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#1 Lourenofre

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 09:26 AM

It’s true that over the past couple of year there is an evident effort from the ET to enhance the fan and spectator experience, both at home and at the course, as evident by new playing formats (Golf Sixties), pre-tournaments shows (Hero Challenge), and even newer and modern broadcast and social media content where I personally consider the Et to be far ahead of the PGA tour (thumbs up to the marketing team). All of this conditions could set the perfect landscape for the European Tour to gain a boost in notoriety over the PGA, but every time a tournament is on there seems to be something missing, the marquee players.

It’s becoming more and more usual nowadays to see flag events on the European Tour lacking the big names if they aren’t either a Major or a WGC tournament. Recent evidence of such is this week’s event in South Africa, the Nedbank Golf Challenge where three of the top five players in the Race to Dubai standings (Rose, Rham and Garcia) opted to skip the event and thus apparently giving up on any chance they might have on winning the former European Tour Order of Merit (Tommy Fleetwood basically seals the deal with a top10 this week). Rewind the clock back a week, and the same has happen on the Turkish Airline Open, where have not Justin Rose Won the event, and Tommy Fleetwood might as well be awarded the R2D trophy on the spot. Damn, Rafa CB even skipped Valderrama to play in the PGA Tour Asian swing!

Now, we all know that almost all of the European golf stars have dual affiliation with both the PGA and the European Tour, but it’s becoming more and more evident that the majority of them only do it so for one reason, and that’s the Ryder Cup eligibility, which makes them play only the minimum amount of tournaments required to maintain the eligibility. By being aware of such, the European Tour came up this year with the Rolex Series, hoping for dual member on the PGA tour to come and play such events with higher purses, so that the tour could have stronger fields on such tournaments.
Now it seems to me that the strategy failed on the ET, as big names keep on skipping such events, opting to fulfill the minimum required appearances on other weaker tournaments, using them essentially to prepare the new season (like Rory did early this season in South Africa). The Money argument is now out of the equation, as purses on the Rolex Series plus the bonus on the R2D are closing the gap to the PGA tour, but players keep overlooking this events so something else must be wrong.

Some might argue that the huge amount of travelling and the calendar of the season can be blamed, but other suggest that the relationship between the players and the ET have seen better days, what are your thoughts?

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 09:44 AM

View PostLourenofre, on 07 November 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

It’s true that over the past couple of year there is an evident effort from the ET to enhance the fan and spectator experience, both at home and at the course, as evident by new playing formats (Golf Sixties), pre-tournaments shows (Hero Challenge), and even newer and modern broadcast and social media content where I personally consider the Et to be far ahead of the PGA tour (thumbs up to the marketing team). All of this conditions could set the perfect landscape for the European Tour to gain a boost in notoriety over the PGA, but every time a tournament is on there seems to be something missing, the marquee players.

It’s becoming more and more usual nowadays to see flag events on the European Tour lacking the big names if they aren’t either a Major or a WGC tournament. Recent evidence of such is this week’s event in South Africa, the Nedbank Golf Challenge where three of the top five players in the Race to Dubai standings (Rose, Rham and Garcia) opted to skip the event and thus apparently giving up on any chance they might have on winning the former European Tour Order of Merit (Tommy Fleetwood basically seals the deal with a top10 this week). Rewind the clock back a week, and the same has happen on the Turkish Airline Open, where have not Justin Rose Won the event, and Tommy Fleetwood might as well be awarded the R2D trophy on the spot. Damn, Rafa CB even skipped Valderrama to play in the PGA Tour Asian swing!

Now, we all know that almost all of the European golf stars have dual affiliation with both the PGA and the European Tour, but it’s becoming more and more evident that the majority of them only do it so for one reason, and that’s the Ryder Cup eligibility, which makes them play only the minimum amount of tournaments required to maintain the eligibility. By being aware of such, the European Tour came up this year with the Rolex Series, hoping for dual member on the PGA tour to come and play such events with higher purses, so that the tour could have stronger fields on such tournaments.
Now it seems to me that the strategy failed on the ET, as big names keep on skipping such events, opting to fulfill the minimum required appearances on other weaker tournaments, using them essentially to prepare the new season (like Rory did early this season in South Africa). The Money argument is now out of the equation, as purses on the Rolex Series plus the bonus on the R2D are closing the gap to the PGA tour, but players keep overlooking this events so something else must be wrong.

Some might argue that the huge amount of travelling and the calendar of the season can be blamed, but other suggest that the relationship between the players and the ET have seen better days, what are your thoughts?

If the purses are similar as you claim the only explanation is the convenience.  Most of the top players on both tours live in the US, traveling overseas is time consuming, adds days to their trip and I've read some locations lack accommodations that meet their expectations.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:13 AM

I'm in South Africa now and will be at Sun City for the week and am very disappointed with the strength of the field. They limit it to the top 64 on the race to Dubai and a few local  invites and if players pull out they just go down the list to fill the field.... essentially we get the same no cut field for the last 3 events from Turkey, S.A. and Dubai. Yes it can be exciting like last weeks finish but also a touch if the same week after week.
I'm going to pick on Rham here, at the Spanish open he stated his goal was to win the race to Dubai yet he has a poor week on a course that didn't suit him there, average again in China and then doesn't play Turkey or Sun City, so in my opinion he just talked a load of s***  ....  Sergio too yes has earned a break but since Spain has 3 weeks off before Dubai and thats if he even plays as he knows he cant win the race to Dubai.
Euro tour should make the last 3 weeks compulsory if you want to win the race to Dubai for say the top 50 then invite 15 or so players for Turkey and Sun City to fill the field and maybe a few locals, why not try get Langer or Couples or even Els or Goosen to Sun  City.
Not sure of the solution but it's going to be hot at 40 degrees here, windy and tricky for the players on a tight course but sadly it feels like a hit and giggle tournament like an and of season drink up with golf added.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:38 AM

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European Tour needs to watch its wallet over Rolex Series gamble

Pelley remains quite the showman but close analysis of his work continues to raise queries. What this Rolex Series will actually provide, barring more money at the elite level of the Tour and enhanced media coverage which it is hoped will make golf more accessible, is a cause for debate. The gulf in resource to the PGA Tour remains vast.

One could make a decent case for the batch of events as boosted, with the French Open being certain to follow, being strong enough in any case. What is being done for the poorly attended, unattractive stuff at the lower end? Pelley has to be careful not to pander only to the players at the top of his organisation.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:45 AM

It's just a ton of travel. Assuming you live in Orlando, if you were going to play the last 5 big purse Euro Tour events, you'd travel (in five weeks) almost 35,000 miles.

Orlando - Milan - Shanghai - Antalya - Sun City - Dubai - Orlando

And that assumes that you just travel straight through. That is a ridiculously grueling schedule.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 12:07 PM

The ET thought simply raising the purses would bring in the big names but honestly with all their winnings and sponsor $ the top players are not really motivated by big purses anymore esp the established guys with families.  The PGA and ET seasons are simply too long and these guys need time to recharge.  As mentioned many of these guys live in Florida, Arizona, etc (don't blame them as the facilities and weather are top notch) and don't want to spend weeks away from their families playing in Turkey or South Africa in November.  On the PGA they are not even motivated to play in Las Vegas which is in the backyard for many of these guys.  Quite a few of the top players skipped the WGC in China which was basically free money and fedex points. Just like the ET, the PGA events played this time of year are sparse on big names as the hungry web.com players typically comprise a big chunk of the fields.  The purses/fedex points are just as high at the Shriners and Mayakoba as the events played in the summer but still many big names are not interested in playing this time of the year.

The focus of most top tier players is majors, ryder cups, and the fedex championship.
I will say that injuries could be another concern for these guys.  Sneds has been injured for awhile.  Horschel, Burgoon, Na and a few others have pulled out or WD from tournaments the past few weeks due to injury too.

The ideal situation would be to have the PGA and ET work together to formulate schedules that would encourage big name fields for both circuits.  Unfortunately due to sponsors (let's face it they really run the PGA and ET $$$) I doubt that ever happens.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 01:27 PM

Plenty of top players skip the first or second Fed Ex Cup event.  These guys are independent contractors and guys playing both tours play a pretty grueling schedule.  With both tours essentially being year round now with the wrap around schedule guys are going to skip events.  The actual SOF is fairly strong

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:06 PM

View PostMick Douglas, on 07 November 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

I'm in South Africa now and will be at Sun City for the week and am very disappointed with the strength of the field. They limit it to the top 64 on the race to Dubai and a few local  invites and if players pull out they just go down the list to fill the field.... essentially we get the same no cut field for the last 3 events from Turkey, S.A. and Dubai. Yes it can be exciting like last weeks finish but also a touch if the same week after week.
I'm going to pick on Rham here, at the Spanish open he stated his goal was to win the race to Dubai yet he has a poor week on a course that didn't suit him there, average again in China and then doesn't play Turkey or Sun City, so in my opinion he just talked a load of s***  ....  Sergio too yes has earned a break but since Spain has 3 weeks off before Dubai and thats if he even plays as he knows he cant win the race to Dubai.
Euro tour should make the last 3 weeks compulsory if you want to win the race to Dubai for say the top 50 then invite 15 or so players for Turkey and Sun City to fill the field and maybe a few locals, why not try get Langer or Couples or even Els or Goosen to Sun  City.
Not sure of the solution but it's going to be hot at 40 degrees here, windy and tricky for the players on a tight course but sadly it feels like a hit and giggle tournament like an and of season drink up with golf added.

Els and Goosen are playing in Mexico this week on the PGA Tour. The field may not be as good, but the purse is only $400,000 less than the Nedbank Challenge.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 06:48 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 07 November 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

View PostMick Douglas, on 07 November 2017 - 11:13 AM, said:

I'm in South Africa now and will be at Sun City for the week and am very disappointed with the strength of the field. They limit it to the top 64 on the race to Dubai and a few local  invites and if players pull out they just go down the list to fill the field.... essentially we get the same no cut field for the last 3 events from Turkey, S.A. and Dubai. Yes it can be exciting like last weeks finish but also a touch if the same week after week.
I'm going to pick on Rham here, at the Spanish open he stated his goal was to win the race to Dubai yet he has a poor week on a course that didn't suit him there, average again in China and then doesn't play Turkey or Sun City, so in my opinion he just talked a load of s***  ....  Sergio too yes has earned a break but since Spain has 3 weeks off before Dubai and thats if he even plays as he knows he cant win the race to Dubai.
Euro tour should make the last 3 weeks compulsory if you want to win the race to Dubai for say the top 50 then invite 15 or so players for Turkey and Sun City to fill the field and maybe a few locals, why not try get Langer or Couples or even Els or Goosen to Sun  City.
Not sure of the solution but it's going to be hot at 40 degrees here, windy and tricky for the players on a tight course but sadly it feels like a hit and giggle tournament like an and of season drink up with golf added.

Els and Goosen are playing in Mexico this week on the PGA Tour. The field may not be as good, but the purse is only $400,000 less than the Nedbank Challenge.

I donít believe either are European Tour members this year and didnít qualify by the Race to Dubai.  Both are outside the top 50 in the world ranking which means they basically werenít getting an invite either.  They didnít really have a choice

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 03:34 AM

The European Tour tried to create another seven top notch highlight tournaments in a season that already goes year-round and features an array of other top notch events. As an international player you have 4 Majors, the Players Championship, 5 WCG tournaments. As a US player you have an additional three weeks of FedEx cup. Thee big boys have the Ryder Cup, and maybe a few events they have to play because of sponsor's demand.

If a European player who is exempt for all these events plays well there he earns enough points for the "Dubai Race around the world" that he can skip events like the Turkish, the Nedbank or even the Italian. They all will play one or two events leading up to the British, and at the start of the season they prefer to play 4 or 5 events in the US instead of hopping around the globe to play 4 events on 5 continents for mediocre purses.

If I remember correctly the Nedbank originally was the Sun City tournament, an Invitational for the Big Boys in the silly season, where no ranking points were at stake, just a fun event. They should have kept it that way. Now the second tier Euro Tour players are happy to go there, play an event with no cut and are guaranteed a chunk of money and some ranking points if they don't play all that bad. Even the Turkish last week only got coverage because the Olympic and Major champion Justin Rose won it. If we had a playoff between Haydn Porteous and Dylan Frittelli no one would have noticed. This week at the Nedbank the field is even weaker.

The regular Tour stops on the Euro Tour tend to degenerate to second tier evenets, with not so great fields and not so great purses because Mr. Pelley builds his strategy around the Rolex events. I believe that 5 years down the road the Euro Tour will have serious problems putting a halfway decent calendar together, because some of the smaller events on european soil are simply not willing to come up with the money the Tour wants from them. The difference in prize money between the Rolex tournaments and the other events is way too big, and sponsors in Europe simply won't put up 7 figure sponsor money for the perspective of having Nacho Elvira, Florian Fritsch, Dylan Frittelli (I love that name, nothing against the guy) and Matteo Manassero as the marquee players. If Commish Pelley finds someone in Azerbaidjian or the Ukraine (where noone is interested in golf) who throws big money at him for a tournament he will go there just for the sake of the money, the consequence will be that he loses presence on the European mainland and the British Isles (where golf is played by millions of people). If that's the way to grow golf and the Tour in Europe i doubt it's a good one.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 04:11 AM

The event this week is stronger than last week which is why itís offering more world ranking points.  The PGA Tour event this week has a bigger purse than Turkey did yet a much weaker field than Turkey had.  The purse at the Nedbank is only slightly higher but has a MUCH stronger field.  

The facts are the Rolex events are attracting stronger fields than previously and l think they will only get better fields moving forward

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 04:21 AM

The biggest problem with the final series is the travel involved, final 3 events are essentially on three different continents and not everybody is up for that.

If you compare that to the FedEx Cup, the first event is usually in New York and the second event is in Boston. Probably as much travel going to some of the airports for the ET as that.

I get that they want to give South Africa a big event but I just don't think it fits in well in the schedule. Better off in a South African swing in January.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 06:19 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 07 November 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

It's just a ton of travel. Assuming you live in Orlando, if you were going to play the last 5 big purse Euro Tour events, you'd travel (in five weeks) almost 35,000 miles.

Orlando - Milan - Shanghai - Antalya - Sun City - Dubai - Orlando

And that assumes that you just travel straight through. That is a ridiculously grueling schedule.
I think its this.  bscinstnct's comments on Pelley's management notwithstanding that's just too much seat time.  Having no cut events helps that somewhat because a guy can know he's not doing all that travel to just play 36 but still.  it's not like Australia where its a long trip but you can stay and play 4 or 5 events in a row.  That's just brutal travel.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 06:26 AM

View PostDave230, on 10 November 2017 - 04:21 AM, said:

The biggest problem with the final series is the travel involved, final 3 events are essentially on three different continents and not everybody is up for that.

If you compare that to the FedEx Cup, the first event is usually in New York and the second event is in Boston. Probably as much travel going to some of the airports for the ET as that.

I get that they want to give South Africa a big event but I just don't think it fits in well in the schedule. Better off in a South African swing in January.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 06:57 AM

Don't forget in regards to the Race to Dubai - it's a season-long thing. Not most-of-a-season-then-we-reset-at-the-last-minute


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:25 AM

They should do the final series (rolex events) in europe:

UK, Italy, France, Switzerland, Spain

Whatever...

There are so many good tournaments with decent fans in Europe.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:37 AM

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 08:35 AM

I think that it is hard to say that the Race to Dubai is in decline, I think what is more accurate is that the European Tour is currently in a transitional period when it comes to it's big names. With that being the case, to some it may seem that the fields are perhaps not as deep as they might be.

Guys like Westwood, Stenson, Poulter who have been huge names on the European Tour for more coming up two decades are well into their 40's now. They are still having good weeks here and there but can't be seen to be the players that they once were. As an example, if the Sun City tournament in it's current guise were played 10 years ago and it was Westwood coming up against Poulter on the final day, I think that everyone - fans, sponsors and tv companies - would be happy to have that and you would get a decent amount of people watching.

Add in to that McIlroy being injured, Rahm seemingly coming off the gas a little after an incredible year and Garcia having never been one for playing week after week even in playoffs (he does the same with the FedEx Cup) and you are left with a group of mainly youngish guys. The likes of Hatton, Fleetwood, Fitzpatrick, Pieters, etc. All good players with the potential to be great players. The problem is that they whilst they are known among the hard core golf fans, for the casual golfer and the guys or girls who might occasionally watch, they are still relative unknowns. If you were to ask a guy on the street in the UK, have you heard of Tommy Fleetwood, you would largely get a blank expression. Ask them if they have heard of Westwood and Poulter and you'd be much more likely to get a yes.

In the years to come, I have no doubt that the likes of Hatton, Fleetwood, etc will likely end up in a similar situation to the older guys now and the fields will seem like they are stronger as a result.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:22 AM

View Postbabyfade, on 10 November 2017 - 07:25 AM, said:

They should do the final series (rolex events) in europe:

UK, Italy, France, Switzerland, Spain

Whatever...

There are so many good tournaments with decent fans in Europe.

Maybe they should think about doing a football season type year, beginning in August and ending in July with the Open or a few events afterwards. The only problem with that is that the seasons would run into each other because you need to use all the weeks you can in the summer in golf. But it would ensure a strong start and finish to the seasons.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:58 AM

View PostMattyO1984, on 10 November 2017 - 08:35 AM, said:

I think that it is hard to say that the Race to Dubai is in decline, I think what is more accurate is that the European Tour is currently in a transitional period when it comes to it's big names. With that being the case, to some it may seem that the fields are perhaps not as deep as they might be.

Guys like Westwood, Stenson, Poulter who have been huge names on the European Tour for more coming up two decades are well into their 40's now. They are still having good weeks here and there but can't be seen to be the players that they once were. As an example, if the Sun City tournament in it's current guise were played 10 years ago and it was Westwood coming up against Poulter on the final day, I think that everyone - fans, sponsors and tv companies - would be happy to have that and you would get a decent amount of people watching.

Add in to that McIlroy being injured, Rahm seemingly coming off the gas a little after an incredible year and Garcia having never been one for playing week after week even in playoffs (he does the same with the FedEx Cup) and you are left with a group of mainly youngish guys. The likes of Hatton, Fleetwood, Fitzpatrick, Pieters, etc. All good players with the potential to be great players. The problem is that they whilst they are known among the hard core golf fans, for the casual golfer and the guys or girls who might occasionally watch, they are still relative unknowns. If you were to ask a guy on the street in the UK, have you heard of Tommy Fleetwood, you would largely get a blank expression. Ask them if they have heard of Westwood and Poulter and you'd be much more likely to get a yes.

In the years to come, I have no doubt that the likes of Hatton, Fleetwood, etc will likely end up in a similar situation to the older guys now and the fields will seem like they are stronger as a result.

The Race to Dubai isn't in decline.

It's appeal is just becoming more selective ; )






I, for one, think they have to somehow get ***Greece**** into golf. Is there a golf course in Greece?

Ahh, here is one. Look at that water. Have an event here. All the best players will go to party,swim,  have some octopus, and bring their families,

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#21 Lourenofre

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:29 AM

All of the reasons stated above are pretty much valid, but at the end they are contrubuting for making the Race to Dubai na unwanted prize. Having the top players passing on the sencond to last tournament, and thus the chance of getting the year end title makes a strong case about the importance the title has for the top Players.

I can understand that the calendar and the travelling don't suit their already busy schedules, but adding their name to the list of winners of the second most important golf tour in the world should be something worth the effort...
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:51 AM

Travel and money.  Winner gets a bonus of $1.25 million.  Most of the U.S. based Europeans would pay you $1.25 million NOT to have to fly to Dubai at the end of a long season.

The Fed Ex Cup works because it’s so much flipping money that you have to show.  

Even Crossfield said he didn’t care about it.  That’s not a good sign.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 12:24 PM

The European tour put on a charter flight from Turkey to Johannesburg yet some players didn't come for 7 million bucks. After Dubai the 2018 season starts the next week in Hong Kong, surely by having a schedule like that you guarantee a weak field and it is.

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 04:45 PM

 golfgirlrobin, on 10 November 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

Even Crossfield said he didn’t care about it.  That’s not a good sign.

Haha, Crossfield would care about anything if someone was willing to pay him a fiver to turn up and pass on his golf expertise! In fact, I would pay you double if you could guarantee that I would never need to hear about Crossfield ever again.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 06:02 PM

 Short Pete, on 10 November 2017 - 03:34 AM, said:

If I remember correctly the Nedbank originally was the Sun City tournament, an Invitational for the Big Boys in the silly season, where no ranking points were at stake, just a fun event.
The Nedbank/Million Dollar Challenge awarded world ranking points from 1986-1999 and 2006-2015. It did not award ranking points from 2000-2005.


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:10 PM

As someone who is an avid golf fan and watches all the major tours( mostly US pga, but I️ dabble in the others) I️ am familiar with most of the players and I️ just can’t get turned on by Euro your golf. I️ still watch because there are some amazing players, but I️ personally am unfamiliar with the courses, don’t see many “rivalries”, and don’t understand the location choices.

I️ mean let’s play more golf in Europe and utilize more of the great Irish and Scottish courses. That would get me watching more.


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 09:38 PM

 CrushSticks, on 10 November 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

As someone who is an avid golf fan and watches all the major tours( mostly US pga, but I️ dabble in the others) I️ am familiar with most of the players and I️ just can’t get turned on by Euro your golf. I️ still watch because there are some amazing players, but I️ personally am unfamiliar with the courses, don’t see many “rivalries”, and don’t understand the location choices.

I️ mean let’s play more golf in Europe and utilize more of the great Irish and Scottish courses. That would get me watching more.
Many of the courses you are thinking of in Scottland and Ireland have no interest in hosting such events and probably not have any finacial gain
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 11:45 PM

It is a work in development.

The Race to Dubai has had numerous changes since it was established.

I'm sure it will find its place soon.

It is great for golf to gain exposure to non-traditional golfing nations.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:05 AM

 Santiago Golf, on 10 November 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:

 CrushSticks, on 10 November 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

As someone who is an avid golf fan and watches all the major tours( mostly US pga, but I️ dabble in the others) I️ am familiar with most of the players and I️ just canít get turned on by Euro your golf. I️ still watch because there are some amazing players, but I️ personally am unfamiliar with the courses, donít see many ďrivalriesĒ, and donít understand the location choices.

I️ mean letís play more golf in Europe and utilize more of the great Irish and Scottish courses. That would get me watching more.
Many of the courses you are thinking of in Scottland and Ireland have no interest in hosting such events and probably not have any finacial gain

Yeah the courses that used to hold events outside the national Opens were the likes of The K Club, Gleneagles and Mount Juliet, because they had cash to burn. Many of the links courses would have no interest in the effort that goes into hosting a European Tour event.

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 12:50 AM

I personally love the RTD, but I feel the missing "big" names has more to do with euro player greed attempting to double dip on both tours.  When they fail to perform in their limited euro tour starts, then they have no incentive to keep pushing.

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