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The secret to hitting the sweetspot with any club


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#61 Over it

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:39 PM

View PostMacogardy, on 12 October 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

Think about the argument posed by others is that , nah you or pros are just using your hand eye coordination to bring the center of the clubface to the ball.  

I'm saying I can't even see the clubhead throughout my swing I can only see the ball

When you swing a ping pong paddle you don't need to see it you feel where it is you can feel the cog

When you throw a ball you feel the cog and you throw it towards your target.  

A golf club is the same you feel the cog in transition and you swing it at the ball the shaft and the hosel and the toe only matter for loft and direction but not for bringing the cog to the ball


That's not the argument at all talk about making up stuff to make your case...lol!  What I'm saying is you have no idea where the cog is in the club head but you know from experience where the face is and how to square it up and bring it to the ball more or less on center, the cog in the club head isn't even a factor since the club head has a shaft attached to it and that now is a cog of the club that you feel.

You talk like you have just a club head with no shaft attached. Mac the cog of the club head is a pin point location and you will not feel where it is when a shaft and grip and ferrule and epoxy and maybe a weight is in and on the club head. C'mon really!

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This is the little cog point in 2d you think you feel with the shaft attached swinging at 105 mph.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:43 PM

Well I don't get how I can actually apply 'get the sweetspot to the ball' while playing or practicing, but man you have a great swing.

Looks really smooth dude.

Best of luck!

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:47 PM

And matter of fact I was a very good table tennis player and I just knew where the face of the paddle was at all times and played and practiced a ton against other very good players. Oh and most of the time I never saw the paddle but always saw the ball and knew where the paddle was and how it was orientated in space... all starting from lousy to very good by learning how to use the racket and my athletic ability.

Also very good at darts but never practice at all hardly play yet I'm no hack...maybe I feel the cog of the dart...lol!


Oh I forgot to mention when I gripped the racket the cog changed wouldn't have a clue where it was before or after I grabbed that racket but I knew where it/the racket was in space and how it was orientated.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:52 PM

Mac, is that the range in Orange, CA?

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:53 PM

Mac if you  think it works for you great. All the more power to ya. Cheers!


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:54 PM

Yes exactly good point you take that little tiny point which is the center of all the mass in the clubhead and you swing it at the ball.

Is it a learned thing your brain needs to figure out to get good at yeah I thing so.  But my point is that you need to treat the club more simply like a dowel.  
Basically your brain need to know how much forward lean you need on that dowel.  How open or closed that dowel will be at impact and are you gonna drive the cog at the ball under the ball or on top of it.

Either way you feel the cog,  I here you about the shaft and the grip and the glue but I think your brain is so good it filters that out and uses your proprioception to bring what it knows as the sweetspot to the ball.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:57 PM

View Post4rheel, on 12 October 2017 - 06:52 PM, said:

Mac, is that the range in Orange, CA?

Yes supersports hanging out with the young pros at the end of the range keeps you young

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:57 PM

View PostMacogardy, on 12 October 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Yes exactly good point you take that little tiny point which is the center of all the mass in the clubhead and you swing it at the ball.

Is it a learned thing your brain needs to figure out to get good at yeah I thing so.  But my point is that you need to treat the club more simply like a dowel.  
Basically your brain need to know how much forward lean you need on that dowel.  How open or closed that dowel will be at impact and are you gonna drive the cog at the ball under the ball or on top of it.

Either way you feel the cog,  I here you about the shaft and the grip and the glue but I think your brain is so good it filters that out and uses your proprioception to bring what it knows as the sweetspot to the ball.


Cog of the whole club then we agree but just the club head cog ...I have to respectfully disagree. It's more about the face awareness in space at a given time that's why I said most people have no idea where their hands are at any given point in the swing never mind the face orientation or the cog of the club head.

Edited by Over it, 12 October 2017 - 06:59 PM.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:07 PM

View PostMacogardy, on 12 October 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Yes exactly good point you take that little tiny point which is the center of all the mass in the clubhead and you swing it at the ball.

Is it a learned thing your brain needs to figure out to get good at yeah I thing so.  But my point is that you need to treat the club more simply like a dowel.  
Basically your brain need to know how much forward lean you need on that dowel.  How open or closed that dowel will be at impact and are you gonna drive the cog at the ball under the ball or on top of it.

Either way you feel the cog,  I here you about the shaft and the grip and the glue but I think your brain is so good it filters that out and uses your proprioception to bring what it knows as the sweetspot to the ball.


One more thing about bringing the sweet spot to the ball not all the  different ways of doing that are a good thing!

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:54 AM

Lots of good posts but let me try to add a slighty different lighting to the subject.

The sweetspot is indeed offset from the shaft and the shaft tends to rotate around the sweetspot if unperturbed. On the other hand,  if you're overpowering the shaft you may force it to swing on plane and so the sweetspot is pulled of-circle / off-plane. The alternative is to allow for the sweetspot to swing on plane and the shaft to rotate around it, TGM calls that Hinge Action : program your body so that the hands allows the handle to rotate the right amount around impact, without steering.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:28 AM

View PostEtzwane, on 13 October 2017 - 02:54 AM, said:

Lots of good posts but let me try to add a slighty different lighting to the subject.

The sweetspot is indeed offset from the shaft and the shaft tends to rotate around the sweetspot if unperturbed. On the other hand,  if you're overpowering the shaft you may force it to swing on plane and so the sweetspot is pulled of-circle / off-plane. The alternative is to allow for the sweetspot to swing on plane and the shaft to rotate around it, TGM calls that Hinge Action : program your body so that the hands allows the handle to rotate the right amount around impact, without steering.

Good post I've found if you swing the club like a dowel and imagine it is one it takes away the leverage most people apply to the club,  the club needs input it needs to be swing from the center or at least I've found for me to get the best results you can definitely overpower it and use leverage but you get inferior results to swinging.  The power needs to come from the center and the face closure is gradual that will keep the sweetspot on plane and undisturbed.  If you ever swing a whippy club in order to hit it good you have to swing from the center and coax the correct face closure to it it's gotta be smooth,

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

Most amateurs think the clubhead as something that rotates around the clubshaft. They work very hard in all sorts of ways in order to make that happen ... and they fight against the forces that others that know better use to their advantage.  When first learning to play the game most people (adults in particular) learn early in their quest to play golf that it's difficult to square the clubface through impact.  And it's also difficult to have the ball hit the sweet spot.  These difficulties quite often come about because of their misconception in how the golf club reacts when it is swung as it was designed and intended to be.  They usually must fight against this clubhead reaction (of it not squaring-up and not being able to hit the sweet spot) by using their brute force muscular manipulation - in other words they must intentionally force the clubhead to rotate around the shaft...instead of swinging the sweet spot (or center-of-gravity) of the clubhead and allowing (or letting) the shaft to orbit or rotate around the sweet spot.  What makes this tremendous [incorrect] effort even more difficult by most golfers is that they are actually fighting against themselves and physics...when there is no need.

When the clubhead's sweet spot is rotated about a 1/4 turn and lays against the swing plane the sweet spot plane is aligned with the clubshaft plane - in other words the clubshaft plane and sweet spot plane are on the same plane, which are laying on the golfer's swing plane.  But, as the downswing progresses (and the forearm, etc. rotate back from its 1/4 turn) the sweet spot plane moves away from its alignment with the clubshaft plane, and the end of the shaft (hosel) reacts to the clubhead's center-of-gravity or sweet spot plane ... and this reaction causes the hosel to orbit around the sweet spot through the impact zone. As this happens the lower end of the clubshaft droops.  If you were to swing the golf club as if it were a shaft with a weight on the very end (instead of an 'L' shaped clubhead attached to it), then you would be swinging the sweet spot.  With a golf club that has the clubhead attached to it, you swing the sweet spot by swinging it just like there was no clubhead attached to it because the clubhead's Cg (sweet spot) will take control (due to its heavier weight compared to the shaft's lighter weight) once the sweet spot plane starts moving away from its 1/4 turn alignment with the clubshaft plane - and this causes a 'droop' in the lower shaft, which makes the sweet spot pass in a straight plane line from the grip end of the shaft.  Most people think the clubhead rotates around the lower shaft (hosel).  It does not.  The shaft orbits or rotates around the Cg or sweet spot.  

Learn to swing the sweet spot and you'll always have a solid strike on the sweet spot ... and you won't need all that wasted muscular effort trying to square the clubface, plus you'll compress the ball to the maximum and gain clubhead speed and accuracy...   

In the video (below) look where Pat Perez intentionally and (with conviction) moves the hosel of his club just before he starts the club back.  This is his way to make sure he swings the sweet spot, something he's been doing since he was a teenager.

Psssst - Don't tell anyone ... because it is kinda a secret!

  

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 10:27 PM

View PostStrike Force, on 14 October 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:

Most amateurs think the clubhead as something that rotates around the clubshaft. They work very hard in all sorts of ways in order to make that happen ... and they fight against the forces that others that know better use to their advantage.  When first learning to play the game most people (adults in particular) learn early in their quest to play golf that it's difficult to square the clubface through impact.  And it's also difficult to have the ball hit the sweet spot.  These difficulties quite often come about because of their misconception in how the golf club reacts when it is swung as it was designed and intended to be.  They usually must fight against this clubhead reaction (of it not squaring-up and not being able to hit the sweet spot) by using their brute force muscular manipulation - in other words they must intentionally force the clubhead to rotate around the shaft...instead of swinging the sweet spot (or center-of-gravity) of the clubhead and allowing (or letting) the shaft to orbit or rotate around the sweet spot.  What makes this tremendous [incorrect] effort even more difficult by most golfers is that they are actually fighting against themselves and physics...when there is no need.

When the clubhead's sweet spot is rotated about a 1/4 turn and lays against the swing plane the sweet spot plane is aligned with the clubshaft plane - in other words the clubshaft plane and sweet spot plane are on the same plane, which are laying on the golfer's swing plane.  But, as the downswing progresses (and the forearm, etc. rotate back from its 1/4 turn) the sweet spot plane moves away from its alignment with the clubshaft plane, and the end of the shaft (hosel) reacts to the clubhead's center-of-gravity or sweet spot plane ... and this reaction causes the hosel to orbit around the sweet spot through the impact zone. As this happens the lower end of the clubshaft droops.  If you were to swing the golf club as if it were a shaft with a weight on the very end (instead of an 'L' shaped clubhead attached to it), then you would be swinging the sweet spot.  With a golf club that has the clubhead attached to it, you swing the sweet spot by swinging it just like there was no clubhead attached to it because the clubhead's Cg (sweet spot) will take control (due to its heavier weight compared to the shaft's lighter weight) once the sweet spot plane starts moving away from its 1/4 turn alignment with the clubshaft plane - and this causes a 'droop' in the lower shaft, which makes the sweet spot pass in a straight plane line from the grip end of the shaft.  Most people think the clubhead rotates around the lower shaft (hosel).  It does not.  The shaft orbits or rotates around the Cg or sweet spot.  

Learn to swing the sweet spot and you'll always have a solid strike on the sweet spot ... and you won't need all that wasted muscular effort trying to square the clubface, plus you'll compress the ball to the maximum and gain clubhead speed and accuracy...      

In the video (below) look where Pat Perez intentionally and (with conviction) moves the hosel of his club just before he starts the club back.  This is his way to make sure he swings the sweet spot, something he's been doing since he was a teenager.

Psssst - Don't tell anyone ... because it is kinda a secret!

  

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 10:30 PM

So what's the point of any of this?

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 12:01 AM

View PostMiggaletoe, on 14 October 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

So what's the point of any of this?

It's just two mentally delusional egos of the same person trying to convince people that they think they understand something as it relates to the golf swing.

Don't do drugs kids. Or in his case, don't stop taking the ones that the doc perscribes to you.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 12:50 AM

View PostGolfrnut, on 15 October 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

View PostMiggaletoe, on 14 October 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

So what's the point of any of this?

It's just two mentally delusional egos of the same person trying to convince people that they think they understand something as it relates to the golf swing.

Don't do drugs kids. Or in his case, don't stop taking the ones that the doc perscribes to you.

The guy has a really good point, but he doesnt sell it very well, I fell his pain as it always happen to me. There is what he says and what you might first perceive. And then there is what he want to say or what he is trying to say. I also think that "feeling the cog" is a big call and a long shot.  Aligning the shaft with the center of the gravity of the club at the top of the backswing is very understandable though. And swinging your club like you would try to keep those 2 axis aligned on the same plane the longer possible can also makes sense. But then your face is open, like stated above, the club might need some help or square the face. I like the concept thet the shaft rotates behind the club head and cog isntead of tryong to rotate the head in front of the shaft. Its way easier and less demanding to turn a 130 g shaft on its axis than to turn a 300g head off its trajectory and momentum.

Ive hit trying to hit the sweetspot the whole summer and ive been hitting the toe the whole summer. I wish I read that in april.

If you dont understand or disagree(but there is nothing here to agree with or disagree), just comment " hey, its nice that this feeling works for you, this intention or whatever, as long as it works for you"

And it seems to me that they effectively understand something in the golf swing. They understand that the cog of the whole club isnt aligned with the shaft. And that its way more efficient to keep the cog plane of the club aligned with the shaft plane the the longer possible, or the intention of it or whatever. And if you do that, the cog of the club head will find its way on the ball. Might need some help to square the face somehow though, but cog will be the on the ball, with face open closed or squared hopefully.

But im probably a third delusional ego speculating on the golf swing as my master in mechanical engineering though me nothing about simple physics, oh wait.
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 01:22 AM

View PostMattz, on 15 October 2017 - 12:50 AM, said:

View PostGolfrnut, on 15 October 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

View PostMiggaletoe, on 14 October 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

So what's the point of any of this?

It's just two mentally delusional egos of the same person trying to convince people that they think they understand something as it relates to the golf swing.

Don't do drugs kids. Or in his case, don't stop taking the ones that the doc perscribes to you.

The guy has a really good point, but he doesnt sell it very well, I fell his pain as it always happen to me. There is what he says and what you might first perceive. And then there is what he want to say or what he is trying to say. I also think that "feeling the cog" is a big call and a long shot.  Aligning the shaft with the center of the gravity of the club at the top of the backswing is very understandable though. And swinging your club like you would try to keep those 2 axis aligned on the same plane the longer possible can also makes sense. But then your face is open, like stated above, the club might need some help or square the face. I like the concept thet the shaft rotates behind the club head and cog isntead of tryong to rotate the head in front of the shaft. Its way easier and less demanding to turn a 130 g shaft on its axis than to turn a 300g head off its trajectory and momentum.

Ive hit trying to hit the sweetspot the whole summer and ive been hitting the toe the whole summer. I wish I read that in april.

If you dont understand or disagree(but there is nothing here to agree with or disagree), just comment " hey, its nice that this feeling works for you, this intention or whatever, as long as it works for you"

And it seems to me that they effectively understand something in the golf swing. They understand that the cog of the whole club isnt aligned with the shaft. And that its way more efficient to keep the cog plane of the club aligned with the shaft plane the the longer possible, or the intention of it or whatever. And if you do that, the cog of the club head will find its way on the ball. Might need some help to square the face somehow though, but cog will be the on the ball, with face open closed or squared hopefully.

But im probably a third delusional ego speculating on the golf swing as my master in mechanical engineering though me nothing about simple physics, oh wait.


Mac is nothing more than more than one more username on here created by the same guy that gets constantly banned.  The CG has been measured/tracked before, it's not new material.  I posted the link in this thread already.  It's nowhere near aligned anywhere near impact.  It's just the same two usernames, which I am pretty sure are one in the same person trying to stroke their own alter egos, posting the same dribble over and over again.  Ol Mac, Strike Force, 'Strike Farce' (just showed up), plus who knows how many others...are doing nothing more than trying to pollute the forums.

Edited by Golfrnut, 15 October 2017 - 01:42 AM.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 06:27 AM

Has anybody mentioned the droop of the shaft that occurs in the impact area? That may be very different depending on shaft flex, club and depending how far the sweetspot or cog of the clubface is located. I can't imagine that our brain is that good.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:47 AM

Strike force
Very good post you said what I have been trying to say very nicely.

When you talk about the hosel secret.  Are you saying he is trying to swing the hosel away on plane without rotating the first few inches?  I've never heard of this and am not sure exactly what you mean but I am intrigued.  Where do you reside?

And golfnut or anyone else you are so silly about this multiple screen name thing I am one person I've shown videos of myself. I don't know who strikeforce is but know I'm gonna be on the lookout for his post as he's one of the few people I've seen that has some clarity on the golf swing.  


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Posted 15 October 2017 - 08:06 AM

Here's another Manzella video on shanking that gets into the sweetspot and it's orientation to the shaft plane in the swing and it's affect on shanking. If nothing else it may help illuminate the concept of the SS moving from being on the shaft plane to moving off it on the downswing.



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Posted 15 October 2017 - 08:11 AM

View PostMacogardy, on 15 October 2017 - 07:47 AM, said:

Strike force
Very good post you said what I have been trying to say very nicely.

When you talk about the hosel secret.  Are you saying he is trying to swing the hosel away on plane without rotating the first few inches?  I've never heard of this and am not sure exactly what you mean but I am intrigued.  Where do you reside?

And golfnut or anyone else you are so silly about this multiple screen name thing I am one person I've shown videos of myself. I don't know who strikeforce is but know I'm gonna be on the lookout for his post as he's one of the few people I've seen that has some clarity on the golf swing.  


Well, next time you see him, you may want to tell him that isn't the proper way to measure the CG of the club head either, he's got that part wrong too.
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 08:36 AM

View PostGolfrnut, on 15 October 2017 - 01:22 AM, said:

View PostMattz, on 15 October 2017 - 12:50 AM, said:

View PostGolfrnut, on 15 October 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

View PostMiggaletoe, on 14 October 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

So what's the point of any of this?

It's just two mentally delusional egos of the same person trying to convince people that they think they understand something as it relates to the golf swing.

Don't do drugs kids. Or in his case, don't stop taking the ones that the doc perscribes to you.

The guy has a really good point, but he doesnt sell it very well, I fell his pain as it always happen to me. There is what he says and what you might first perceive. And then there is what he want to say or what he is trying to say. I also think that "feeling the cog" is a big call and a long shot.  Aligning the shaft with the center of the gravity of the club at the top of the backswing is very understandable though. And swinging your club like you would try to keep those 2 axis aligned on the same plane the longer possible can also makes sense. But then your face is open, like stated above, the club might need some help or square the face. I like the concept thet the shaft rotates behind the club head and cog isntead of tryong to rotate the head in front of the shaft. Its way easier and less demanding to turn a 130 g shaft on its axis than to turn a 300g head off its trajectory and momentum.

Ive hit trying to hit the sweetspot the whole summer and ive been hitting the toe the whole summer. I wish I read that in april.

If you dont understand or disagree(but there is nothing here to agree with or disagree), just comment " hey, its nice that this feeling works for you, this intention or whatever, as long as it works for you"

And it seems to me that they effectively understand something in the golf swing. They understand that the cog of the whole club isnt aligned with the shaft. And that its way more efficient to keep the cog plane of the club aligned with the shaft plane the the longer possible, or the intention of it or whatever. And if you do that, the cog of the club head will find its way on the ball. Might need some help to square the face somehow though, but cog will be the on the ball, with face open closed or squared hopefully.

But im probably a third delusional ego speculating on the golf swing as my master in mechanical engineering though me nothing about simple physics, oh wait.


Mac is nothing more than more than one more username on here created by the same guy that gets constantly banned.  The CG has been measured/tracked before, it's not new material.  I posted the link in this thread already.  It's nowhere near aligned anywhere near impact.  It's just the same two usernames, which I am pretty sure are one in the same person trying to stroke their own alter egos, posting the same dribble over and over again.  Ol Mac, Strike Force, 'Strike Farce' (just showed up), plus who knows how many others...are doing nothing more than trying to pollute the forums.

I think the intent of a lot of these "trolls" is to indirectly discredit the instructors who give free advice here either due to jealousy or past history.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 08:45 AM

View PostGolfrnut, on 15 October 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

View PostMacogardy, on 15 October 2017 - 07:47 AM, said:

Strike force
Very good post you said what I have been trying to say very nicely.

When you talk about the hosel secret.  Are you saying he is trying to swing the hosel away on plane without rotating the first few inches?  I've never heard of this and am not sure exactly what you mean but I am intrigued.  Where do you reside?

And golfnut or anyone else you are so silly about this multiple screen name thing I am one person I've shown videos of myself. I don't know who strikeforce is but know I'm gonna be on the lookout for his post as he's one of the few people I've seen that has some clarity on the golf swing.  


Well, next time you see him, you may want to tell him that isn't the proper way to measure the CG of the club head either, he's got that part wrong too.


Yeah Mac and Strike don't need to measure the cog.... they can tell where it is at any point in space or any orientation just by feeling it

They could take any club from any manufacturer and instantly know where the cog was just by picking it up,  they have ability that only true cog savants possess , their ability is  more rare than the Northern Hairy Nosed Wombat!

Edited by Over it, 15 October 2017 - 08:46 AM.


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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:09 AM

Good thread here gents. Pay no mind these brown nosing fluffers.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:16 AM

View PostIpreach, on 15 October 2017 - 09:09 AM, said:

Good thread here gents. Pay no mind these brown nosing fluffers.

Your first 3 posts were much better. :ban:


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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:22 AM

View PostGhost of Snead, on 15 October 2017 - 08:36 AM, said:

View PostGolfrnut, on 15 October 2017 - 01:22 AM, said:

View PostMattz, on 15 October 2017 - 12:50 AM, said:

View PostGolfrnut, on 15 October 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

View PostMiggaletoe, on 14 October 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

So what's the point of any of this?

It's just two mentally delusional egos of the same person trying to convince people that they think they understand something as it relates to the golf swing.

Don't do drugs kids. Or in his case, don't stop taking the ones that the doc perscribes to you.

The guy has a really good point, but he doesnt sell it very well, I fell his pain as it always happen to me. There is what he says and what you might first perceive. And then there is what he want to say or what he is trying to say. I also think that "feeling the cog" is a big call and a long shot.  Aligning the shaft with the center of the gravity of the club at the top of the backswing is very understandable though. And swinging your club like you would try to keep those 2 axis aligned on the same plane the longer possible can also makes sense. But then your face is open, like stated above, the club might need some help or square the face. I like the concept thet the shaft rotates behind the club head and cog isntead of tryong to rotate the head in front of the shaft. Its way easier and less demanding to turn a 130 g shaft on its axis than to turn a 300g head off its trajectory and momentum.

Ive hit trying to hit the sweetspot the whole summer and ive been hitting the toe the whole summer. I wish I read that in april.

If you dont understand or disagree(but there is nothing here to agree with or disagree), just comment " hey, its nice that this feeling works for you, this intention or whatever, as long as it works for you"

And it seems to me that they effectively understand something in the golf swing. They understand that the cog of the whole club isnt aligned with the shaft. And that its way more efficient to keep the cog plane of the club aligned with the shaft plane the the longer possible, or the intention of it or whatever. And if you do that, the cog of the club head will find its way on the ball. Might need some help to square the face somehow though, but cog will be the on the ball, with face open closed or squared hopefully.

But im probably a third delusional ego speculating on the golf swing as my master in mechanical engineering though me nothing about simple physics, oh wait.


Mac is nothing more than more than one more username on here created by the same guy that gets constantly banned.  The CG has been measured/tracked before, it's not new material.  I posted the link in this thread already.  It's nowhere near aligned anywhere near impact.  It's just the same two usernames, which I am pretty sure are one in the same person trying to stroke their own alter egos, posting the same dribble over and over again.  Ol Mac, Strike Force, 'Strike Farce' (just showed up), plus who knows how many others...are doing nothing more than trying to pollute the forums.

I think the intent of a lot of these "trolls" is to indirectly discredit the instructors who give free advice here either due to jealousy or past history.

True. And a sever case of Histrionic Personality Disorder.
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:25 AM

View Postrobbohank, on 15 October 2017 - 08:06 AM, said:

Here's another Manzella video on shanking that gets into the sweetspot and it's orientation to the shaft plane in the swing and it's affect on shanking. If nothing else it may help illuminate the concept of the SS moving from being on the shaft plane to moving off it on the downswing.



If you want to add credibility to a thread just insert a Manzella video. Said absolutely no one ever. Might as well throw in some Joe Mayo quotes FFS.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:27 AM

Haaa kk, I missed something about the egos thing hehe sorry.

And he may be trolling on some sutff I dont know.

I just think though that its a good idea to understand that you can align one of the axis of the cog of the club with your swing plane sometimes in the backswing and in the downswing.
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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:31 AM

View PostIpreach, on 15 October 2017 - 09:25 AM, said:

View Postrobbohank, on 15 October 2017 - 08:06 AM, said:

Here's another Manzella video on shanking that gets into the sweetspot and it's orientation to the shaft plane in the swing and it's affect on shanking. If nothing else it may help illuminate the concept of the SS moving from being on the shaft plane to moving off it on the downswing.



If you want to add credibility to a thread just insert a Manzella video. Said absolutely no one ever. Might as well throw in some Joe Mayo quotes FFS.



Yeah you're right this thread/theory lacks credibility big time!

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 09:33 AM

View PostMattz, on 15 October 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

Haaa kk, I missed something about the egos thing hehe sorry. And he may be trolling on some sutff I dont know. I just think though that its a good idea to understand that you can align one of the axis of the cog of the club with your swing plane sometimes in the backswing and in the downswing.


You can add IPreach to that list...obviously

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