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#31 Beast10

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 11:36 PM

 2putttom, on 28 October 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

 Kale_m, on 26 October 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Take them out to the course and play with them. Anyone can groove a swing with them on the range. That is why most guys here buy them then 2 weeks later they are in the BST because playing actual golf is different then beating range ball after range ball.

I agree blades are not all that bad if you have a consistent move. But being on the course is a lot different then a perfectly flat Matt or driving range deck with a perfect lie
^ this and then report back after 6-10 rounds.
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Posted 29 October 2017 - 12:51 PM

 Need4spd, on 27 October 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

You guys must be the best 15+ handicaps of all time. Iíve played with a 15 handicap or two in my day and theyíre not hitting the center of the club face nearly as often as you guys.
X2!..have yet to witness this myself but I read about it all the time....am a low single at my best and i dont even nut it most of the time, lol

Give it a few months

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:38 AM

 Need4spd, on 27 October 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

You guys must be the best 15+ handicaps of all time. I’ve played with a 15 handicap or two in my day and they’re not hitting the center of the club face nearly as often as you guys.
In my 45+ years playing this game I am in full agreement with you.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:07 PM

 hardten, on 30 October 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

 Need4spd, on 27 October 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

You guys must be the best 15+ handicaps of all time. I’ve played with a 15 handicap or two in my day and they’re not hitting the center of the club face nearly as often as you guys.
In my 45+ years playing this game I am in full agreement with you.
I'm a bit perplexed by these comments.  Just because you haven't run across one, means they don't exist?  Along the same vein as 15 caps not being able to drive the ball 300 yds and hit 180 yd 7 irons.

You've never nutted an approach 20 yds left of your target into trouble?  Ever pure a 290 drive 50 yds left OB?  Center contact is important, but without consistent club/face path alignment and AOA, you're not going to hit it where you want.  Just because you can hit it a mile and make center contact doesn't mean you're going to be a low handicap.

I'm not saying these people are necessarily telling the truth, but I don't doubt they exist.  That being said, in my 20+ years, I haven't seen one yet either.  :)

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:33 PM

At a 15 HC there must be a significant flaw in your short game or off the tee if youíre striking blades pure. Thatís awesome to hear though!

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:56 PM

 rooneps, on 27 October 2017 - 11:55 PM, said:

If you hit your7 iron 170 then you must have a ball speed of 125 ish
That would put you on the same level as many tour pros
Don’t waste your money on irons get some short game lessons you must be terrible in that department

Center of face more than 80% of time with MP ANYTHING, a (MP) 7iron 170 yds?....does not equal a 15 cap in what I've seen, unless short game is absolutely terrible. No offense, if it is......but I'm sure many would agree.
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:05 PM

 2putttom, on 28 October 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

 Kale_m, on 26 October 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Take them out to the course and play with them. Anyone can groove a swing with them on the range. That is why most guys here buy them then 2 weeks later they are in the BST because playing actual golf is different then beating range ball after range ball.

I agree blades are not all that bad if you have a consistent move. But being on the course is a lot different then a perfectly flat Matt or driving range deck with a perfect lie
^ this and then report back after 6-10 rounds.
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:15 PM

Itís the putting that kills me, and the occasional slice on the drive to lose a ball or terrible lie by a tree

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:32 PM

 Beast10, on 30 October 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

It's the putting that kills me, and the occasional slice on the drive to lose a ball or terrible lie by a tree
I know a lot of good putters and drivers of the ball who would trade it all for your ball striking abilities. I think you have the better end of the stick!
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 04:07 PM

 buzlin, on 30 October 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

 hardten, on 30 October 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

 Need4spd, on 27 October 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

You guys must be the best 15+ handicaps of all time. I’ve played with a 15 handicap or two in my day and they’re not hitting the center of the club face nearly as often as you guys.
In my 45+ years playing this game I am in full agreement with you.
I'm a bit perplexed by these comments.  Just because you haven't run across one, means they don't exist?  Along the same vein as 15 caps not being able to drive the ball 300 yds and hit 180 yd 7 irons.

You've never nutted an approach 20 yds left of your target into trouble?  Ever pure a 290 drive 50 yds left OB?  Center contact is important, but without consistent club/face path alignment and AOA, you're not going to hit it where you want.  Just because you can hit it a mile and make center contact doesn't mean you're going to be a low handicap.

I'm not saying these people are necessarily telling the truth, but I don't doubt they exist.  That being said, in my 20+ years, I haven't seen one yet either.  :)

I can believe that a 15 HC can hit a 7i 170+ yards or drives 300 yards, but strike it well? Not really. If he strikes it well, then by definition he's on a lot more greens. No one putts that bad.

Okay, I admit that it's also possible that some of them might not know how to use their rangefinders.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 05:21 PM

Its not bad putting that gets us in trouble, its not having Phils wedge play. To be clear I hit a 7 iron 158 yards. Not 170 like the OP. I can putt OK but am having driver trouble right now and only hit 2 fairways last week when I last played. Decent length but snap hooks followed by slices tend to place me well out of position. Oh and my cap is now at 14 but that's bull$hit. As for irons I give you this, take from it what you wish. If you were to place 3 flag sticks at 155 yards 10 yards apart and I were to hit a bucket of 7 irons at the middle flag stick you would see equal ball dispersion surrounding all three sticks but a very small degree of variance concerning distance. Most of those shots would be nice and high with a draw or cut.  80% easy nice clean middled shots with that feeling an MP gives when stroked well. But 10+ yards offline on approach shots demands an ability to get the third one close. And that takes practice. Did I mention that I don't practice? ever?
I have been playing at golf for 30 years.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:11 PM

View PostBaitkiller, on 30 October 2017 - 05:21 PM, said:

Its not bad putting that gets us in trouble, its not having Phils wedge play. To be clear I hit a 7 iron 158 yards. Not 170 like the OP. I can putt OK but am having driver trouble right now and only hit 2 fairways last week when I last played. Decent length but snap hooks followed by slices tend to place me well out of position. Oh and my cap is now at 14 but that's bull$hit. As for irons I give you this, take from it what you wish. If you were to place 3 flag sticks at 155 yards 10 yards apart and I were to hit a bucket of 7 irons at the middle flag stick you would see equal ball dispersion surrounding all three sticks but a very small degree of variance concerning distance. Most of those shots would be nice and high with a draw or cut.  80% easy nice clean middled shots with that feeling an MP gives when stroked well. But 10+ yards offline on approach shots demands an ability to get the third one close. And that takes practice. Did I mention that I don't practice? ever?
I have been playing at golf for 30 years.

I'm sure with all your experience you are doing what you say, and I don't question it. However, 10 yards left and right and nearly the same distance from 155 yards is pretty amazing, and should let you hit most greens as you claimed earlier.

There's only two things I can think of, your driving sucks or you can't lag putt. Both of these are fixable with a swing that's that consistent.



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:26 PM

"with all my experience" LOL.  funny guy.
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:35 PM

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"with all my experience" LOL.  funny guy.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:56 PM

I said playing AT golf. In those 30 years I have started two companies and raised three kids. Sooo.. playing AT golf is what I do. Big difference between a golfer and a guy who plays at golf. The thing is that my ugly arse swing is my swing and it somehow looks the same all the time and hits the middle of my irons most times. Short game and driver suffer.  Pretty simple really.

That, ladies and gentlemen is why a 15 cap can hit blades pure and still suck at golf.

If y'all really want a puzzle you can explain to me why my buddy who cant hit it in the ocean gets better and better with every beer after about 6. Yeah six beers. Id be face down or asleep under a tree and this SOB starts striping it..8 beers in? Hold onto your wallet! Never seen anything like it. That is friggn amazing if you ask me. Of course he is playing offset Ping shovels so that must be it. I'm gonna get shitfaced and play eye2s next go-round.
Wish me luck.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:23 PM

View PostBaitkiller, on 30 October 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

I said playing AT golf. In those 30 years I have started two companies and raised three kids. Sooo.. playing AT golf is what I do. Big difference between a golfer and a guy who plays at golf. The thing is that my ugly arse swing is my swing and it somehow looks the same all the time and hits the middle of my irons most times. Short game and driver suffer.  Pretty simple really.

That, ladies and gentlemen is why a 15 cap can hit blades pure and still suck at golf.

If y'all really want a puzzle you can explain to me why my buddy who cant hit it in the ocean gets better and better with every beer after about 6. Yeah six beers. Id be face down or asleep under a tree and this SOB starts striping it..8 beers in? Hold onto your wallet! Never seen anything like it. That is friggn amazing if you ask me. Of course he is playing offset Ping shovels so that must be it. I'm gonna get shitfaced and play eye2s next go-round.
Wish me luck.

Good Luck, but be careful, he sounds like a high functioning alcoholic. You sound more in control when sober.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:31 PM

I find some days your best scores are your worst ball striking days and your best ball striking days are your worst scores if that make sense.  I play Mizuno mp32 and a blade putter but probably should be using my i3 pings and my odyssey #7 tank,  but just love the way the mizuno’s look and feel for the most part.
A miss with a blade may not get you in as much trouble as a miss with a GI iron. (May just stay short of the bush or water instead of in it)

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:55 PM

Interesting comments and I agree with most stated here, and my friends might classify me as of one of those players referred too.  Or at least the ones I play consistently and most of them are scratch (so assumed good ball strikers).

According to them, my HDCP is all dependent on my MOOD that round.. I can easily have a sweet ball striking day and still shot upper 80's.  OR I can go out and shot mid 70's.   Granted I used to play down to a 1.7 when I was younger but then had a little one (best thing ever too for the record) and golf moved to a different aspect to me.

Can I hit my 34 degree 7 iron 170....YEP.... can I hit 300 yard drive...well sometimes on firm fairways but 280ish pretty repeatable.  Do I do it all the time.... depends on my mood and whats on the line.

I know for me my issue is FOCUS... if I am out there just playing with friends and to have fun, the score does not matter to me anymore like it did when I was younger.  I have seen and played with a lot or people who can drive the ball unreal (14 out of 14)  with excellent distance and not hit a single green in reg.  Seen people who can hit a green from anywhere or get up and down from anywhere but hit the ball all over the damn place.  Not sure if that is great ball striking or not but what is written on the card at the end only says a number....not how you got there...

What does matter most of all.....DOES IT FEEL LIKE BUTTER  and we all know Mizzy's do when smoothed in the center....who cares where it went after that  LOL

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:07 AM

View Postgrev6, on 30 October 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

I find some days your best scores are your worst ball striking days and your best ball striking days are your worst scores if that make sense.  I play Mizuno mp32 and a blade putter but probably should be using my i3 pings and my odyssey #7 tank,  but just love the way the mizunoís look and feel for the most part.
A miss with a blade may not get you in as much trouble as a miss with a GI iron. (May just stay short of the bush or water instead of in it)
I agree with you, Iíd rather be short than long and in trouble, and mizuno is the best feel.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:42 AM

View PostChile Dip Master, on 30 October 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

Interesting comments and I agree with most stated here, and my friends might classify me as of one of those players referred too.  Or at least the ones I play consistently and most of them are scratch (so assumed good ball strikers).

According to them, my HDCP is all dependent on my MOOD that round.. I can easily have a sweet ball striking day and still shot upper 80's.  OR I can go out and shot mid 70's.   Granted I used to play down to a 1.7 when I was younger but then had a little one (best thing ever too for the record) and golf moved to a different aspect to me.

Can I hit my 34 degree 7 iron 170....YEP.... can I hit 300 yard drive...well sometimes on firm fairways but 280ish pretty repeatable.  Do I do it all the time.... depends on my mood and whats on the line.

I know for me my issue is FOCUS... if I am out there just playing with friends and to have fun, the score does not matter to me anymore like it did when I was younger.  I have seen and played with a lot or people who can drive the ball unreal (14 out of 14)  with excellent distance and not hit a single green in reg.  Seen people who can hit a green from anywhere or get up and down from anywhere but hit the ball all over the damn place.  Not sure if that is great ball striking or not but what is written on the card at the end only says a number....not how you got there...

What does matter most of all.....DOES IT FEEL LIKE BUTTER  and we all know Mizzy's do when smoothed in the center....who cares where it went after that  LOL

Very very similar to me lol. I should be playing something more forgiving I guess. But I genuinely do love playing my mp64s. My golf buddy tried them one day and said why the f*$^ do you play with these. I told him I like to know that I put a good swing on it. I didn't want good results from an ok swing. I tried his Calloway shovels once. Hit them a full club longer which doesn't appeal to me. Felt clunky and dead. To each his own right.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:05 PM

... Fwiw, I don't think anyone has ever said a MB is harder to hit than any other club. They are just much more penal on mishits. Of course this is the argument that has been going on here forever. Only place I know that defends the use of MB's as a performance issue. Many reasons for a higher index player, or any player really, to play MB's. But performance is not near the top of that list. It is kind of interesting that so many here not just play but promote MB's for any and everyone when this is a quote from Xander Schauffele that hits his 7 iron 182yds from the What's In The Bag in this months Golf Digest on why he is playing TaylorMade P750's:

"When I was 13 to 15 years old I played muscle back blades and quickly learned they were not good for me. These look smaller and have a thinner top line than the Psi Tour's I was using".

... There are plenty of players irons out there that are smaller, have a thin top line, narrow sole and provide that little extra forgiveness that the best players in the world feel they need. But as always, play what makes you happy, just don't pi$$ on our legs and tell us it's raining.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:39 PM

View Postchisag, on 31 October 2017 - 12:05 PM, said:

... Fwiw, I don't think anyone has ever said a MB is harder to hit than any other club. They are just much more penal on mishits. Of course this is the argument that has been going on here forever. Only place I know that defends the use of MB's as a performance issue. Many reasons for a higher index player, or any player really, to play MB's. But performance is not near the top of that list. It is kind of interesting that so many here not just play but promote MB's for any and everyone when this is a quote from Xander Schauffele that hits his 7 iron 182yds from the What's In The Bag in this months Golf Digest on why he is playing TaylorMade P750's:

"When I was 13 to 15 years old I played muscle back blades and quickly learned they were not good for me. These look smaller and have a thinner top line than the Psi Tour's I was using".

... There are plenty of players irons out there that are smaller, have a thin top line, narrow sole and provide that little extra forgiveness that the best players in the world feel they need. But as always, play what makes you happy, just don't pi$$ on our legs and tell us it's raining.

Completely agree with your last line: "play what makes you happy." At the end of the day, none of us are on tour in here and we all have different motivations for golfing. Go out and play the way you want. If it's using blades and falling in love with the feeling of a great strike, by all means, enjoy it and admire it as it flies. If it's competing against yourself to shoot a new low, enjoy that as well. If you're lucky, those two will blend together.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:00 PM

View PostKCCO, on 30 October 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

View Postrooneps, on 27 October 2017 - 11:55 PM, said:

If you hit your7 iron 170 then you must have a ball speed of 125 ish
That would put you on the same level as many tour pros
Don’t waste your money on irons get some short game lessons you must be terrible in that department

Center of face more than 80% of time with MP ANYTHING, a (MP) 7iron 170 yds?....does not equal a 15 cap in what I've seen, unless short game is absolutely terrible. No offense, if it is......but I'm sure many would agree.

I may get massively flamed here, but I think I get the concept.  Maybe not, but here we go...

When I'm striking my irons well I strike them pretty well.  No longer with the distance being discussed here, and certainly not on the 'exact' sweet spot every time, but the shots look real pretty with a great flight.

However...

I have a two-way miss.  Slight draw to mini push.  I approach a green and I'm not sure what my shape will be.  Sometimes I'll aim to the right side of the green expecting a small draw, and end up pushing it a smidge instead.  Typically not enormous misses, but the end result is a bad shot which requires a chip-on.

On the range the good days look real pretty.  'Look' being the operative word.  I even had one guy (supposedly a 3 HC) get out of his car at the bag drop to come talk to me as I hit balls.  He'd say "That's a great ball flight.  What's your handicap?" and I'd say "But you don't know what I'm aiming at".  I'm that typical guy that has good 'range game'.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:33 PM

Striking it pure but putting bad is horseshit....i suck at putting but have managed to do better as my game got better...not at same rate but no pure ballstriker putts so bad he is still 15-20hdcp.....if youve learned how to hit ball consistently well youve also put time, practice and play alot of golf....no way around it.....

If you can hit ball much, much better than me but score 10 or more shots worse than wtf is really going on is alls im saying, lol

Never seen it and prolly never will.....

Skill rises in levels, not at same rate but it still elevates as golfer does.....

And i have seen some good ballstrikers putt really bad....still manage to score reasonably well

Its just ego for most,  and tradition for a few

Am sure this will pop up in a week and ill be quiet....had a bad ballstriking day/putting day with AP2/SPIDER..still managed an 81, LOL

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:38 PM

If youíre making 80% good contact with your irons on the range (perfect conditions) your blades will punish you in the course. Once you have to play shots that arenít on level lies or perfect right fairway youíll learn why most 15ís prefer forgiveness. Just because you can do something doesnít mean you should. Itís taken me years and years of hitting 500+ range balls a week to build the confidence I need to hit (almost) every shot I need on the course with muscle backs. But maybe youíre just a better ball striker than me. If so, enjoy hitting 80% of your shots on the course pure and see how your scores trend over time.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 10:54 PM

View PostDFS PFD, on 05 November 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

If you’re making 80% good contact with your irons on the range (perfect conditions) your blades will punish you in the course. Once you have to play shots that aren’t on level lies or perfect right fairway you’ll learn why most 15’s prefer forgiveness. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. It’s taken me years and years of hitting 500+ range balls a week to build the confidence I need to hit (almost) every shot I need on the course with muscle backs. But maybe you’re just a better ball striker than me. If so, enjoy hitting 80% of your shots on the course pure and see how your scores trend over time.

The original poster said he's been playing only a year. It's possible he doesn't know how far he actually hits the ball, and doesn't know what is a solid strike.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 11:40 PM

The effect of iron play on your game is way overrated. I’m an eight handicap. In a typical round on my course I hit one of my irons (4-pw) 12 times. Two of our par threes play over 200 yds. and two of our par fours will typically be a sand wedge or less for my approach shot. Two par fives are normally reached (or close) in two. So on two par threes I hit an iron off the tee. On 8 par fours I need to hit an iron as an approach shot. And on two par fives I’m normally hitting 8, 9, or PW on my third shot. That’s it.

If I shoot 80 I hit my driver 12 times. A hybrid or 5 wood 8 times. 12 shots with my 4-PW. And the other 48 strokes are with my wedges and putter.

Does it really matter how forgiving my irons are?

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 11:44 PM

View PostSchulzmc, on 05 November 2017 - 11:40 PM, said:

The effect of iron play on your game is way overrated. I’m an eight handicap. In a typical round on my course I hit one of my irons (4-pw) 12 times. Two of our par threes play over 200 yds. and two of our par fours will typically be a sand wedge or less for my approach shot. Two par fives are normally reached (or close) in two. So on two par threes I hit an iron off the tee. On 8 par fours I need to hit an iron as an approach shot. And on two par fives I’m normally hitting 8, 9, or PW on my third shot. That’s it.

If I shoot 80 I hit my driver 12 times. A hybrid or 5 wood 8 times. 12 shots with my 4-PW. And the other 48 strokes are with my wedges and putter.

Does it really matter how forgiving my irons are?

I don’t know, why don’t you ask a professional golfer sometime and see if there’s a correlation between iron play and scoring well? Imagine if those 12 iron shots, 50% are mishit leading to another wedge shot. Now yu Be reached 18 strokes from your “12” iron shots per round and suddenly you’re a 13 handicap. But I’m still not sure there’s a direct correlation between iron play and scoring in Golf.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 06:55 AM

7 iron 170, thatís almost tour distance .

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 07:20 AM

^^^ why do you guys harp on this ?
The top drivers on tour average just over 300-315 , or whatever.  I know a few locals that can easily do 300 at will.  I'm sure the top guys at any club do 300.  I know a few with 5i over 200, not a big deal.  My 14 y.o. skinny son  ( hockey & baseball kid -> think fast hip-turn & hands ) could drive 300 on occasion.  Length alone does not make one tour-level.  One can be long and still score "just average" .   And the bombers are playing tees appropriate  their length -> 6700-6800 yards +/- probably.  Me with my 230-260 drives and 155 7i, I stick to tee decks 6200-6300 yards +/-.  Regardless of length, 40% of your score comes on the green, so having a wedge game ( from afar or greenside ) plus good putting is paramount to scoring.

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