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#1 raywutang

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 06:34 PM

my apologies if this isnt the proper place for this topic, moderators please move if not.

has anyone signed up for an annual membership at https://www.ggswingtipsgolf.com and has had a terrible time trying to get refunded after they autocharge you for another year?

so i signed up a year ago on 10/05/16, come 10/05/17 they auto-charged me for another year.  I noticed on 10/07/16 the charge on my CC bill, and decide that I don't want another year on the site, so i contact site support for a refund.  not only do i get denied due to some cockamamie terms and conditions bullcrap, but they try to up-sell me their lifetime membership for triple the price as the annual.  my argument was that the site offers a 30 day 100% satisfaction guarantee, considering that i had just renewed on 10/05/17, requesting a refund on 10/07/17 is well within the 30 days.  after a few days of numerous unpleasant back and forth exchanges with them, the refund is still a no go, and they are still trying to up-sell me.  

ronnie is the guy i've been dealing with and i would say he is the epitome of what not to do in customer service.  

i would love to hear anyone else's experiences with the site.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:32 PM

Interesting to look at that site. Its very professionally done by a marketing expert, i.e. someone who knows how to suck people in.
First warning bell is "
Tour Players are using this "Secret Weapon" to help Lower Their Scores."

I mean really people don't fall for that nonsense do they?
I wonder if some "entepeneur" said to Gankas, let me take care of all your online business.
Mr. Gankas is over there busy teaching, Mr. Lets Make Money is over here making money from Mr. Gankas' popularity.

If i were you OP i would try to contact Mr. Gankas directly, there is a chance he is an honest dealer.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:44 PM

 raywutang, on 11 October 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

so i signed up a year ago on 10/05/16, come 10/05/17 they auto-charged me for another year.  I noticed on 10/07/16 the charge on my CC bill, and decide that I don't want another year on the site, so i contact site support for a refund.  not only do i get denied due to some cockamamie terms and conditions bullcrap

So, you signed up for a year, didn't pay attention to the website's auto-renew Terms and Conditions, and you're angry they won't refund you for your mistake.

Correct?

I have no affiliation with the Company, but, I'd be willing to bet if you posted the T&C here I'd easily be able to find the 30 day provision you're arguing against as well.


Sorry, but the site isn't at fault here.



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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:51 PM

I'd contact George directly. I don't think he needs your money that bad ...

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:53 PM

I would just dispute the charge with the credit card company and be done.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:53 PM

I wouldnt call this shady business. You agreeded to terms and conditions when u signed up
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:56 PM

You simply messed up and have to deal with the consequences. The 30 days does not apply because you used the services already for 12 months and know exactly what it is about.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:56 PM

Don't see where this is shady.  It's the same with the chain gym memberships and other annual fee offerings.  You missed the window for cancellation prior to the renewal.  Caveat emptor.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:58 PM

I think you'll find all the terms and conditions cover all of the auto renew stuff. Almost all online subscriptions are opt out, not opt in.

Furthermore they're probably using third party software to manage the renewal of that subscription and payment.  You'll probably find an email from a week prior to your card being charged telling you they would be charging you in a week's time and you had that time to opt out.

It may seem harsh but this is why you read the fine print.  It's also why whenever you subscribe to anything like this set yourself a reminder 30 days prior to the renewal so you can opt out.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:08 PM

to my recollection, i only signed up for a year membership and also the site has completely gone under renovation (new design, new url) since i first joined so who knows what the T&C was when i first signed up.

also, i never received a renewal notice from them, only notice was the charge on my cc bill. granted if i did get one and i missed that chance, then thats on me.  thats not the case here.

you know what though, i got too comfortable dealing with reputable businesses like amazon and figured that all business would operate this way.  my mistake.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:10 PM

It might not be shady, but itís terrible customer service.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:12 PM

I don't know why I'm chiming in, but if a customer wants a refund, give him a refund. Trapping people with auto renewing and hiding behind the terms/conditions is sleazy.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:52 PM

I kind of agree with the previous two guys. Itís probably allowed, but I still think itís not good customer service. Who is this Gankas guy btw? Seems like a lot of money to fork over for a year.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:07 PM

I would just contact GG direct, bet he will take care of it. Never had any problems with him in the past
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:18 AM

agree with few others. legally, yes you probably can't get your money back. but most quality companies that value customers and customer service would do the right thing and refund the money. especially as you caught it a day or two after.

the legality of something doesn't always dictate whether something is good or bad.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:27 AM

Why post this here? Plaster this all over GGs Instagram account, I'm sure you'll get your money back
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:29 AM

You may be committing libel with your post heading.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:58 AM

I really like watching GG's videos. He seems like a standup guy but autorenew on a website with your name on it does not seem right whatever the legal mumbo jumbo. Just my opinion.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:26 PM

i have reached out to GG directly through instagram last night, he said he will look into immediately.  i checked insta this morning and it seemed like he was busy playing golf, lol

obviously auto-renewal systems arent new to the internet, but i feel there are some definite legal guidelines that should be met.  most obvious ones are outlined here: https://venturebeat....ewal-conundrum/

his site does not meet any of those guidelines.  i reviewed the order confirmation email that i received when i first signed up, no mention of auto-renewal or non-refunds, in fact it stated the following under terms:

Terms
$197.00 now, then $197.00 yearly. Cancel anytime.

If the terms and conditions did change, i never received notice of it. also, they never bothered to send me a renewal notice before they charged my CC.  shady is a mild term to describe their business practices.  no libel, just the truth.

dont get me wrong, i really enjoy GG's instructional videos and find his teaching methods effective, but dealing with his business partners has soured my overall experience.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:49 PM

Regardless of the legality of these practices, I find them questionable. It puts the onus on the customer to stop it. At a minimum the vendor should contact the customer a month in advance to inform him of the pending charge, and what to do to if those services are no longer needed or wanted.

And, it seems when you want to stop the service, it's like pulling teeth...most will try and sell you even more.

Any time I see something I may be interested in with an auto charge proviso, I pass. Reminds me of those horror stories I have read about on this site and Warrior Golf.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:52 PM

Personally, I don't agree with year long memberships on instructors sites....selling a few videos here and there is fine, but trapping someone into a year long auto renewal is a little crummy.  Unfortunately his site has morphed more into the Chuck Quinton-esque type of site.  While I do think GG is a legit and good instructor, it's apparent someone is handling this for him and not doing a great job.  While I do agree that you should have read the t&c more carefully and it unfortunately is your own fault, most places would rather let you out than risk the bad publicity.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:53 PM

I don't understand the need for the infomercial site, he is a popular instructor and I don't think needs the scammy look to sell memberships.  I think he is making himself look bad by dealing with whoever is running his site.

Look at Monte's site, just straightforward info with links to buy video, info about his clinics, and a good blog.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:56 PM

As opposed to digging your heels in here within the thread, and citing reader Q&As with attorneys, you might have a better chance just dealing with the man directly (regardless of his early morning tee time today).  

He already said he was going to fix it.

I understand you're upset, but, reinforcing the notion that you believe this company is shady isn't exactly helping your cause.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:57 PM

Very similar situation here.   I just ate the 197.  George may be a good guy but the people that run the site are bottom feeding scum bags.   I tried to email and contact support but I got no response at all, I finally got contacted by the customer service guy after I disputed the charge and he agreed to give me a refund and then said the credit card wouldn't accept it.   Of course they disputed my charge back as well.  

My beef is that I reached out BEFORE the renewal but was ignored.

I brought it up on the Facebook site but was simply removed.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:59 PM

View PostGLG20, on 12 October 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

My beef is that I reached out BEFORE the renewal but was ignored.

This is a completely different case, and if they charged your account you're 100% in the right to get your money back.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:04 PM

View Postjimwgt26, on 11 October 2017 - 08:12 PM, said:

I don't know why I'm chiming in, but if a customer wants a refund, give him a refund. Trapping people with auto renewing and hiding behind the terms/conditions is sleazy.
They went well above and beyond disputing my charge back.  I even have the customer service guys voicemail saying he would give me a refund but they did not.   I let this go for awhile but seeing another person post about this really has me pissed again.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:23 PM

View PostMillbrook, on 12 October 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

You may be committing libel with your post heading.
I'm sure your'e saying that because you care and you're not trying to stir it up?  Stop it with that nonsense.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:34 PM

View Postferrispgm, on 12 October 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

Personally, I don't agree with year long memberships on instructors sites....selling a few videos here and there is fine, but trapping someone into a year long auto renewal is a little crummy. Unfortunately his site has morphed more into the Chuck Quinton-esque type of site.  While I do think GG is a legit and good instructor, it's apparent someone is handling this for him and not doing a great job.  While I do agree that you should have read the t&c more carefully and it unfortunately is your own fault, most places would rather let you out than risk the bad publicity.

To be fair there is a monthly payment options on the site as well for people who don't want to stump up for 12 months. It's ultimately up to the buyer whether they want to purchase a year-long membership, so I hardly think it constitutes "trapping" them. I do agree that members should be given at least one months notice of the imminent auto-renewal though.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:43 PM

View Postjj9000, on 12 October 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

As opposed to digging your heels in here within the thread, and citing reader Q&As with attorneys, you might have a better chance just dealing with the man directly (regardless of his early morning tee time today).  

He already said he was going to fix it.

I understand you're upset, but, reinforcing the notion that you believe this company is shady isn't exactly helping your cause.
i did reach out to GG directly.  he said he would look into it immediately, he never said he was going to fix it.  so far, i have not received a refund from them and at this point, i dont believe i will.

also, if you feel their business practices are ethical, please give me the names of the business you own and i will be sure to avoid them in the future.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:43 PM

View PostMrWolf, on 12 October 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

View Postferrispgm, on 12 October 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

Personally, I don't agree with year long memberships on instructors sites....selling a few videos here and there is fine, but trapping someone into a year long auto renewal is a little crummy. Unfortunately his site has morphed more into the Chuck Quinton-esque type of site.  While I do think GG is a legit and good instructor, it's apparent someone is handling this for him and not doing a great job.  While I do agree that you should have read the t&c more carefully and it unfortunately is your own fault, most places would rather let you out than risk the bad publicity.

To be fair there is a monthly payment options on the site as well for people who don't want to stump up for 12 months. It's ultimately up to the buyer whether they want to purchase a year-long membership, so I hardly think it constitutes "trapping" them. I do agree that members should be given at least one months notice of the imminent auto-renewal though.

To me the trapping is the auto renewal....fine for insurance as you need it, but for most other things, you should get an email or letter asking if you want to renew and have to consciously do something to renew.  Auto renewal exists only to catch people off guard.

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