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#1 Sean2

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:35 PM

I played a course where all the pins were tucked...not one was in the middle of the green. And the problem with those pins was no sane golfer could attack any of them. The other issue was, if you hit the ball in the middle of the green you were faced with a long putt. So your good shot? Well, not so good. lol

Not sure if any of you played a course with those kinds of pins, but I did find it a bit annoying. lol

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:55 PM

Sometimes I️ feel like whoever sets up the pins at some of the courses I️ play is confusing our game with mini golf. Pins are right on the crest of a hill or tucked in unreasonable places. It’s actually really frustrating

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:01 PM

In agreement that gimmicky pin placements can make an otherwise great round incredibly tedious.  Pretty infuriating when you hit a good approach for a sold GIR and proceed to 4 putt because the hole is placed on the slope between two tiers and wont stop closer than 12 feet...  Holes like that are not good for one's blood pressure.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:07 PM

 Sean2, on 07 November 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I played a course where all the pins were tucked...not one was in the middle of the green. And the problem with those pins was no sane golfer could attack any of them. The other issue was, if you hit the ball in the middle of the green you were faced with a long putt. So your good shot? Well, not so good. lol

Not sure if any of you played a course with those kinds of pins, but I did find it a bit annoying. lol

What was the course superintendant's reply when you asked him about the hole locations?
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:26 PM

I don’t mind tucked pins, but the clown’s mouth pin on a steep slope makes my head explode.  Played a course a few weeks back where a putt that went six inches past the hole would come back to your feet.  

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:44 PM

They might have been doing a tipped and tucked day or leading up to one. My home course will do that one weekend, the Friday is usually the Tipped and Tucked tournament 4 person teams must have a total combined handicap of 24 and we play in 8-somes its gotten so popular. The pins usually stay in the the tucked positions for weekend for the people who cant make it out for the tournament.

I couldnt play every round that way, and its way more enjoyable when you know what youre getting yourself into ahead of time.

Though sometimes the new guy is told to set up the pins and doesnt play golf, there was a ground crew member this summer who didnt actually play and set up the flags. He put one 8 inches from the back fringe for some reason. People lost it on the poor guy. He thought it looked like a nice spot.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:55 PM

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:20 PM

I got paired with a recently retired maintenance guy at one of my local courses one day. I asked him how they rotate pin positions. He said they pick up the color-coded flag from the previous hole and drive to the next one (thereby rotating the front, middle, back pin positions this course uses). But where the cup gets actually cut on a normal day is up to that crew member that morning.

He said there was one guy who didn’t play golf and didn’t particularly like golfers and his method was to cut the hole precisely one flagstick length from the edge of the green, preferably closest to a bunker. Could always tell when that guy was on pin duty...it was like the weekend at a major with the tucked pins.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:55 PM

Encounter that rather often.  Does it annoy me, no.  It does, however, make birdies more difficult so PAR becomes my target, which I am good with anyway.

Courses divide greens up into 7 day quadrants.  When the superintendent comes in the am, he tells someone to place cups/pins.  Typically, the person placing them is clueless about fair positions, undulations or tight spots.  He just does what he's told.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:03 PM

"gotta exercise all area's of the greens" a quote from my superintendent . That being said, Sean it sucks cause some of greens have area's meant to penalizing for poor approach shots.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:13 PM

 Sean2, on 07 November 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I played a course where all the pins were tucked...not one was in the middle of the green. And the problem with those pins was no sane golfer could attack any of them. The other issue was, if you hit the ball in the middle of the green you were faced with a long putt. So your good shot? Well, not so good. lol

Not sure if any of you played a course with those kinds of pins, but I did find it a bit annoying. lol

My most played local course other than my club typically has easier than usual greens. They're large, slow, and break very predictably.  I played there about a month ago only to find the pins in ridiculous spots. Several front nine greens are two tiered. On all of them  the pin was in the middle of the hill between tiers. I played well on the front and had a terrible score due to putting. 10 feet above ended up 15 feet below. A couple of them required you to hole a putt from over 4 feet because you couldn't get the ball to stop closer than that. I naturally complained a little when I made the turn to the director of golf-that sounds much more formal than it should, he's a buddy of mine and I told him his hole placement sucked that day-and he told me that the day before they played an event where they tried to trick out the course to see what kind of high scores they could produce. Ergo the stupid hole placements. There was a frost delay that morning so they didn't have a chance to swap them out. Upon hearing this I promptly crumpled up my scorecard and played as an outlaw on the back.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:33 PM

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:36 PM

I set the sunday Pins at my home course quite often.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:58 PM

Happens a lot where I play. I don't really care where the pins are myself.
The big problem is tucked pins and pins on slopes just slow play way down
for everyone. That's fine on a Monday but on a busy weekend it doesn't
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But, OTOH, people come down here to play the trail and they want the
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 07:42 AM

Every single one was either tucked or on a slope this past Saturday. All 27 holes. It was enjoyable though as it was a 5-man scramble with 8-inch cups. Not something I would want to try with normal size cups or if it wasn't a scramble. Maybe a scramble with normal size cups.

Not sure why it need to be a 5-man scramble. Likely just the extra $$$ for the course.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 07:52 AM

We are also finding that this time of year the grass growth has stopped so old hole plugs are very obvious. The guy cutting the holes will place a new hole within a foot or two of an old hole that hasn't healed yet and won't for a while. Add to that the irregular depths of the holes they cut and one old plug will be raised and another sunken. The problem rests with the superintendents not providing the proper training or supervision and just sending someone out to get it done because they have to.

Back in the 70's and 80's I played a lot of course that had two holes cut on every green. You would play to the one that had the flagstick in it and when you were done playing the hole you put the flagstick in the other hole. This distributed the traffic on each green but obviously the system wasn't used for tournaments.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:34 AM

There's tucked and then there's impossible. A tucked pin should be a challenge, but you should be able to get at it with a good shot. Then there are placements where there shouldn't be a pin at all, where good shots and good putts are punished.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:23 AM

Tucked I can live with, the ones that are on slopes and just unreasonable are the ones that make you mad.  All you can do then is hope to get in some putting practice or it will make you explode

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:48 AM

Our course uses a grid of 9 hole locations on each green.  For example:

1   5   7
9   2   4
3   6   8

This is repeated in the same order on the back 9

10  14  16
18  11  13
12  15  17

So each 9 holes has 3 front, 3 middle, 3 back....3 left, 3 middle, 3 right.  And each 9 has its 'corresponding back 9 hole' in the same location.  So if 1 is back left, then 10 is back left.  If 2 is center, then 11 is center.  Each day the grid shifts so that over the course of 9 days, they have used all 9 locations on a green.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:39 PM

View PostSean2, on 07 November 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I played a course where all the pins were tucked...not one was in the middle of the green. And the problem with those pins was no sane golfer could attack any of them. The other issue was, if you hit the ball in the middle of the green you were faced with a long putt. So your good shot? Well, not so good. lol

Not sure if any of you played a course with those kinds of pins, but I did find it a bit annoying. lol
Sean would this have happen to be O S L in Bridgewater?


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:44 PM

My home course has 7 or 8 holes (out of 27) where the hardest pin positions (in terms on putting difficulty) are in middle of the green. You have to get towards the edges to find easier locations to putt on. Two of those greens have 5-6% slope in the middle. So it's a bit of a pick your poison situation on those holes: "easier" approach or "easier" putt.

A few years ago, we hosted a women's local college event and our assistant pro, who did the course setup for the event, got an earful from one of the coaches who complained about too many "easy" pins because they were in the middle. The gist of the complaint was that the women didn't need any favors. It wasn't until after the round that the coach truly understood how difficult the course had been set up.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:06 PM

 Sean2, on 07 November 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I played a course where all the pins were tucked...not one was in the middle of the green. And the problem with those pins was no sane golfer could attack any of them. The other issue was, if you hit the ball in the middle of the green you were faced with a long putt. So your good shot? Well, not so good. lol

Not sure if any of you played a course with those kinds of pins, but I did find it a bit annoying. lol

A course I was a member at used to have a "tough day" tournament where they put all the pins in ridiculous spots.  A score in the low 80s would usually win it.  I wonder if you played the course on the same day it had something similar going on?  Some courses call it "greenskeeper's revenge" lol.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:57 PM

As long as the pins arent on a ridge, and as long as they are far enough from the fringe (I think I see this being the most frequent mistake) I don't really even think about it while I'm playing. Every once in a while there will be an impossible one that gets me mad, but what can ya do. Everyone else has to play it too...

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 07:12 PM

Unless it is in a tournament...I really do not care as long as you can reasonably stop a putt near the hole.
In tournaments, I believe there should be a good mix of pin placements and not every hole be hidden or every hole easy as can be.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:22 PM

 Sean2, on 07 November 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I played a course where all the pins were tucked...not one was in the middle of the green. And the problem with those pins was no sane golfer could attack any of them. The other issue was, if you hit the ball in the middle of the green you were faced with a long putt. So your good shot? Well, not so good. lol

Not sure if any of you played a course with those kinds of pins, but I did find it a bit annoying. lol

Talk to the sup or director of agronomy. We're usually pretty practical. Or speak to a committee member and they'll approach us.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:35 PM

 greg0241, on 07 November 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Sometimes I️ feel like whoever sets up the pins at some of the courses I️ play is confusing our game with mini golf. Pins are right on the crest of a hill or tucked in unreasonable places. It’s actually really frustrating

Exactly...or they don't play golf themselves. :-)
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:36 PM

 EvanScottKing, on 07 November 2017 - 06:01 PM, said:

In agreement that gimmicky pin placements can make an otherwise great round incredibly tedious.  Pretty infuriating when you hit a good approach for a sold GIR and proceed to 4 putt because the hole is placed on the slope between two tiers and wont stop closer than 12 feet...  Holes like that are not good for one's blood pressure.

Middle of the green pin placement, relatively easy two putt, maybe a birdie...gimmicky pin location, you are happy to walk away with a par.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:38 PM

 sui generis, on 07 November 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

 Sean2, on 07 November 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I played a course where all the pins were tucked...not one was in the middle of the green. And the problem with those pins was no sane golfer could attack any of them. The other issue was, if you hit the ball in the middle of the green you were faced with a long putt. So your good shot? Well, not so good. lol

Not sure if any of you played a course with those kinds of pins, but I did find it a bit annoying. lol

What was the course superintendant's reply when you asked him about the hole locations?

I looked for him, but he wasn't around. That is the first time I played the course when I didn't see him. lol
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:39 PM

 golfgirlrobin, on 07 November 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

I don’t mind tucked pins, but the clown’s mouth pin on a steep slope makes my head explode.  Played a course a few weeks back where a putt that went six inches past the hole would come back to your feet.  

When I mentioned it in the pro shop, they laughed.  Part of the reason they won’t get my money, again.

Yeah, I don't think that is too funny. This is the first time playing the course where I saw it like that. On one par 3 I put the ball in the middle of the green. Pin was up front on a ridge. I barely hit the ball and it rolled off the green. A relatively easy par, maybe a birdie, became a bogey.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:41 PM

 Tasals, on 07 November 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

They might have been doing a tipped and tucked day or leading up to one. My home course will do that one weekend, the Friday is usually the Tipped and Tucked tournament 4 person teams must have a total combined handicap of 24 and we play in 8-somes its gotten so popular. The pins usually stay in the the tucked positions for weekend for the people who cant make it out for the tournament.

I couldnt play every round that way, and its way more enjoyable when you know what youre getting yourself into ahead of time.

Though sometimes the new guy is told to set up the pins and doesnt play golf, there was a ground crew member this summer who didnt actually play and set up the flags. He put one 8 inches from the back fringe for some reason. People lost it on the poor guy. He thought it looked like a nice spot.

I never heard of Tipped and Tucked. I was wondering if whoever set up the pins that day was nursing a hangover and was pissed off at the world. lol

 Soupy1994, on 07 November 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

Tuck em baby

If you are referring to shirts, I agree. :-)

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