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Would you rather...win or 2nd at Major


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Poll: 2nd @ Major or Win Opposite Field Event (88 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you rather

  1. Win and opposite field event (65 votes [73.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.86%

  2. Finish solo 2nd at a major (23 votes [26.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.14%

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#1 SkiSchoolPro

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:47 PM

Win an opposite field event (under $800 K and 300 Fed Ex Points) OR finish solo 2nd at a major (~$1.3 M & 330 points)?


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:57 PM

 SkiSchoolPro, on 30 October 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

Win an opposite field event (under $800 K and 300 Fed Ex Points) OR finish solo 2nd at a major (~$1.3 M & 330 points)?

Jack must be like,

$1.3MM for finishing second once!

I got a total of 15 grand for 19 seconds.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:59 PM

That's a toughie... If I was a middling PGA tour member and I wasn't playing my best, the opposite field win would keep me in a job for a couple years (in addition to the FedEx points).
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:16 PM

Like people say as they get older - "Depends".

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:51 PM

solo second in major for sure


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:56 PM

No one remembers the first runner up but you always remember the winner.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:58 PM

Winning a Tournament not only get you another 2 years on tour, but also invitations to the 3 of the 4 Majors, doesn't it? An up and comer like Tony Finau won an opposite field event and he used it as a spring board.

Getting 2nd in the Masters would always get me to kick myself. "Why didn't you WIN!!"

Winning is always better than losing.

Edited by JerseyBoy, 30 October 2017 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 02:21 PM

 JerseyBoy, on 30 October 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Winning a Tournament not only get you another 2 years on tour, but also invitations to the 3 of the 4 Majors, doesn't it? An up and comer like Tony Finau won an opposite field event and he used it as a spring board.

Getting 2nd in the Masters would always get me to kick myself. "Why didn't you WIN!!"

Winning is always better than losing.

You said it.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 02:38 PM

 DavePelz4, on 30 October 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

No one remembers the first runner up but you always remember the winner.

The media coverage of a major vs an opposite field event is night and day so this is bollocks or are opposite fields events some huge happening in the US? If what you are claimig is true I guess winning the smallest ATP tour competition in tennis is better than reaching a grand slam final as well?

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:11 PM

Second in a major every day of the week. Beat 99% of the very best players in the world. The ranking points and respect you gain are greater and if you are capable of finishing second in a major then that must give you the confidence to be able to win regular tournaments. Finishing second at a major is a fantastic achievement.

Of course, if you blew a lead to finish second, that might be less of a nice feeling.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:25 PM

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:30 PM

 80sFredriksson, on 30 October 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

 DavePelz4, on 30 October 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

No one remembers the first runner up but you always remember the winner.

The media coverage of a major vs an opposite field event is night and day so this is bollocks or are opposite fields events some huge happening in the US? If what you are claimig is true I guess winning the smallest ATP tour competition in tennis is better than reaching a grand slam final as well?

This isn't about media coverage otherwise you'd be spot on.  This is about the perks of winning on the PGA tour vs. the perks of finishing 2nd place in a major.

Fundamental question..would you have a better career if you win an event or finish second place?

Thanks for the "bollocks" that was good for a chuckle!

Edited by DavePelz4, 30 October 2017 - 03:31 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:30 PM

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:32 PM

I agree it depends on where you are in your career, but voted for opposite field win.

Although they award LESS money, Fed Ex Cup & OWGR points than solo 2nd at a major, they do give a 2+ year exemption, and also put you permanently into the Past Champions category. This later bit is especially useful for many as it can get them into some of the opposite field and less popular events even after their winners exemption has expired and they are outside the top 150 (and includes guys like Jim Furyk, Boo Weekley, Hunter Mahan, Jason Gore, etc https://www.pgatour....y-ranking.html. The benefits of a solo 2nd at a major are much more short term.

In terms of getting into majors, both results help some, but don't automatically get you into most. Most majors do invite back the top X from the year before and the Masters invites the top 4 from the other majors. Regular wins get you into the Masters, but not opposite field wins.

Edited by SkiSchoolPro, 30 October 2017 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:36 PM

 Dave230, on 30 October 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Second in a major every day of the week. Beat 99% of the very best players in the world. The ranking points and respect you gain are greater and if you are capable of finishing second in a major then that must give you the confidence to be able to win regular tournaments. Finishing second at a major is a fantastic achievement.

Of course, if you blew a lead to finish second, that might be less of a nice feeling.

The only 2nd place finisher/situations we remember are the collapses, the heart breakers, Phil, Monty, Spieth, DJ, Sam Snead. Imagine if that was your "best" golf accomplishment?

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:45 PM

Winning is sweet while second is sour.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:56 PM

 bscinstnct, on 30 October 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

 Dave230, on 30 October 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Second in a major every day of the week. Beat 99% of the very best players in the world. The ranking points and respect you gain are greater and if you are capable of finishing second in a major then that must give you the confidence to be able to win regular tournaments. Finishing second at a major is a fantastic achievement.

Of course, if you blew a lead to finish second, that might be less of a nice feeling.

The only 2nd place finisher/situations we remember are the collapses, the heart breakers, Phil, Monty, Spieth, DJ, Sam Snead. Imagine if that was your "best" golf accomplishment?

Unfortunately, I think
bscinstnct

is right about what the public recognizes. Wins get all the attention and a lot of good golf gets overlooked. Take Steve Stricker as an example. Since turning 43 in 2010, he has made the cut in all 26 Majors he has played in with 16 top 25s including two t16s in 2017. Danny Willett who has 3 top 25s in his life and a best major finish of 76th in 2017 will get invites to all 4 majors in 2018, but Stricker may get left out entirely. Nobody would even talk about Stricker if he hadn't been the President's Cup Captain.

Edited by SkiSchoolPro, 30 October 2017 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 03:56 PM

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 04:27 PM

W. It's all about winning

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 05:02 PM

With the vote at 20 for the opposite field win and 4 for Major solo 2nd, maybe this was too obvious a question for most.

What if the question was winning the Web.com Tour Championship (worth ~180 K and a tour card for the following year) or solo 2nd at a Major. I think a lot of us would change our answer, but the interesting thing is that the strength of field might not be too different for an opposite field event compared to the Web.com Tour Championship


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 06:06 PM

Big fish in little pond is better than little fish in big pond.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:55 PM

I would chose the opposite field win. At least then you have won an event which is better then any second place. Id rather win then lose

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:09 PM

View Postsfiggins, on 30 October 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Big fish in little pond is better than little fish in big pond.
I agree for me personally...much better for the ego.

While we are all jealous of the millionaires on tour, the reality is that most PGA Tour Pros are little fish in a big pond. If they stayed Ams, or played on smaller tours, then they would have a better chance to be the big fish, but the reality on the PGA Tour is that only 1 guy wins each week.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:51 PM

2nd is first loser, so winning

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:56 PM

View PostJerseyBoy, on 30 October 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Winning a Tournament not only get you another 2 years on tour, but also invitations to the 3 of the 4 Majors, doesn't it? An up and comer like Tony Finau won an opposite field event and he used it as a spring board.

Getting 2nd in the Masters would always get me to kick myself. "Why didn't you WIN!!"

Winning is always better than losing.

This is where i stand. Any player all they want is some security and opportunity. if you win and get 2 years to show what you got, i believe its the ultimate dream for any aspiring pro golfer.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:23 AM

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:40 AM

View Postlowheel, on 30 October 2017 - 10:56 PM, said:

View PostJerseyBoy, on 30 October 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Winning a Tournament not only get you another 2 years on tour, but also invitations to the 3 of the 4 Majors, doesn't it? An up and comer like Tony Finau won an opposite field event and he used it as a spring board.

Getting 2nd in the Masters would always get me to kick myself. "Why didn't you WIN!!"

Winning is always better than losing.

This is where i stand. Any player all they want is some security and opportunity. if you win and get 2 years to show what you got, i believe its the ultimate dream for any aspiring pro golfer.
Perfect example was this past weekend. Ryan Armour had his tour card for 2017/18 via the Web.com playoffs but never knew when he could play. Now that he won last weekend he has essentially a "full" 3 year exemption on tour. Much better status now for 2017/18 (Category 9/Tour winners) with the win instead of playing out of the Web.com playoff exempt category (Category 26) and is exempt through the 2019/2020 season. He can now plan the rest of his 2017/18 season better instead of hoping to get into an event.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:45 AM

I have to go with the 2nd in a major, and here is why -

If you win an opposite field event there is a very good chance that 90% of the golf watching public will not see it.  Furthermore, in playing against such a weak field your victory is not likely to give you the sky-high confidence that contending mightily in a major surely would.

If you finish runner-up in a major you will be watched by millions of people worldwide, and the confidence you would come away with would very likely propel you to that victory you are looking for, so you end up winning twice. :)

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:03 AM

View PostPGArox, on 31 October 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

I have to go with the 2nd in a major, and here is why -

If you win an opposite field event there is a very good chance that 90% of the golf watching public will not see it.  Furthermore, in playing against such a weak field your victory is not likely to give you the sky-high confidence that contending mightily in a major surely would.

If you finish runner-up in a major you will be watched by millions of people worldwide, and the confidence you would come away with would very likely propel you to that victory you are looking for, so you end up winning twice. :)
Any example(s) of such a player? Finishing high in a major guarantees nothing.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:23 AM

View Postgrm24, on 31 October 2017 - 01:03 AM, said:

View PostPGArox, on 31 October 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

I have to go with the 2nd in a major, and here is why -

If you win an opposite field event there is a very good chance that 90% of the golf watching public will not see it.  Furthermore, in playing against such a weak field your victory is not likely to give you the sky-high confidence that contending mightily in a major surely would.

If you finish runner-up in a major you will be watched by millions of people worldwide, and the confidence you would come away with would very likely propel you to that victory you are looking for, so you end up winning twice. :)
Any example(s) of such a player? Finishing high in a major guarantees nothing.

Jason Dufner.  He lost in a playoff at the PGA Championship....then he won it the following year


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