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718 AP1 vs AP3 and what Shaft.


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#1 carn9698

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:13 AM

In 3 weeks I go for a fitting at Titleist UK HQ.

Currently I play i25 with the 109g z-z65 Shaft. I hit the 33 degree 7 iron 150. The z-z65 shaft has a stiff tip.

In the Titleist I hope for more height and say 5 yards more maybe with a lighter shaft.

Anyone test these 2 and thoughts on good shafts??

Edited by carn9698, 11 November 2017 - 07:14 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:01 AM

View Postcarn9698, on 11 November 2017 - 07:13 AM, said:

In 3 weeks I go for a fitting at Titleist UK HQ.

Currently I play i25 with the 109g z-z65 Shaft. I hit the 33 degree 7 iron 150. The z-z65 shaft has a stiff tip.

In the Titleist I hope for more height and say 5 yards more maybe with a lighter shaft.

Anyone test these 2 and thoughts on good shafts??
I got fit for the AP3's. ( on order). I'm 65- 92 mph driver swing speed. I swing 710 ap2's now and I hit the stock 7 iron 140. For reference , the AP3 6 iron with a Nippon 850 GH regular shaft - (around 85 gram shaft)- 158 yds - higher with more spin, an outdoor Trackman fitting. BTW- I have a stiff shaft in my 917 D3 driver.  This Nippon shaft reminded me of my old MacGregor irons  with the Propel #1 shafts- smooth!
The best thing was how straight i hit this combo and consistent the distance. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to hit them out of the rough.

I should have the set in 10 days.

Hope this helps.
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:14 AM

Nippon 950, XP95/105, KBS Tour 90s are good places to start. I find Nippons feel a bit softer/less vibrations. ;)
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:28 AM

View PostGolf64, on 11 November 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

Nippon 950, XP95/105, KBS Tour 90s are good places to start. I find Nippons feel a bit softer/less vibrations. ;)
Nippons don't get a lot of cred around here as they are seen as not being stiff enough/low enough ballflight to be able to control wedges, but for mere mortal golfers they are probably the best steel shafts out there.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 09:56 AM

Titleist has a great proprietary shaft, the Nippon 105T.  It is mid weight at around 110 grams, but it has a softer tip so it's easy to play, and will help you hit the ball higher.

I started playing the shaft in stiff in 2010 with the AP1 710 model.  Then I was fit at Titleist and we went to the same shaft in regular, in 712 Ap1.

Give it a go.

Edited by gvogel, 11 November 2017 - 11:48 AM.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 10:29 AM

After going through getting fitted this year and testing really between the Ap3,Ap1 and some others the results were going with the Ap3. The only thing is that they definitely help getting the ball in the air. Iím alteady a high ball hitter. 93. The stock Amt s300 shaft in them is really a great shaft. But to take a little bit of the top I ended up going with a True Temper Tour Issue S400 AMT soft stepped one time. It really helped in the four and five iron. Iíve played about 6 rounds so far since getting them. And with a better shot shape and results Iím seeing not really sure what will knock them outta the bag in the long term. The Modus is a great choice too.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:03 AM

Thanks guys. Never hit a Nippon, but they interest me. I am difficult on shafts, because I need launch and stiff tips. The 2 are rare together from what I have read.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:00 AM

View Postcarn9698, on 13 November 2017 - 03:03 AM, said:

Thanks guys. Never hit a Nippon, but they interest me. I am difficult on shafts, because I need launch and stiff tips. The 2 are rare together from what I have read.

No shaft actually has a stiff/soft tip.  They just put that on the graphics or in the marketing literature to make it easier for the consumer to understand.  Bend profiles of shafts are all in the middle of the shaft and vary by maybe 2.5-3 inches from the lowest launching to the highest launching.  Don't go into your fitting with an idea that you need a shaft with X properties.  Let the fitter do their job by finding the right combination for you regardless of what the shaft is supposed to do, what it weighs, and where it bends. Instead, focus on the feel of the combination and how each club results in helping you hit the middle more or less often.  Also don't worry about ball flight TOO much either (as in nitpick over a couple of yards left or right of centre), or if it is slightly too low or too high, that can be easily fixed with a lie angle change or adjusting the loft +/- 1* as well.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 02:19 AM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 13 November 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

View Postcarn9698, on 13 November 2017 - 03:03 AM, said:

Thanks guys. Never hit a Nippon, but they interest me. I am difficult on shafts, because I need launch and stiff tips. The 2 are rare together from what I have read.

No shaft actually has a stiff/soft tip.  They just put that on the graphics or in the marketing literature to make it easier for the consumer to understand.  Bend profiles of shafts are all in the middle of the shaft and vary by maybe 2.5-3 inches from the lowest launching to the highest launching.  Don't go into your fitting with an idea that you need a shaft with X properties.  Let the fitter do their job by finding the right combination for you regardless of what the shaft is supposed to do, what it weighs, and where it bends. Instead, focus on the feel of the combination and how each club results in helping you hit the middle more or less often.  Also don't worry about ball flight TOO much either (as in nitpick over a couple of yards left or right of centre), or if it is slightly too low or too high, that can be easily fixed with a lie angle change or adjusting the loft +/- 1* as well.
Good advice. I struggle because I am in between regular and stiff, but close the face. That obviously causes low left flights. With my clubs I always seek a fit that attempts to calm those 2 elements down. It’s the Indian I know. This winter with lessons and range time I will work on it.
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Adams Super Pro 23 Hybrid Stock Prolaunch Platinium reg spine aligned FLOed 190y  
i25 Black Dot 4i-9i Z-Z65 1/2" Long(4-7i with bounce grind) 180-130y
i25 Black Dot UW weakened to 48 Z-Z65 1/2" Long 115y
TM TP 52-9(bent to 53) DG SL300(close match to Z-Z65) 1/2" long 100y
TM TP 58-10(bent to 59 bounce ground to 6) DG SL300(close match to Z-Z65) 1/4" long 85y
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 01:29 PM

View Postcarn9698, on 14 November 2017 - 02:19 AM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 13 November 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

View Postcarn9698, on 13 November 2017 - 03:03 AM, said:

Thanks guys. Never hit a Nippon, but they interest me. I am difficult on shafts, because I need launch and stiff tips. The 2 are rare together from what I have read.

No shaft actually has a stiff/soft tip.  They just put that on the graphics or in the marketing literature to make it easier for the consumer to understand.  Bend profiles of shafts are all in the middle of the shaft and vary by maybe 2.5-3 inches from the lowest launching to the highest launching.  Don't go into your fitting with an idea that you need a shaft with X properties.  Let the fitter do their job by finding the right combination for you regardless of what the shaft is supposed to do, what it weighs, and where it bends. Instead, focus on the feel of the combination and how each club results in helping you hit the middle more or less often.  Also don't worry about ball flight TOO much either (as in nitpick over a couple of yards left or right of centre), or if it is slightly too low or too high, that can be easily fixed with a lie angle change or adjusting the loft +/- 1* as well.
Good advice. I struggle because I am in between regular and stiff, but close the face. That obviously causes low left flights. With my clubs I always seek a fit that attempts to calm those 2 elements down. It’s the Indian I know. This winter with lessons and range time I will work on it.

Potentially a heavier weight (110+) reg flex shaft might help slow your release down a little bit.  But the softer flex might help get you a bit more oomph behind the ball without swinging harder.

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