomatic response.

He took it well. Said the rules are the rules, but heís on the Policy Board and would encourage the Tour to look into changing it next year.

https://www.golfdige...rles-schwab-cup

That's rich coming from Langer. Amirite??


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:05 PM

View Postreidv9819, on 13 November 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

People are misinterpreting the playoff system. In many instances the best team/player doesn't always win. In the media today most call Kevin Sutherland's win "controversial". Anything positive said about his win also includes statements that Langer was "robbed" of the title. Kevin did not have as impressive of a season as Langer, but still had an exceptional one with being in the top-5 in many stats. He is a deserving and well respected champion. A win for him was inevitable, and this win happened to come at the right time. POYs do not always win the season end race, and in the PGA tour only 5 of the last 10 winners have been POY, yet those Cup champions rarely recieved as much backlash as Kevin Sutherland. People need to learn to accept the established system and congratulate Kevin Sutherland as a champion of the game.

Couldn't have said any better!!!


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