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Is skiing too dangerous for serious elite junior golfers?


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#1 CTgolf

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:45 PM

We go every year, typically locally in the northeast a few times as well as a bigger trip to west coast once, but now that my son is in the prime “skill development” age I’m concerned about significant downtime if a major injury occurred.  Seems inevitable given enough iterations.

Thoughts?


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 03:55 PM

Let him have an enjoyable life, don't turn him into a singularly focused protege.  Keep skiing there's more to life than golf and that applies to all of us, even the professionals amongst our ranks.
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 06:42 PM

View Postscomac2002, on 11 November 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Let him have an enjoyable life, don't turn him into a singularly focused protege.  Keep skiing there's more to life than golf and that applies to all of us, even the professionals amongst our ranks.

Maybe I should have asked a different question: are there activities your kids enjoy but you now avoid in order to prevent injury (for golf or life in general)?

Seems like Rory regrets getting injured playing soccer and missing the 2015 Open Championship.

The head rackets pro at our club specifically avoids skiing (despite competing in it as a youth) as he says it is very bad risk/reward for his livelihood.  

Cycling seems like another activity where, given enough iterations, there is almost certainty that one will get into a serious, potentially life-threatening, accident.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 06:52 PM

No guarantees in life. My daughter both skis and golfs, sometimes the same day. One of the joys of living in SLC.
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:00 PM

Let the kid enjoy life.  Tiger ski's.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:05 PM

My kids skis. We got our season pass for 2017-18 already. Just awaiting the snow...

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:05 PM

Perhaps cross training in MMA as well...lol
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:17 PM


in avoiding possible skiing injuries wouldn't the advice be something just like from golf.... you want to keep it out of the trees?

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:50 PM

IIRC, your boy is nine... he should be playing and enjoying everything a normal nine year old does.  I completely understand where you're coming from though... my boy catches in baseball and took a foul ball to the face mask last week which rung his bell.  Watching him gear up today with a big tournament coming up next week made me a bit nervous.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:33 PM

From experience, if he's serious about golf and legit elite talent...just focus on golf. I tried surfing once in college with some friends of mine loved it, but scrapped up my knee awfully bad (trainers made me sit a week, bone bruise and swelling). For me it wasn't worth it, BUT there's plenty of PGA pros that ski religiously (no pun intended) The Cranes and Johnson's take an annual trip together along with who ever else wants to go. So choice is yours,  but it wasn't right for me.


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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:50 PM

I worked for 8 years as a pro ski patroller, ski guide, and avalanche forecaster in Colorado.  I can tell you from experience, having seen hundreds of injuries from altitude sickness to minor orthopedic injuries all the way to multi-systems traumatic fatalities ..... the kids get hurt far less often then the adults do.   It's probably safest to let your kid ski while you watch from the lodge.
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:51 PM

You can walk out of the house, get in the car, and get in a car wreck.  That doesn’t mean you never leave the house.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:43 PM

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:54 PM

I'd guess I've skied and biked about as many hours as anyone you'd ever meet and never suffered a serious injury.  Motocross, boxing, and football are probably the only 3 sports I'd avoid more due to longevity than golf.

Can't imagine skipping a ski trip because I was worried about playing golf.  Talk about making a kid resent golf.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:59 AM

If the one poster is right (that he's 9) and you're worried about an injury hurting his chances at what?  It's not like he's 1 month away from getting a full ride at Stanford.  Go skiing and let him have some fun.  Unless he pulls a Sonny Bono, all will be fine.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:47 AM

Some interesting responses

We have seen some major injuries (broken or dislocated limbs, sprained joints) that took kids out for an entire season or longer, and in some cases they could not catch up to their peers after falling behind

That would be a tremendous loss if the goal is to maximize a child’s potential in a sport - and at a crucial age during the narrow window of skill development (9-12yo) no less.

The likelihood of such an event happening is not extremely high, but if it were to occur the outcome so negative that I believe it might be worth considering vacationing elsewhere (maybe even somewhere warm playing golf!) instead of rolling the dice on the slopes - particularly in the northeast, where conditions are icier.  So a better way of thinking about the decision would be how much more fun would a ski trip be vs some other type of vacation or activity, and is the incremental enjoyment worth the risk.

The expected value of an event with a small probability but with very large consequence is not something to be ignored IMHO.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:00 AM

View PostMatt J, on 11 November 2017 - 10:54 PM, said:

I'd guess I've skied and biked about as many hours as anyone you'd ever meet and never suffered a serious injury.  Motocross, boxing, and football are probably the only 3 sports I'd avoid more due to longevity than golf.

Can't imagine skipping a ski trip because I was worried about playing golf.  Talk about making a kid resent golf.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:38 AM

View PostCTgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 06:47 AM, said:

Some interesting responses

We have seen some major injuries (broken or dislocated limbs, sprained joints) that took kids out for an entire season or longer, and in some cases they could not catch up to their peers after falling behind

That would be a tremendous loss if the goal is to maximize a child's potential in a sport - and at a crucial age during the narrow window of skill development (9-12yo) no less.

The likelihood of such an event happening is not extremely high, but if it were to occur the outcome so negative that I believe it might be worth considering vacationing elsewhere (maybe even somewhere warm playing golf!) instead of rolling the dice on the slopes - particularly in the northeast, where conditions are icier.  So a better way of thinking about the decision would be how much more fun would a ski trip be vs some other type of vacation or activity, and is the incremental enjoyment worth the risk.

The expected value of an event with a small probability but with very large consequence is not something to be ignored IMHO.

Make sure he doesn't wear socks in your house if you have hardwood floors.  Could slip and fall, miss the masters and never achieve #1 in the OWGR.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:42 AM

Plenty of the top players I teach didn’t touch a club until they were 12 or older.  The “skills” you’re talking about learning 9-12 aren’t golf specific.  They are simply being an athlete.  You’re thinking about it only in golf terms, those “skills” are learned throwing a ball, running, playing tag, climbing fences, the stuff kids do being kids when not playing video games.

i did things way more dangerous than skiing ( but also including skiing and snowboarding) my entire childhood and had several injuries, none of which held me back in golf.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:12 AM

Guy where I work has two nephews that his brother has been grooming to be MLB players (pitchers) since they were playing little league.  Both have received extensive training and coaching since that time and played on traveling club teams.  Both were good and wound up getting scholarships but neither kid was interested in learning, just playing ball.  Their father put all their eggs in one basket and promoted this way of thinking.  Fast forward to today and both seem to be out of the game now.  I had been following their progress out of curiousity but the trail of minor league info has stopped.  The older boy had an offer that totaled a little over $1M for a minor league contract too, which he turned down because he thought it "too limiting".  Dumb move there.  That would have at least given him something to live on for a while.  

Moral of the story: let kids be kids.  Nothing worse than an overbearing parent steering the "career" of a kid from a young age.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:21 AM

View Postleezer99, on 12 November 2017 - 07:38 AM, said:

View PostCTgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 06:47 AM, said:

Some interesting responses

We have seen some major injuries (broken or dislocated limbs, sprained joints) that took kids out for an entire season or longer, and in some cases they could not catch up to their peers after falling behind

That would be a tremendous loss if the goal is to maximize a child's potential in a sport - and at a crucial age during the narrow window of skill development (9-12yo) no less.

The likelihood of such an event happening is not extremely high, but if it were to occur the outcome so negative that I believe it might be worth considering vacationing elsewhere (maybe even somewhere warm playing golf!) instead of rolling the dice on the slopes - particularly in the northeast, where conditions are icier.  So a better way of thinking about the decision would be how much more fun would a ski trip be vs some other type of vacation or activity, and is the incremental enjoyment worth the risk.

The expected value of an event with a small probability but with very large consequence is not something to be ignored IMHO.

Make sure he doesn't wear socks in your house if you have hardwood floors.  Could slip and fall, miss the masters and never achieve #1 in the OWGR.

This is a perfect example of a straw man fallacy

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:23 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

Plenty of the top players I teach didn’t touch a club until they were 12 or older.  The “skills” you’re talking about learning 9-12 aren’t golf specific.  They are simply being an athlete.  You’re thinking about it only in golf terms, those “skills” are learned throwing a ball, running, playing tag, climbing fences, the stuff kids do being kids when not playing video games.

i did things way more dangerous than skiing ( but also including skiing and snowboarding) my entire childhood and had several injuries, none of which held me back in golf.

You are 100% correct

The skills you mentioned above - how many can you do with a broken leg or torn knee?

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:40 AM

No, no, no.

If your kid loves to ski, I certainly would not hold him off for “What ifs.” Being a great golfer is athletics, all of them, and all of them carry inherent risks. The most likely inhibitor for your son won’t be his physical skills, but the mental side. Lots of guys are great golfers but only 150 have the mental side, and you can’t train or predict mental abilities.

All the research has indicated children who play one sport as children are worse off in the end. So not only should he ski in the winter, he should be playing a fall sport and a spring sport that isn’t golf. Specialization shouldn’t happen for a number of years into his development.

If it is meant to be, one year off bc of injury is not the end of the world, and it is unlikely. Kids are much “looser” than adults and much less unlikely to get injured anyway. I would be more worried about your knees than his.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:11 AM

View PostCTgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

Plenty of the top players I teach didn’t touch a club until they were 12 or older.  The “skills” you’re talking about learning 9-12 aren’t golf specific.  They are simply being an athlete.  You’re thinking about it only in golf terms, those “skills” are learned throwing a ball, running, playing tag, climbing fences, the stuff kids do being kids when not playing video games.

i did things way more dangerous than skiing ( but also including skiing and snowboarding) my entire childhood and had several injuries, none of which held me back in golf.

You are 100% correct

The skills you mentioned above - how many can you do with a broken leg or torn knee?

You can throw a ball with a broken leg or torn knee.  I dislocated my knee cap at 11 and shattered my collarbone in two places at 12.  Still chipped and putted through both and hit wedge shots with knee injury.   Golf is primarily hand eye coordination and speed related which you can work on sitting in a chair.  I played 5 events in college with a broken ankle in a walking boot.  Peter Tomasulo played in the Web.com Tour championship with a broken leg in a cast.

Again kids have injuries all the time and many don’t pick up a club until older than your son is now yet become top golfers.  An injury at 9 years old isn’t going to prevent your kid from being a great golfer if he wants to be one and works at it the right way.  If he is going to be great he will be great.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:22 AM

Let them ski! You can get injured running around in the back yard!

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:30 AM

View PostCTgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

Plenty of the top players I teach didn’t touch a club until they were 12 or older.  The “skills” you’re talking about learning 9-12 aren’t golf specific.  They are simply being an athlete.  You’re thinking about it only in golf terms, those “skills” are learned throwing a ball, running, playing tag, climbing fences, the stuff kids do being kids when not playing video games.

i did things way more dangerous than skiing ( but also including skiing and snowboarding) my entire childhood and had several injuries, none of which held me back in golf.

You are 100% correct

The skills you mentioned above - how many can you do with a broken leg or torn knee?

Sure, that's a straw man.  But, you sound like a classic case of the tail wagging the dog.  You're the head of the household, choose a vacation based on your whole family's enjoyment, not a 9 y/o's hobby and recreation.  What you don't understand is that this kind of mentality is exactly what will hold him back.  Not only does he have the pressure of competition, but also having detoured family vacations, which I'm sure is just the tip of the iceberg.  Let him be a kid, that happens to enjoy golf right now.  Not that you're going to listen to a guy on the internet, but maybe you'll get the point.  Don't help him obsess over golf.  Help him have balance in life.

Oops.  Wrong quote.  Should be the straw man quote.

iTeach- when I was a kid in the 80's, our best kid golfers largely didn't pan out as very few of them matured into having club head speed.  Is that still true?

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:31 AM

Let them ski. Don’t let them drive.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

The balance and lower body work he gets from skiing might help his golf.
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 11:46 AM

View PostMatt J, on 12 November 2017 - 11:30 AM, said:

View PostCTgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 12 November 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

Plenty of the top players I teach didn’t touch a club until they were 12 or older.  The “skills” you’re talking about learning 9-12 aren’t golf specific.  They are simply being an athlete.  You’re thinking about it only in golf terms, those “skills” are learned throwing a ball, running, playing tag, climbing fences, the stuff kids do being kids when not playing video games.

i did things way more dangerous than skiing ( but also including skiing and snowboarding) my entire childhood and had several injuries, none of which held me back in golf.

You are 100% correct

The skills you mentioned above - how many can you do with a broken leg or torn knee?

Sure, that's a straw man.  But, you sound like a classic case of the tail wagging the dog.  You're the head of the household, choose a vacation based on your whole family's enjoyment, not a 9 y/o's hobby and recreation.  What you don't understand is that this kind of mentality is exactly what will hold him back.  Not only does he have the pressure of competition, but also having detoured family vacations, which I'm sure is just the tip of the iceberg.  Let him be a kid, that happens to enjoy golf right now.  Not that you're going to listen to a guy on the internet, but maybe you'll get the point.  Don't help him obsess over golf.  Help him have balance in life.

Oops.  Wrong quote.  Should be the straw man quote.

iTeach- when I was a kid in the 80's, our best kid golfers largely didn't pan out as very few of them matured into having club head speed.  Is that still true?

I’d say how good a kid is at 8-12 is really meaningless due to how different kids mature and grow.  A lot of kids get burnt out and don’t love it when they get older.  The juniors I teach who are the best ( have taught 4 NCAA national champions) were well rounded and while they have a passion for golf, they have lives outside of golf too.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 12:58 PM

View PostCTgolf, on 11 November 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

We go every year, typically locally in the northeast a few times as well as a bigger trip to west coast once, but now that my son is in the prime “skill development” age I’m concerned about significant downtime if a major injury occurred.  Seems inevitable given enough iterations.

Thoughts?

Without sounding like a troll are you serious? Enjoy life. He not getting paid. If he gets hurt that’s life s*** happens, but to take an experience away because your afraid of doing harm to said golf career is absurd. If your that afraid of it try the beach.

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