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Low launch/spin shaft for my 420cc R9 Driver

Taylormade R9 Low spin Low Launch shaft

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#1 Pete O'Tube

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:12 PM

Guys,

I need some help. I'm a 5 handicapper living in the South of England, playing on a chalk downland course with plenty of wind and I need to get more distance with my driver. My swing speed is around 83-88 mph. I've tried Ping 400, TM M2 and Lynx Black Cat recently, but don't like any of them, and get no real improvement over my 9.5 deg R9 with a Graffalloy Blue regular shaft. It's the original R9 with a 420cc (I think) head.
The trouble I have is that the flight is too high and there's no run out. I feel that I'm generating too much spin with this combination. I shall be getting it checked out with the pro soon to confirm this.

I'm considering a Graffalloy Red Regular or a Project X Black 5.5 shaft (I've used these in a BB Alpha in the past) to try and bring the flight down and would be open to your suggestions for a low launch/low spin shaft around 60-70 grams.

Hope you can help.  

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Titleist 913h 22deg hybrid
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#2 Stuart G.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:34 PM

Make sure to check the face impact location (impact tape or foot powder spray) as well as the LM numbers.  That by far has the biggest influence on launch/spin when compared to the head model, shaft, or even the loft of the head.

The original r9 has a spec playing length of 45".   All the newer drivers will typically be 1/2-3/4" longer - and that can potentially make a big difference on both your ability to get a good face impact location and even the dynamic loft you deliver.

After you make sure you are getting a good (and consistent) impact location - then it's generally much more effective to adjust the launch/spin with head loft then it is with changing out a shaft.  Yes, a shaft change may help - particularly if there is something distasteful about the feel you get of the newer (and likely softer) shafts loading and unloading.  But I wouldn't spend much (or any) money on a shaft w/o testing it out first if you can avoid it because there is no guarantee that it will help much.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 04:44 PM

View PostStuart G., on 08 November 2017 - 12:34 PM, said:

Make sure to check the face impact location (impact tape or foot powder spray) as well as the LM numbers.  That by far has the biggest influence on launch/spin when compared to the head model, shaft, or even the loft of the head.

The original r9 has a spec playing length of 45".   All the newer drivers will typically be 1/2-3/4" longer - and that can potentially make a big difference on both your ability to get a good face impact location and even the dynamic loft you deliver.

After you make sure you are getting a good (and consistent) impact location - then it's generally much more effective to adjust the launch/spin with head loft then it is with changing out a shaft.  Yes, a shaft change may help - particularly if there is something distasteful about the feel you get of the newer (and likely softer) shafts loading and unloading.  But I wouldn't spend much (or any) money on a shaft w/o testing it out first if you can avoid it because there is no guarantee that it will help much.

Stuart G,

Thanks for the interesting thoughts. I've recently moved to a longer tee (Orange/Silver from Pink - if you know your stepped tees! (cool) ) and am making a good strike on the mid to upper part of the face. I'll check the length of my Prolaunch Blue.

Edited by Pete O'Tube, 08 November 2017 - 04:48 PM.

Taylormade R9 (420cc) Prolaunch Red R
Callaway X2 Hot 3 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
​Callaway X2 Hot 5 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
Titleist 913h 22deg hybrid
4 - 9 TM RSi 2 KBS Tour 105 R
46.08 Vokey SM6

53.09 Vokey SM5
60.08 Vokey SM5
Ping Sigma G Tyne 34"

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 05:13 PM

Very likely the shaft is not going to change your ballflight all that much ... it will considerably change the feel of the club
Going to a prolauch red will probably reduce your launch angle by about 1/2 degree and reduce your spin by 100-200 rpm ... leaving you with roughly the same ballflight as before but less change in your wallet
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:30 AM

View PostGoopher, on 11 November 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Very likely the shaft is not going to change your ballflight all that much ... it will considerably change the feel of the club
Going to a prolauch red will probably reduce your launch angle by about 1/2 degree and reduce your spin by 100-200 rpm ... leaving you with roughly the same ballflight as before but less change in your wallet

I have a Ping i15 with a UST Mamiya proforce Red shaft.

The i15 is a lovely driver, but with a tiny sweetspot. Should I/Could I pull the shaft and install into a TM adapter?

Edited by Pete O'Tube, 12 November 2017 - 06:39 AM.

Taylormade R9 (420cc) Prolaunch Red R
Callaway X2 Hot 3 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
​Callaway X2 Hot 5 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
Titleist 913h 22deg hybrid
4 - 9 TM RSi 2 KBS Tour 105 R
46.08 Vokey SM6

53.09 Vokey SM5
60.08 Vokey SM5
Ping Sigma G Tyne 34"

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:44 AM

Aldila RIP Alpha (Red Eyes), lowest launching shaft I’ve tried so far. Can probably be had for a decent price these days.
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:30 AM

View PostPigems, on 12 November 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

Aldila RIP Alpha (Red Eyes), lowest launching shaft I’ve tried so far. Can probably be had for a decent price these days.

Thanks.
Sadly none to be had on eBay in the UK..........so far.
Taylormade R9 (420cc) Prolaunch Red R
Callaway X2 Hot 3 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
​Callaway X2 Hot 5 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
Titleist 913h 22deg hybrid
4 - 9 TM RSi 2 KBS Tour 105 R
46.08 Vokey SM6

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60.08 Vokey SM5
Ping Sigma G Tyne 34"

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:34 AM

View PostPete O, on 12 November 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

View PostPigems, on 12 November 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

Aldila RIP Alpha (Red Eyes), lowest launching shaft I’ve tried so far. Can probably be had for a decent price these days.

Thanks.
Sadly none to be had on eBay in the UK..........so far.

Try looking at older drivers, sometimes it’s cheaper to buy an older driver with a good shaft you can pull out than it is to buy a shaft alone. I’m sure something will pop up. The PX Blacks were not a bad shaft either for low launch, or the PL reds. Just gotta keep the eyes peeled while combing through eBay :)
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#9 Pete O'Tube

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:42 AM

I've got my eye on a PX Black at £65. I'm thinking of pulling a PL Red I have from a Callaway adapter and trying that. I've also got an Aldila Tour Blue and a Miyazaki B. Asha 4R that could be re-used.
I'm going back to eBay to look at drivers with the Red Eyes shaft now.
Thanks!
Taylormade R9 (420cc) Prolaunch Red R
Callaway X2 Hot 3 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
​Callaway X2 Hot 5 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
Titleist 913h 22deg hybrid
4 - 9 TM RSi 2 KBS Tour 105 R
46.08 Vokey SM6

53.09 Vokey SM5
60.08 Vokey SM5
Ping Sigma G Tyne 34"

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:40 PM

For low launch/low spin the Diamana D+ whiteboard has done the trick for me... I have the 72g which is great in a higher spinning head like the 913 D2 I had it in... It actually launched a little too low but created penetrating bombs for me...

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 02:04 PM

Pete,

I just started using a Matrix Radix 6321 strong (259 cpm) in my R9 with 10.5 of loft and it seems to do what you want. There should be a firm available cheap on Ebay.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 05:09 PM

I'll have a look for that too shart6. Thanks!
Taylormade R9 (420cc) Prolaunch Red R
Callaway X2 Hot 3 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
​Callaway X2 Hot 5 wood ATX Tour
Blue R
Titleist 913h 22deg hybrid
4 - 9 TM RSi 2 KBS Tour 105 R
46.08 Vokey SM6

53.09 Vokey SM5
60.08 Vokey SM5
Ping Sigma G Tyne 34"

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