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Anyone noticing this problem with the new Titleist 718 AP3's ?

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:35 AM

Yes, the title is a hook to get your attention.  This is a condensed review from my use of a demo set today.

About the tester, I'm a 13 index, strong swing (driver speed around 105-110) and most recently have played Titleist 714 AP2's since their release.  I'm looking for a bit of forgiveness from my irons & recently did a Titleist fitting.  The recommendation was +1" and KBS Tour S+ shafts in either an AP2, AP3 or a combo of both.  Go figure..?

Today's demo set were the AP3 with stock AMT black S300 shafts and standard  L/L/L.  The reduction of an inch from my standard meant a few thin shots when I wasn't concentratng which I've mostly discounted from discussion.

As per the thread heading, the AP3 distance was a legitimate problem for me which translated from the driving range to a bit of experimentation on the course today.

The AP3's are long, very long andI'll attempt to quantify in further discussion with a few photos.  I had some uncharacteristic fades and the odd block right which I think could be accounted for with the incorrect specs on the shafts.

Otherwise I was very impressed but would think a purchase would require a serious recalibration of my yardages.  I mean, I don't want for length at all just better dispersion and less score killer misses (like a long, lofty hook into trouble or OB!).  And as a teaching pro once said to me, golf holes are created with aesthetics in mind as you approach the green.  Over the back is more often than not a serious score killer for obvious reasons.

So with the extra distance gained in mind, I'll expand with a couple of photos to illustrate the outstanding performance these irons provided for me today.  In some cases a little too outstanding but that can be managed of course.  Are they seriously longer?  Well yes, but they are also far more forgiving han my 714 AP2's and I'll take that any day.

Bottom line, I have every intention of ordering these in my specs.  I'll just have to watch my yardages per club.  The par 3's were particularly interesting but read on if you're interested and I'll expand.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:41 AM

Before I highlight my impressions on a couple of holes, a comment on feel.

When alternating between AP2 and AP3 at the fitting, there was no doubt the cast AP3 head versus the forged AP2 head had a different feel.  We all know the AP2's are players irons and butter soft with excellent turf interaction.  The 718's were no different and the AP3's felt more crisp in comparison.

I've had these demo AP3's over a week now and I'm noticing that crispness (some would say harshness) a lot less now.  A miss with my 714 AP2's going hard left would sometimes still feel very sweet.  The AP3's gave more feedback when you were significantly off centre but lost comparatively less distance or accuracy.  

I'm a bit of a picker anyway, so with the less length in the demo set, there were a few more thin shots.  The clubs let you know but not offensively.  I was impressed.

Oh and as I've said before, these things look Hollywood.  I think the purists may dislike the slightly larger head but it did nothing to offend me at all.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:53 AM

And now to an experience on a par 3 hole.  Playing a slightly scruffy more public 18 (the members were using the better 18 for competitions today) at The Vines in Perth, Western Australia.  As it's warming up, the fairways do run and the greens are overwatered so the balls tend to plug & stick on most lofted shots.  I've used a laser for distances (& converted back to yards - we're all metric here  :tongue: ).

So this is a 176 yard Par 3, pin at the back.  It isn't too tough, has bunker trouble all along the left of the green and a lrage right bunker for the fade/slice miss.  Wind was maybe half a club head wind.

I'd usually hit a full 7 iron or conservative 6 iron to this green.  Today I hit 2 balls with my slightly higher teed up AP3 7 iron (to account for the lesser shaft length).

The results are in the pictures.  These gave serious 'miss' feedback and I thought they were going to be 10 years short of the green.  One missed lbadly left and had a lucky break from the elevation before the bunker, so it rolled on.

As the picture shows, for significant mishits into the breeze, these were only 6 or 7 yards off pin high and both on the green.  Not bad (cool)


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:03 AM

I just recently got a full fitting for the 718's and really liked the AP3 but I hit more approach shots from 130 then I do 180. The 180 yard 7 iron was a siren song for me personally with the AP3 and had a hard time walking away from the AP3's. Out of my own curiosity after being fit with a Project X 6.0 in both the 718 AP3 and AP2 and both irons were 1 degree up I came across a shop who was selling brand new 716 AP2's. I ordered the 4-PW 716 AP2 with PX 6.0 and MCC grips for $725 shipped and crossed my fingers. After 2 rounds and 2 range sessions I can tell you how much better the 716 AP2's are then my 714 AP2's. I had a 714 AP1 4 iron and the 716 AP2's might be more forgiving. Just easy distance from the 716 AP2's. the odd part was that I had PX 5.5's in my first set of 714 AP2's and really didn't care for them but the 6.0's in the 716 are just butter soft. It must have been the head design that just didn't fit me with the 714 AP2. The lower iron club gapping bothered me with the AP3, So you purchase a 4-PW and now need a 48* wedge and get a lower lofted Hybrid. No matter how you look at it though, The 716 AP2 and 718 AP2/AP3 are miles ahead of the 714 AP2's in terms of feel and performance. I had no issue with the feel of the AP3's, go demo the TM 790 if you want to feel a harsh feeling head. Be curious to see what you end up with.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:04 AM

Another Par 3 was just a little shorter to the pin at 170 yards with a slight tail wind.  You don't want to be short so I stuck with the 7 iron which I would usually use anyway.

Again I hit 2 balls and was struggling a bit with contact off the tee given I was trying to account for the club length difference.  I actually did better off the turf.

So the first shot was a slight block right with a little draw and again, not quite out of the middle.  With the tail wind it went 180 yards and almost airmailed the green.

Sticking with my selection and the experiment, the second shot was flush and only slightly out to the right - dead straight.  It went 197 yards straight into the back bunker.  I used the rake to try and make it's splashdown point visible for the phone's camera.  You can see where this is going.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:09 AM

Last one...and I know there's a reply up there already I haven't read yet...

A short dogleg right par 4 that was also running with a one club tail wind.  With a head wind, I'll use driving iron or 3W but tail wind it's usually just 3 driving iron (Mizuno MP H4).

So for the experiment, I used the stock AP3 4 iron.  And I nailed both down the middle with a nice little draw.  The two balls were at 221 - 223 yards.

Okay there was a tail wind but sheesh!  And that was with conservative roll out.  Check the pics;


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

So that left me approximately 150 yards to the pin from my laser.  I'd odinarily be out of range with PW but the stronger loft AP3 wedge (at 43 degrees) delivered them to about the 150 yards no problem.

The first ball had a slight over draw but flew well to the left hand side of the green.  The second ballooned a little and with a gentle push from the breeze going right to left, landed just on the right side of the grren and got a nice kick to the middle.  It didn't miss the right hand bunker by much but you don't have to draw a picture.

And excuse the fluffy iPhone pics :glare:


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

The forgiveness on the mishits are impressive. I am actually looking into getting a new set of irons as well. I currently play with the '09 x-forged callaway irons, pretty weak lofts with the PW at 47 degrees. I am with hondabuff though, as much as the forgiveness might be nice I just don't want irons that go that far. I am normally playing with my 8 iron down with approach shots and couldn't imagine hitting a 7 iron 200. Not sure I like what it would do to my gapping especially since I already get my 4 iron about 205-210 which is plenty for me. However, very interesting test. Hope they work out well for you!
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:23 AM

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I just recently got a full fitting for the 718's and really liked the AP3 but I hit more approach shots from 130 then I do 180. The 180 yard 7 iron was a siren song for me personally with the AP3 and had a hard time walking away from the AP3's. Out of my own curiosity after being fit with a Project X 6.0 in both the 718 AP3 and AP2 and both irons were 1 degree up I came across a shop who was selling brand new 716 AP2's. I ordered the 4-PW 716 AP2 with PX 6.0 and MCC grips for $725 shipped and crossed my fingers. After 2 rounds and 2 range sessions I can tell you how much better the 716 AP2's are then my 714 AP2's. I had a 714 AP1 4 iron and the 716 AP2's might be more forgiving. Just easy distance from the 716 AP2's. the odd part was that I had PX 5.5's in my first set of 714 AP2's and really didn't care for them but the 6.0's in the 716 are just butter soft. It must have been the head design that just didn't fit me with the 714 AP2. The lower iron club gapping bothered me with the AP3, So you purchase a 4-PW and now need a 48* wedge and get a lower lofted Hybrid. No matter how you look at it though, The 716 AP2 and 718 AP2/AP3 are miles ahead of the 714 AP2's in terms of feel and performance. I had no issue with the feel of the AP3's, go demo the TM 790 if you want to feel a harsh feeling head. Be curious to see what you end up with.

Thanks for the comments Honda.

For me, 130 is close to full AP2 PW or even my 50* Callaway MD2 (and I have a 54 & 58 in Cleveland RTX 3.0 but can't gie the MD2 up) at full tilt.  The AP3 demo set came with an AP3 48* but I think I'll just get the 50* MD2 bent to 49* as a compromise.  I can get away with this combo as I only carry driver, 3W and 3 driving iron, then 4-PW.

My concern with the mid irons was distance control as the odd flush contact would monster over the back.  Pretty disheartening when it feels so sweet.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:27 AM

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The forgiveness on the mishits are impressive. I am actually looking into getting a new set of irons as well. I currently play with the '09 x-forged callaway irons, pretty weak lofts with the PW at 47 degrees. I am with hondabuff though, as much as the forgiveness might be nice I just don't want irons that go that far. I am normally playing with my 8 iron down with approach shots and couldn't imagine hitting a 7 iron 200. Not sure I like what it would do to my gapping especially since I already get my 4 iron about 205-210 which is plenty for me. However, very interesting test. Hope they work out well for you!

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I've read plenty of comments with reservations about the feel, which I am convinced is a non issue.  The extra distance may be an issue as airmailing par 3's will probably feature heavily in the early rounds.

I'm thinking the AP3 set with KBS Tour S+ but not so sure I need the extra 1" now, maybe half or 3/4 at a pinch?

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:31 AM

View PostGava, on 08 November 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

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The forgiveness on the mishits are impressive. I am actually looking into getting a new set of irons as well. I currently play with the '09 x-forged callaway irons, pretty weak lofts with the PW at 47 degrees. I am with hondabuff though, as much as the forgiveness might be nice I just don't want irons that go that far. I am normally playing with my 8 iron down with approach shots and couldn't imagine hitting a 7 iron 200. Not sure I like what it would do to my gapping especially since I already get my 4 iron about 205-210 which is plenty for me. However, very interesting test. Hope they work out well for you!

Yes I'm an animal tex... :lol:

I've read plenty of comments with reservations about the feel, which I am convinced is a non issue.  The extra distance may be an issue as airmailing par 3's will probably feature heavily in the early rounds.

I'm thinking the AP3 set with KBS Tour S+ but not so sure I need the extra 1" now, maybe half or 3/4 at a pinch?

Test some knock downs with the Ap3's and let me know your thoughts. I hit a few 7 iron knock downs that flew 150 yards with 3000 rpm of spin and ran like a rabbit. I found the AP3 to be above average on full shots but below average with control on half to 3/4 shots. this is where I thought the AP2's showed their prowess.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:35 AM

 Gava, on 08 November 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

 texasvolfan, on 08 November 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

The forgiveness on the mishits are impressive. I am actually looking into getting a new set of irons as well. I currently play with the '09 x-forged callaway irons, pretty weak lofts with the PW at 47 degrees. I am with hondabuff though, as much as the forgiveness might be nice I just don't want irons that go that far. I am normally playing with my 8 iron down with approach shots and couldn't imagine hitting a 7 iron 200. Not sure I like what it would do to my gapping especially since I already get my 4 iron about 205-210 which is plenty for me. However, very interesting test. Hope they work out well for you!

Yes I'm an animal tex... :lol:

I've read plenty of comments with reservations about the feel, which I am convinced is a non issue.  The extra distance may be an issue as airmailing par 3's will probably feature heavily in the early rounds.

I'm thinking the AP3 set with KBS Tour S+ but not so sure I need the extra 1" now, maybe half or 3/4 at a pinch?

Probably right.

While I am addicted to the buttery smooth feeling of flushing an iron, sticking one close can be even more satisfying IMO. I've had plenty of shots where I flushed an iron, but just flushed it with an accidental draw or fade and its a bummer.

Not sure how much of an issue it is with an AP3, but with my swing speed I was always concerned with the more GI iron (not as much an AP3) that I would have that occasional complete air mail where it just went too far. I prefer shorter distance, but more consistent distances. Overall I think the AP3 is a good looking club though. I am addicted to how the AP2 looks though, just beautiful. Love the topline on it.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:36 AM

Good point.

On the trackman my spin numbers were great with the AP3's but you're right, they were all full shots.  That was why I made a play for the demo set to use all the irons in the bag and on course.  As I'm usually high with ball flight I'm hoping there won't be too many rabbits.

Will be a couple of days before I can get out there again but will share any revelations on that for sure.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:38 AM

 texasvolfan, on 08 November 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

I am addicted to how the AP2 looks though, just beautiful. Love the topline on it.

No argument there mate.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:44 AM

 Gava, on 08 November 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

 Hondabuff, on 08 November 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

I just recently got a full fitting for the 718's and really liked the AP3 but I hit more approach shots from 130 then I do 180. The 180 yard 7 iron was a siren song for me personally with the AP3 and had a hard time walking away from the AP3's. Out of my own curiosity after being fit with a Project X 6.0 in both the 718 AP3 and AP2 and both irons were 1 degree up I came across a shop who was selling brand new 716 AP2's. I ordered the 4-PW 716 AP2 with PX 6.0 and MCC grips for $725 shipped and crossed my fingers. After 2 rounds and 2 range sessions I can tell you how much better the 716 AP2's are then my 714 AP2's. I had a 714 AP1 4 iron and the 716 AP2's might be more forgiving. Just easy distance from the 716 AP2's. the odd part was that I had PX 5.5's in my first set of 714 AP2's and really didn't care for them but the 6.0's in the 716 are just butter soft. It must have been the head design that just didn't fit me with the 714 AP2. The lower iron club gapping bothered me with the AP3, So you purchase a 4-PW and now need a 48* wedge and get a lower lofted Hybrid. No matter how you look at it though, The 716 AP2 and 718 AP2/AP3 are miles ahead of the 714 AP2's in terms of feel and performance. I had no issue with the feel of the AP3's, go demo the TM 790 if you want to feel a harsh feeling head. Be curious to see what you end up with.

Thanks for the comments Honda.

For me, 130 is close to full AP2 PW or even my 50* Callaway MD2 (and I have a 54 & 58 in Cleveland RTX 3.0 but can't gie the MD2 up) at full tilt.  The AP3 demo set came with an AP3 48* but I think I'll just get the 50* MD2 bent to 49* as a compromise.  I can get away with this combo as I only carry driver, 3W and 3 driving iron, then 4-PW.

My concern with the mid irons was distance control as the odd flush contact would monster over the back.  Pretty disheartening when it feels so sweet.

You might want to keep your 714 AP2's for awhile; a combo set could keep the mid irons in check.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:53 PM

 gvogel, on 08 November 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

You might want to keep your 714 AP2's for awhile; a combo set could keep the mid irons in check.

I seem to have a pull miss with the 714's that is annoying me.  Whilst my hands get a bit inside at takeaway hence the pull, this seems to iron out a bit better with the AP3.

I also understand that the lengthened shaft will effectively add a little loft which could take a few yards off (and land softer on knock downs?).

You're right though, every now and again something clicks with the AP3 so they can take off like I've not seen before.  This can really confuse distances and it is the only thing holding me back just now.
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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:51 AM

You could get the lofts a bit weaker with the AP3. I have Ap3 with standard lofts and seem to get consistent distances with them.

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 08:19 AM

I've considered that and it makes sense, however the fitter was pretty adamant that adding length to the club as per my specs would weaken the loft slightly anyway.

I guess that's where I make the leap of faith to just order my specs as per testing and then focus on getting them dialled in.

Edited by Gava, 09 November 2017 - 08:20 AM.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:19 AM

Well this is just a reference thread from a mid handicapper's perspective but the positives of distance and forgiveness far outweigh the negatives of slightly more harsh feel overall.  

So I have now ordered mine.  Now excited to try them in my specs with the new KBS Tour S+ shaft.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:53 PM

 Gava, on 13 November 2017 - 04:19 AM, said:

Well this is just a reference thread from a mid handicapper's perspective but the positives of distance and forgiveness far outweigh the negatives of slightly more harsh feel overall.  

So I have now ordered mine.  Now excited to try them in my specs with the new KBS Tour S+ shaft.

Good on ya'. Very solid thread, thanks for all the different inputs on the performance, great insight. Distance definitely doesn't seem to be an issue for you judging by the clubs you're pulling.

I ended up ordering 8-PW in AP2, and 4-7 in AP3, while tweaking the lofts of both to blend better. My reasoning was that I want the consistency and control in the scoring clubs and the mid/longer irons to essentially be as forgiving as I could stand to look at (AP1 was not an option b/c the blend would've been hard for lofts, and I didn't like them at all). Matching with some higher launching shafts (Modus3, 105 S), I got to some good spin numbers and max distance, which was important for me. The AP2 in the shorter clubs still allowed me to hit feel shots that I wanted, whereas I almost want to be more "point and shoot" in the longer clubs.

We'll see, still waiting on Titleist to fulfill the order. *sigh*.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:45 PM

Thanks mate.  What's the wait time there for an order?  I'm expecting mine within 3 weeks but we'll see.

I agree a combo set is a great compromise but I'm happy enough with my shorter & mid irons in the AP3 so far (still have the demo set).

I think it's quite possible the 720 AP3's could be forged and I would jump at that.  Not everyone's way of thinking but if I buy a complete set now it will be easier to roll over in 18-24 months if I go again.
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