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#61 Jungleland

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:19 PM

View Posterock9174, on 02 January 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

View PostJungleland, on 02 January 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

The opening preamble however was not, when you start with a negative you lose your audience before they get to the heart of the story - this is by design:

The last year has been a tumultuous one for TaylorMade Golf. Gone are the days of a midnight driver launch, where golfers lined up to grab the latest and greatest from the company that was billed as the number one driver in golf. Back in May, the company was sold by adidas to KPS Capital Partners and the next several months were filled with a lot of changes internally.

Definitely not a THP apologist but I would say that is a pretty accurate description of TM in the recent past.  No ?

Don't argue that point, I just see agenda's for what they are however.  A new release isn't necessarily a time for punditry but reporting the facts about the new release.

Edited by Jungleland, 02 January 2018 - 02:35 PM.


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#62 SwingMan

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:38 PM

View Postjjfcpa, on 27 December 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

I don't get it.  All this price creep in a market that everyone says is not growing.  So OEM's have to increase their prices to maintain their profit margins?  I wonder if any of them thought of decreasing their profit margins and increasing their units sold as a way to increase their profit margins?  Basic finance and in a diminishing market, it's a great temporary strategy.  Steal market share based on pricing, then make a moderate price increase year-over-year.  Going up $ 5 on a $ 39.99 price is a little extreme; especially if there is no performance improvement to go with it.

Saw a note from Callaway in their community -- if no performance improvement, that tech does not go into the ball and no higher price. If the tech costs more and results in performance improvement, they will increase the price, but no, not up to the ProV line.
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Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM

Look, the major difference between here and over there are the owner and some of the mods. There are a few mods over there that stand up for everyone. This site has as many Taylormade fanboys, Callaway fanboys, Ping fanboys, etc. Probably more of each if I had to say. Everyone spars with the other demanding their latest purchase is the best. I am right in among them. Over here, you'll never see a mod jump in and detract from any brand, whether it be a sponsor or not. They just remain quiet and allow the community to work. Over there you have an owner that will completely destroy a manufacturer in the community's eyes with hundreds of small leading posts. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:56 PM

View Postawtryau89, on 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

Not refuting your statement.

I voiced my opinions a few times and while I wasn’t blocked most of my questions about product, etc were ignored.

I think the main difference between the sites is sheer size. Over here mods don’t need to get involved because readership is so large. Over there you’d have no thread movement if the owner, staff writers and mods didn’t spend 24 hrs of their day posting.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:42 PM

View PostJungleland, on 01 January 2018 - 04:20 PM, said:

View Postawtryau89, on 01 January 2018 - 11:42 AM, said:

View PostJungleland, on 31 December 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

View Postjjfcpa, on 27 December 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

I don't get it.  All this price creep in a market that everyone says is not growing.  So OEM's have to increase their prices to maintain their profit margins?  I wonder if any of them thought of decreasing their profit margins and increasing their units sold as a way to increase their profit margins?  Basic finance and in a diminishing market, it's a great temporary strategy.  Steal market share based on pricing, then make a moderate price increase year-over-year.  Going up $ 5 on a $ 39.99 price is a little extreme; especially if there is no performance improvement to go with it.

Be careful, the sycophants on the other site who are incredibly objective after being seeded with thousands of dollars of freebies will shoot down that logic!!

Hey, there's not bias on that site. Just ask and they will immediately tell you so. Just don't try and like any equipment by any manufacturer that doesn't sponsor one of their trips and you'll be fine.


What a clown show they are!!!

As evidenced by the head of the lemmings starting his first shot across the bow at the M3 and M4 drivers - technology can't be revolutionary when you aren't a sponsor.

All the above...so funny and so true.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:02 PM

View Postawtryau89, on 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Look, the major difference between here and over there are the owner and some of the mods. There are a few mods over there that stand up for everyone. This site has as many Taylormade fanboys, Callaway fanboys, Ping fanboys, etc. Probably more of each if I had to say. Everyone spars with the other demanding their latest purchase is the best. I am right in among them. Over here, you'll never see a mod jump in and detract from any brand, whether it be a sponsor or not. They just remain quiet and allow the community to work. Over there you have an owner that will completely destroy a manufacturer in the community's eyes with hundreds of small leading posts. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

View Posterock9174, on 02 January 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

View Postawtryau89, on 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

Not refuting your statement.

I voiced my opinions a few times and while I wasn't blocked most of my questions about product, etc were ignored.

I think the main difference between the sites is sheer size. Over here mods don't need to get involved because readership is so large. Over there you'd have no thread movement if the owner, staff writers and mods didn't spend 24 hrs of their day posting.

Good to see people are finally seeing past the bullxxxx over there. Moving on from that place was one of the best things I ever did regardless of free stuff or not.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:28 PM

View PostSwingMan, on 02 January 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

Saw a note from Callaway in their community -- if no performance improvement, that tech does not go into the ball and no higher price. If the tech costs more and results in performance improvement, they will increase the price, but no, not up to the ProV line.
That's interesting. Using that statement I guess Callaway thought there was massive performance improvement and tech in the Speed Regime balls as they were $47.99 at retail, same as the ProV1, when they first came out.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:34 PM

Its seriously amazing. Huge improvement. Flys forever off the driver, but consistent unlike the original CS. Has such a great feel to it. Would highly recommend even titleist loyalists even pick up a sleeve because this is in a league of its own.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:11 PM

View PostCharles.eichman, on 17 January 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:

Its seriously amazing. Huge improvement. Flys forever off the driver, but consistent unlike the original CS. Has such a great feel to it. Would highly recommend even titleist loyalists even pick up a sleeve because this is in a league of its own.

Has to be sarcasm-

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:32 AM

View Postgrm24, on 17 January 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

View PostSwingMan, on 02 January 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

Saw a note from Callaway in their community -- if no performance improvement, that tech does not go into the ball and no higher price. If the tech costs more and results in performance improvement, they will increase the price, but no, not up to the ProV line.
That's interesting. Using that statement I guess Callaway thought there was massive performance improvement and tech in the Speed Regime balls as they were $47.99 at retail, same as the ProV1, when they first came out.

Hey, hey, I liked the SR1 - spun like a top for a lower speed golfer. Just didn't have any ... hear it? ... sound.

Maybe they've changed their pricing philosophy since the CS had its coming out party.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 04:52 AM

Callaway just put up the new ball details on their site in advance of PGA demo day today.  I really hope they have them available to hit today.  Its the #1 item on my list to demo.  They are claiming noticeable distance gains with irons for all player levels and noticeable increase in green side spin.

http://cmp.callawayg.../chromesoft2018

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:31 AM

View PostHehateme, on 17 January 2018 - 08:11 PM, said:

View PostCharles.eichman, on 17 January 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:

Its seriously amazing. Huge improvement. Flys forever off the driver, but consistent unlike the original CS. Has such a great feel to it. Would highly recommend even titleist loyalists even pick up a sleeve because this is in a league of its own.

Has to be sarcasm-

No, graphene.
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 09:54 AM

I’m not seeing truvis
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 11:48 AM

View PostCharles.eichman, on 17 January 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:

Its seriously amazing. Huge improvement. Flys forever off the driver, but consistent unlike the original CS. Has such a great feel to it. Would highly recommend even titleist loyalists even pick up a sleeve because this is in a league of its own.

Says Charles.eichman but sounds like Harry :-)
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:17 PM

Haha i wish

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 02:18 PM

View PostStanks, on 23 January 2018 - 09:54 AM, said:

I’m not seeing truvis
They have truvis
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 04:41 PM

View Postsirparalot, on 23 January 2018 - 04:52 AM, said:

Callaway just put up the new ball details on their site in advance of PGA demo day today.  I really hope they have them available to hit today.  Its the #1 item on my list to demo.  They are claiming noticeable distance gains with irons for all player levels and noticeable increase in green side spin.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:18 AM

View Postjjfcpa, on 27 December 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

I don't get it.  All this price creep in a market that everyone says is not growing.  So OEM's have to increase their prices to maintain their profit margins?  I wonder if any of them thought of decreasing their profit margins and increasing their units sold as a way to increase their profit margins?  Basic finance and in a diminishing market, it's a great temporary strategy.  Steal market share based on pricing, then make a moderate price increase year-over-year.  Going up $ 5 on a $ 39.99 price is a little extreme; especially if there is no performance improvement to go with it.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 04:30 PM

thats why Snell is the ball to play...at $31.00 it cant be beat, and now two new offerings, Dean Snell is no BS, why pay more

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 10:43 PM

View Postmonks66, on 17 February 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

thats why Snell is the ball to play...at $31.00 it cant be beat, and now two new offerings, Dean Snell is no BS, why pay more

You change your mind more than my ex-wife !!! :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:15 AM

you are in the group of other homers......why do you care what I do?  worry more about bettering your golf game instead of me, i am sure your game can use some improving ...

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:01 AM

View Postmonks66, on 19 February 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

you are in the group of other homers......why do you care what I do?  worry more about bettering your golf game instead of me, i am sure your game can use some improving ...

I don't care what you do. It's funny though, you waffling back and forth all the time. You remind me of a guy,,,,,,,,,,,,

As others have mentioned you put yourself and your opinions out there for discussion; don't get mad if they're discussed.
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Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:18 AM

Out this week in UK. At least £5/$7 a dozen price rise. Rep told our Pro he will gain up to 15 yards per iron.....yeah right. I shall snaffle a sleeve of Xs and give them a run out. Mind you sodden course and 5 degrees above not ideal.

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:35 PM

View PostSwingMan, on 23 January 2018 - 06:31 AM, said:

View PostHehateme, on 17 January 2018 - 08:11 PM, said:

View PostCharles.eichman, on 17 January 2018 - 01:34 PM, said:

Its seriously amazing. Huge improvement. Flys forever off the driver, but consistent unlike the original CS. Has such a great feel to it. Would highly recommend even titleist loyalists even pick up a sleeve because this is in a league of its own.

Has to be sarcasm-

No, graphene.

Yea, wasn't that way for me. I am on Cally staff and am supposed to love the ball but I don't. I think I like last years ball (X) better.

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:45 PM

View Postchisag, on 17 February 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

View Postjjfcpa, on 27 December 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

I don't get it.  All this price creep in a market that everyone says is not growing.  So OEM's have to increase their prices to maintain their profit margins?  I wonder if any of them thought of decreasing their profit margins and increasing their units sold as a way to increase their profit margins?  Basic finance and in a diminishing market, it's a great temporary strategy.  Steal market share based on pricing, then make a moderate price increase year-over-year.  Going up $ 5 on a $ 39.99 price is a little extreme; especially if there is no performance improvement to go with it.

... Several years ago I was talking to the Srixon Marketing VP at the PGA Show about the $39.99 Z Star competing with Prov1's that were $45.99 at that time. I said it as easy to promote a ball that was considerably less but providing equal performance. I was very interested in the new and improved Z Star and wanted to write a review as I loved promoting  products of equal performance that are priced lower than their direct competitors. He reluctantly told me Srixon was raising the price of the Z Star/XV to $44.99 and I could tell he was not a fan of the move. I said I could no longer promote the ball at an equal price because balls are so personal and when they are the same price there is little reason to promote one over another. I asked him why the change in pricing when I knew they were going to lose customers. He said the Sales Dept had crunched the numbers and even though they would lose some customers, the increase in price would offset that loss and they predicted they would still come out slightly ahead in sales dollars. I said yea, but you will be losing customers and could Srixon afford to do that? As Marketing Director he could not throw Sales under the bus but he did say his goal was to gain and keep customers and he hoped the price increase would not make that goal more difficult. As close as he could come to saying it was a bad move but he had to play along.
weird that must have backfired because last year they were selling promo packs for $10 for 6 balls which is $20 a dozen and even after they dried up they never got over $39.99

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 01:37 PM

I get it.  If you want to match your competition, you have to have a product that also matches their competition's PRICE.  So if they are selling a ball for $ 44.95, you have to price yours accordingly or the golfer will infer that is inferior if priced lower.  That's what makes this whole thing so crazy.  As soon as one increases their price to $ 49.95, there will be a bunch of others that will add some new marketing glitz and remarks about a new production feature that makes their ball so much better, and oh by the way, now price it at $ 49.95.  What are we stupid?  Is it really worth a $ 1 more per ball to get an extra yard or two?  Most of the time I find that if I was 10-15 yards shorter, I'd have a better layup shot.  That's why these internet only suppliers (Snell, Vice, OnCore, etc) are looking so attractive.  Everyone knows they don't have a "presence" in golf stores so you have to be willing to give up the "image" of playing a name brand ball.  Funny thing is, every time I've given a buddy an MTB (Snell My Tour Ball) to try, they say, "wow, this ball is every bit as good as what I'm playing".  And I say, "yea, and a lot cheaper too."

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 01:56 PM

View Postjjfcpa, on 20 February 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

I get it.  If you want to match your competition, you have to have a product that also matches their competition's PRICE.  So if they are selling a ball for $ 44.95, you have to price yours accordingly or the golfer will infer that is inferior if priced lower.  That's what makes this whole thing so crazy.  As soon as one increases their price to $ 49.95, there will be a bunch of others that will add some new marketing glitz and remarks about a new production feature that makes their ball so much better, and oh by the way, now price it at $ 49.95.  What are we stupid?  Is it really worth a $ 1 more per ball to get an extra yard or two?  Most of the time I find that if I was 10-15 yards shorter, I'd have a better layup shot.  That's why these internet only suppliers (Snell, Vice, OnCore, etc) are looking so attractive.  Everyone knows they don't have a "presence" in golf stores so you have to be willing to give up the "image" of playing a name brand ball.  Funny thing is, every time I've given a buddy an MTB (Snell My Tour Ball) to try, they say, "wow, this ball is every bit as good as what I'm playing".  And I say, "yea, and a lot cheaper too."


... That is just faulty reasoning in the real world, at least until the ball is thought of as close to it's competition. Titleist and to a slightly lessor degree the ProV1 has a stranglehold on the market for the average guy on the street. I play a ton as a single getting paired ups with others and the amount of times I have asked what ball are you playing on the first tee and heard "Titleist #3" has to be 90%. Not ProV1 or NXT Tour, just Titleist. It is rare for me to lay with someone using a Chrome Soft, Z Star or TP5x. It happens of course but by far the minority. And the only way too put a dent in the Titleist monopoly os to sell a comparable ball at a lower price. Z Star got off to a god start gaining some players at $39.99 compared to $45.99 but then made a bad business decision and lost customers increasing their price to $44.99. Callaway did the same thing with the Chrome soft going form $39.99 to $44.95 after gaining a lot of momentum. It will be interesting to see if golfers think Graphene is with another $5 a dozen and Cally runs the risk of losing customers just like Srixon.

... Knowledgeable forum golfers will certainly give any ball a shot including all you mentioned but not the average muni weekend guy. He is playing Titleist and until there is an in store promotion or a major advertising push saying "The Z Star tested as well or better than the ProV1 and it sells for much less. Our Pro's trust Srixon so why not give the Z Star a shot?" And even then it is still a steep uphill climb. Even + index players that should know better insist on Titleist. I played with a guy that has won several times on the Florida mini tours last month and he said he only plays ProV1's in competition. He has been comped some "other" premium balls and played them in practice rounds but only trusts ProV1's under pressure. He even admitted it is just what he has always played and a little bit of superstition but has no desire to change.
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 08:26 PM

In our foursome today we had 2 Bridgestone players and 2 Callaway.  I also found 4 balls on the course which was a very best up V1X, a NXT Tour , a TP5X and a MG.  Maybe it’s geographical but Titleist doesn’t have a strangle hold where I play at.  Maybe it’s because the pro shop doesn’t even carry Titleist.

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 02:15 PM

View PostKmac™, on 17 January 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

View Postawtryau89, on 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Look, the major difference between here and over there are the owner and some of the mods. There are a few mods over there that stand up for everyone. This site has as many Taylormade fanboys, Callaway fanboys, Ping fanboys, etc. Probably more of each if I had to say. Everyone spars with the other demanding their latest purchase is the best. I am right in among them. Over here, you'll never see a mod jump in and detract from any brand, whether it be a sponsor or not. They just remain quiet and allow the community to work. Over there you have an owner that will completely destroy a manufacturer in the community's eyes with hundreds of small leading posts. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

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View Postawtryau89, on 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

Not refuting your statement.

I voiced my opinions a few times and while I wasn't blocked most of my questions about product, etc were ignored.

I think the main difference between the sites is sheer size. Over here mods don't need to get involved because readership is so large. Over there you'd have no thread movement if the owner, staff writers and mods didn't spend 24 hrs of their day posting.

Good to see people are finally seeing past the bullxxxx over there. Moving on from that place was one of the best things I ever did regardless of free stuff or not.

sorry, what other site are we referring to? thx

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 10:55 AM

View PostKillerBgolfer, on 24 February 2018 - 02:15 PM, said:

View PostKmac™, on 17 January 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

View Postawtryau89, on 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Look, the major difference between here and over there are the owner and some of the mods. There are a few mods over there that stand up for everyone. This site has as many Taylormade fanboys, Callaway fanboys, Ping fanboys, etc. Probably more of each if I had to say. Everyone spars with the other demanding their latest purchase is the best. I am right in among them. Over here, you'll never see a mod jump in and detract from any brand, whether it be a sponsor or not. They just remain quiet and allow the community to work. Over there you have an owner that will completely destroy a manufacturer in the community's eyes with hundreds of small leading posts. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

View Posterock9174, on 02 January 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

View Postawtryau89, on 02 January 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

. No one will ever take him to task because they wouldn't want to jeopardize their chance at being chosen for one of their "truly randomized" trips. Its really a joke and I was part of it for a while until I decided it wasn't worth being anyone's b****.

Not refuting your statement.

I voiced my opinions a few times and while I wasn't blocked most of my questions about product, etc were ignored.

I think the main difference between the sites is sheer size. Over here mods don't need to get involved because readership is so large. Over there you'd have no thread movement if the owner, staff writers and mods didn't spend 24 hrs of their day posting.

Good to see people are finally seeing past the bullxxxx over there. Moving on from that place was one of the best things I ever did regardless of free stuff or not.

sorry, what other site are we referring to? thx

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