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2017 M1 Fairway 3 vs. 3HL

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:01 PM

So I recently purchased a Taylormade 2017 M1 3HL as I thought hey maybe I can use a little more loft, I see a lot of the Tour heads in HL so there has to be something to it right.  For the life of me I could not get the carry I was looking for and the dam thing spun like a top, I went back to the store and swapped the head with a standard 3, spin came down tremendously and I was carrying past the distance I was falling short of with the 3HL.

Its quite surprising that 2 degrees would make that much of a difference, we are talking 20+ yards.  Has anyone experienced this with the M line or any other 3/3HL or 3/4 heads before?

Edited by FirePro, 09 November 2017 - 11:01 PM.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:03 PM

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:10 PM

yes sir, I couldn't get to the distance I was hoping for with the 3HL it was 5 yards longer than my 2  utility iron so there was no point really.  its possible that with a different shaft it could have performed better but I wasn't arguing with the results from the 3 with the same shaft.  I should have hit the HL at 15 deg and the 3 at 15 deg to see if there was any difference.  the 20+ yards wasn't the average ether it was at least 20 yards unless you count the drop kick tow hook I hit with the 3 that wouldn't have made it out of the infield.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:19 AM

Try the M2 tour in HL
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 08:34 AM

I did try it but not in my flex, it was good but I got better performance out of the 2017 M3 3 wood head.  im sure if I could swap the shaft it would have been a good option but ya that would have taken a little more work and leniency from where I was purchasing it if only to test it out.

by the way nice sig, we could probably switch bags and have no issues ha

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:51 AM

View PostFirePro, on 10 November 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

I did try it but not in my flex, it was good but I got better performance out of the 2017 M3 3 wood head.  im sure if I could swap the shaft it would have been a good option but ya that would have taken a little more work and leniency from where I was purchasing it if only to test it out.

by the way nice sig, we could probably switch bags and have no issues ha

Thanks you too.  I'm jealous of the U45 in the 4 iron, could probably replace both my 3 iron and 4 iron with that.  I definitely made a mistake going with a 765 3 iron to fill the spot between my 745 4 iron and U45 2 iron.  The U45s are so damned easy to hit.  I have the swing speed to easily hit the 3 iron, but its just more demanding in terms of making a decent strike.  Is the gap between your U45 4 and 745 5 fairly large?

Back on topic.  You should also consider the '16 Deep Face M2 3HL.  It's been my favorite addition to the bag this year.  I've never liked a 3 wood until I found this club.  Even in HL, it still gets way out there and gives my driver a run for it's money occasionally.  The HL makes the play ability from not-so-perfect lies off the charts.  A bottomed shot still gets up and out there.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 04:01 PM

View Postmanima1, on 10 November 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:

Try the M2 tour in HL

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:57 PM

I've noticed the same. I have a 15 and a 16.5 head. Same shafts I don't play both at same time. But I could play one as strong 3 and one as a 5 wood. The launch is that different
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:18 PM

The lofts on those m2 heads is all over the place. Ive seen them as high as 18.3. At least the m2 deep has a spec sheet on it if bought new. The Retail is a crap shoot both m1 and 2.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:34 AM

I had the same experience with my 2017 M2 fairways. I have a 15(14 actual loft ) and a 16.5 both shafted with Di-7s shafts that frequency within 3 cycles of each other. Yesterday I spent time on a foresight and I consistently carried the 15 degree  20 yards longer while still maintaining good height, around 95 foot apex. The 16.5 launched and spun way too high. Basically it was going the same distance as my 3 hybrid.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:17 PM

so im not insane, good to know

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View PostFirePro, on 10 November 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

I did try it but not in my flex, it was good but I got better performance out of the 2017 M3 3 wood head.  im sure if I could swap the shaft it would have been a good option but ya that would have taken a little more work and leniency from where I was purchasing it if only to test it out.

by the way nice sig, we could probably switch bags and have no issues ha

Thanks you too.  I'm jealous of the U45 in the 4 iron, could probably replace both my 3 iron and 4 iron with that.  I definitely made a mistake going with a 765 3 iron to fill the spot between my 745 4 iron and U45 2 iron.  The U45s are so damned easy to hit.  I have the swing speed to easily hit the 3 iron, but its just more demanding in terms of making a decent strike.  Is the gap between your U45 4 and 745 5 fairly large?

Back on topic.  You should also consider the '16 Deep Face M2 3HL.  It's been my favorite addition to the bag this year.  I've never liked a 3 wood until I found this club.  Even in HL, it still gets way out there and gives my driver a run for it's money occasionally.  The HL makes the play ability from not-so-perfect lies off the charts.  A bottomed shot still gets up and out there.
on the long end of my bag I don't mind the big gaps, if I need to hit slightly shorter than my U45 4 and more than I should with my 745 5 I choke up slightly and hit down on the ball a little more to add spin, height and reduce overall distance.  the same goes for between my 4 and 2 U45.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:32 PM

View PostFirePro, on 13 November 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

so im not insane, good to know

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View PostFirePro, on 10 November 2017 - 08:34 AM, said:

I did try it but not in my flex, it was good but I got better performance out of the 2017 M3 3 wood head.  im sure if I could swap the shaft it would have been a good option but ya that would have taken a little more work and leniency from where I was purchasing it if only to test it out.

by the way nice sig, we could probably switch bags and have no issues ha

Thanks you too.  I'm jealous of the U45 in the 4 iron, could probably replace both my 3 iron and 4 iron with that.  I definitely made a mistake going with a 765 3 iron to fill the spot between my 745 4 iron and U45 2 iron.  The U45s are so damned easy to hit.  I have the swing speed to easily hit the 3 iron, but its just more demanding in terms of making a decent strike.  Is the gap between your U45 4 and 745 5 fairly large?

Back on topic.  You should also consider the '16 Deep Face M2 3HL.  It's been my favorite addition to the bag this year.  I've never liked a 3 wood until I found this club.  Even in HL, it still gets way out there and gives my driver a run for it's money occasionally.  The HL makes the play ability from not-so-perfect lies off the charts.  A bottomed shot still gets up and out there.
on the long end of my bag I don't mind the big gaps, if I need to hit slightly shorter than my U45 4 and more than I should with my 745 5 I choke up slightly and hit down on the ball a little more to add spin, height and reduce overall distance.  the same goes for between my 4 and 2 U45.

745 5 iron - 210
U45 4 - 230
U45 2 - 250
M1 3HL - 255 (was)
M1 3 - 270

Your distances are basically spot-on even with mine.  I don't quite get the 5 iron to 210, but 250 with the U45 2 iron from the tee is what I get.

Yet My 16.8 degree M2 Deep Face goes easily 280+.  I'm not kidding when I say it really can give the driver a run.  I'll never see one go 315+ like the driver can, but would not be shocked at the occasional 300 bump.

The '16 DF head is so low spin that the added loft doesn't make it balloon, just easier to hit.  I strongly recommend giving it a try, it's the best addition to my bag this year.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 03:34 PM

ya the stock shot with the M1 3 wood goes 270 I was hitting it further occasionally getting it to 290 if I stepped into it with a running draw but that's not why I purchased it to swing all out, I may as well hit driver at that point.  I may even bump it back up to 15 deg from 13 deg if I feel I need to hit it into greens which is not typical for my game but its a thought anyways.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 05:20 PM

my experience with 3HL (tried 2: '16 M1, '16 M2 both tour issue) wasn't very impressive.

didn't feel much different from a 5W. 5W was actually easier to hit, i tend to have a problem with a bigger head, in fact, on tight lied deck. off-the-tee, however, it definitely had an advantage due to its higher loft i guess. no significant distance gain (to its $200 something street price tag) to a normal 3W (all o' my 3W are set 14º), tho. personally, i don't much see a point although it seems a good marketing hype.

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3. 3+. strong 3. now 3HL. the only 3-isque about a 3HL is the size of the head, not the loft, right? should we call it a 'balloon 5' or 'big boy 5' or something? calling a 16, 17º (and there's the actual loft on the spec sheet lol) club "3" always feels me weird and confusing... 3W now covers across 13 to 18º, it really dilute the original convenience of calling clubs by just numbers no?
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 05:27 PM

The HL went a mile in the air for me (M2). One look at the driver shaft in your sig. tells me that the last thing you should need is help getting the ball airborne my friend.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 09:02 AM

View PostThe Mad Bomber, on 14 November 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

The HL went a mile in the air for me (M2). One look at the driver shaft in your sig. tells me that the last thing you should need is help getting the ball airborne my friend.
valid point, getting the ball in the air was never really an issue.  Once upon a time I hit RBZ stage 2 5 delofted to 16 and it was a beast so I figured a little less loft in the new head would also work out but maybe the bigger head spins more who knows.  I also hit a RBZ TP 5 and was getting similar distance to the 3HL, again this could be due to the smaller head.

it worked out in the end and I was able to change the head to the standard 3 and deloft it to 13 deg and I now get the distance I was looking for and some extra if I want to step on it.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 09:25 AM

View PostFirePro, on 15 November 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

View PostThe Mad Bomber, on 14 November 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

The HL went a mile in the air for me (M2). One look at the driver shaft in your sig. tells me that the last thing you should need is help getting the ball airborne my friend.
valid point, getting the ball in the air was never really an issue.  Once upon a time I hit RBZ stage 2 5 delofted to 16 and it was a beast so I figured a little less loft in the new head would also work out but maybe the bigger head spins more who knows.  I also hit a RBZ TP 5 and was getting similar distance to the 3HL, again this could be due to the smaller head.

it worked out in the end and I was able to change the head to the standard 3 and deloft it to 13 deg and I now get the distance I was looking for and some extra if I want to step on it.

It's funny how the blue design is coming up on 15 years old and I still see it being bagged by a number of guys on WRX here. It's hard to beat that old classic, especially for the price of it. I tried the $800 Rogue when it came out and ended up getting the 110 MSI with my 915 because I didn't find them to be that much different and neither of them were as stable as the blue so back in the bag it went.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 01:33 PM

View PostThe Mad Bomber, on 15 November 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

View PostFirePro, on 15 November 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

View PostThe Mad Bomber, on 14 November 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

The HL went a mile in the air for me (M2). One look at the driver shaft in your sig. tells me that the last thing you should need is help getting the ball airborne my friend.
valid point, getting the ball in the air was never really an issue.  Once upon a time I hit RBZ stage 2 5 delofted to 16 and it was a beast so I figured a little less loft in the new head would also work out but maybe the bigger head spins more who knows.  I also hit a RBZ TP 5 and was getting similar distance to the 3HL, again this could be due to the smaller head.

it worked out in the end and I was able to change the head to the standard 3 and deloft it to 13 deg and I now get the distance I was looking for and some extra if I want to step on it.

It's funny how the blue design is coming up on 15 years old and I still see it being bagged by a number of guys on WRX here. It's hard to beat that old classic, especially for the price of it. I tried the $800 Rogue when it came out and ended up getting the 110 MSI with my 915 because I didn't find them to be that much different and neither of them were as stable as the blue so back in the bag it went.
I can only guess as to why some players like the Blue.  I know why I like it, its stiff and I feel like I know where the head is at all times.  I will probably continue to put the Blue in what ever driver I end up with, although I do want to try the RIP Alpha in driver as well.  I must like the stiff boardy feel of these old shavs.

could I use a shaft in my driver that has higher torque... probably but I probably wont be as comfortable with it.  

Have you hit a recent shaft that closely resembles the Blue?
Cobra FlyZ+ @ 8.5 deg w/Grafalloy (White) Blue X-Stiff tipped 3/4" @ 44.75"
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 01:44 PM

I still roll with the Stage 2 HL, best fairway wood I've ever played.  Haven't tried the M1 or M2 offerings and I'm not interested, Stage 2 was good enough to take the Vsteel out of my bag.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 01:54 PM

I like the 17 3HL .. I have a heavier low spin shaft in it and the loft turned down

Could go higher off the deck but beastly off the tee

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#21 The Mad Bomber

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:47 PM

View PostFirePro, on 15 November 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

View PostThe Mad Bomber, on 15 November 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

View PostFirePro, on 15 November 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

View PostThe Mad Bomber, on 14 November 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

The HL went a mile in the air for me (M2). One look at the driver shaft in your sig. tells me that the last thing you should need is help getting the ball airborne my friend.
valid point, getting the ball in the air was never really an issue.  Once upon a time I hit RBZ stage 2 5 delofted to 16 and it was a beast so I figured a little less loft in the new head would also work out but maybe the bigger head spins more who knows.  I also hit a RBZ TP 5 and was getting similar distance to the 3HL, again this could be due to the smaller head.

it worked out in the end and I was able to change the head to the standard 3 and deloft it to 13 deg and I now get the distance I was looking for and some extra if I want to step on it.

It's funny how the blue design is coming up on 15 years old and I still see it being bagged by a number of guys on WRX here. It's hard to beat that old classic, especially for the price of it. I tried the $800 Rogue when it came out and ended up getting the 110 MSI with my 915 because I didn't find them to be that much different and neither of them were as stable as the blue so back in the bag it went.
I can only guess as to why some players like the Blue.  I know why I like it, its stiff and I feel like I know where the head is at all times.  I will probably continue to put the Blue in what ever driver I end up with, although I do want to try the RIP Alpha in driver as well.  I must like the stiff boardy feel of these old shavs.

could I use a shaft in my driver that has higher torque... probably but I probably wont be as comfortable with it.  

Have you hit a recent shaft that closely resembles the Blue?

I really haven't. That shaft is just magic for me. I prefer it to a Whiteboard, like it more than the Oban purple, I'm honestly not a fan of the RIP Alpha - I liked the Rogue quite a bit more, it's boardier than a PL Red and I've never liked the feel of the Speeders. The AD-DI's are good but if you took away the blue tomorrow, I'd probably go back to the PL Red in my basement.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 02:01 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 15 November 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

I like the 17 3HL .. I have a heavier low spin shaft in it and the loft turned down

Could go higher off the deck but beastly off the tee
I had an Axivcore Tour Green 96g in it and could not keep the spin down, the RIP Alpha would have brought the spin down a tad but ya the performance of the 3 for me just works
Cobra FlyZ+ @ 8.5 deg w/Grafalloy (White) Blue X-Stiff tipped 3/4" @ 44.75"
Taylormade 2017 M1 set to 13 deg w/ RBZ TP Aldila RIP Alpha 70X Tipped 1" @ 42.5"
Srixon Z U45 4 & 2 w/ Aldila RIP Alpha 105 X Hybrid shaft (4 @ 38.5", 2 @ 39.5")
Srixon Z745 (5-PW) w/ KBS $-Taper X 130 Black
Callaway MD3 Black 51/11 w/ TT DG Tour Issue S400 Onyx Tipped 1/4"
Callaway MD3 Black 56/10 w/ TT DG Tour Issue S400 Onyx Tipped 1/4"
Callaway Mack Daddy PM Black 64/10 w/ TT DG S400 Onyx
Putter: Odyssey Havok
Ball: Srixon Z-Star XV Yellow

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