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POLL: Who Made Tiger's "TGR" Blade Prototype Irons?


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Poll: POLL: Who made Tiger's 'TGR' Irons? (516 member(s) have cast votes)

What manufacturer do you think made Tiger's irons?

  1. Bridgestone (14 votes [2.71%] - View)

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  2. Callaway (1 votes [0.19%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.19%

  3. Miura (121 votes [23.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.45%

  4. Mizuno (32 votes [6.20%] - View)

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  5. Nike (230 votes [44.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.57%

  6. TaylorMade (77 votes [14.92%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.92%

  7. Titleist (8 votes [1.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.55%

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#61 buckeyefl

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:33 PM

View Postmussgolf, on 12 October 2017 - 12:29 PM, said:

Most of these post crack me up. Some guesses may be closer than other, but one day the truth will be revealed...until that day, I will keep my mouth shut.

Dont bet on it.


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 02:41 PM

View PostTWshoot67, on 11 October 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

Looks like Nike heads with a custom grind by probably Mike Taylor.  Hard to tell from just the limited amount of pics we're seeing. But I'd guess Endo forged.

My vote as well is for Endo.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 03:14 PM

View Postnoodle3872, on 12 October 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

View PostQuickFeet, on 12 October 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

View PostGC70, on 12 October 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

It would be so cool if Mike Taylor worked on these!

Pretty sure he did.  Attached pic (looks to be the TGR irons in the works) is from Artisan Golf Instagram pictures.

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Where those pics came from...
http://ngnation.com/...es-tw-cp-irons/

Definitely not the same irons as in that pic on ngnation, although crafted by same hands💪, on same cart, and similar shop towel underneath🙊😀

Edited by Mitchell, 12 October 2017 - 03:15 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 03:48 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 12 October 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 12 October 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

He has a deal w/ TM..............they said last year that they were working with him to come up with his own grind and it would be 9-12 months to see it.. Why is there even speculation on this?

The key component in all this is who "they" are. It's not pimple faced boys at TM.  A lot of the theys are just marketing words.

Rory's irons were developed by TM, Tiger's look just like those except the muscle is different, slightly. TM does prototyping and development via NC machining out of billets of steel. After that, if they go into production then the "they" might be someone else. He is signed to TM, they do have their own skunk works, why would they hire outside for that?

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 04:28 PM

View PostNard_S, on 12 October 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 12 October 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 12 October 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

He has a deal w/ TM..............they said last year that they were working with him to come up with his own grind and it would be 9-12 months to see it.. Why is there even speculation on this?

The key component in all this is who "they" are.     It's not pimple faced boys at TM.  A lot of the theys are just marketing words.

Rory's irons were developed by TM, Tiger's look just like those except the muscle is different, slightly. TM does prototyping and development via NC machining out of billets of steel. After that, if they go into production then the "they" might be someone else. He is signed to TM, they do have their own skunk works, why would they hire outside for that?

Boils down to whether you think the guy who creates the grind is the builder or the kid running the Cnc machine ?  

Someone has to do the hand work so the program can be written.  No reason to think it's isn't the same person who's built Tigers irons for eons.     Tiger isn't swapping irons. Just logos.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 06:12 PM

VR Pro blanks by MT. Look at muscle profile and P ans underlined 6 iron number font

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:21 PM

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:03 PM

VR Pro blades blank most likely.  
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:49 PM

View Postwesstlee18, on 12 October 2017 - 01:00 AM, said:

Miura doesn’t make irons for Nike, or any other manufacture. It’s just a rumor that keeps going and going and going. It’s unfortunate that this rumor keeps surfacing. It came up when Callaway released the new MB’s, then when Taylormade released the tour protos. It’s like no other company gets any credit for a nice new blade. So sick and tired of it.

PS. I’ve hit Miuras... meh.

I’d play 2 dozen other blades before I play Miuras. My apologies to the “3” people on golfwrx that play Miuras.

Miura def did make forgings for taylormade. The full 2004 rac tp cb sets were miura forged, TM said so.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:18 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 12 October 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 12 October 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 12 October 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 12 October 2017 - 08:15 AM, said:

He has a deal w/ TM..............they said last year that they were working with him to come up with his own grind and it would be 9-12 months to see it.. Why is there even speculation on this?

The key component in all this is who "they" are. It's not pimple faced boys at TM.  A lot of the theys are just marketing words.

Rory's irons were developed by TM, Tiger's look just like those except the muscle is different, slightly. TM does prototyping and development via NC machining out of billets of steel. After that, if they go into production then the "they" might be someone else. He is signed to TM, they do have their own skunk works, why would they hire outside for that?

Boils down to whether you think the guy who creates the grind is the builder or the kid running the Cnc machine ?  

Someone has to do the hand work so the program can be written.  No reason to think it's isn't the same person who's built Tigers irons for eons. Tiger isn't swapping irons. Just logos.

Could be right, also could be they use a CMM machine and digitally copy the VR Pro, then spit out an exact duplicate.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:02 AM

Didn't Rory say that he had enough Nike golf balls to last him another 5 years when they shut down the equipment line? In that case wouldn't Tiger have enough Nike Blade iron sets to last him a lifetime if thats what he wanted?

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:59 AM

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:21 AM

View PostWHC888, on 12 October 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

VR Pro blades blank most likely.  
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Looks identical to my slanted eyes.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:22 AM

VR pro blade blanks. I'd bet he has a lot of those blanks tucked away somewhere. I know I would if I were him.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:30 AM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 11 October 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

They look at exactly like VR's, and the P even has the little section sticking out the bottom of the stamping. No question they are VR's.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:37 AM

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 09:58 AM

hmmmm......not sure if that's real Tiger's account?? Tiger changed all his social media logo to his TGR foundation instead of TW logo..
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:05 AM

I believe we have an answer.  These irons came from Mike Taylor.  I suspect he has a lot of Nike/Oven stock and can supply many former Nike staff players whatever club they desire.  Knowing the history of Tiger Woods, he will keep these irons in play for a year or two until the new TM prototype meets his liking.  I am sure he has his standard equipment criteria clause in the TM club contract.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:07 AM

View PostBirdiesnBrews, on 12 October 2017 - 08:49 PM, said:

View Postwesstlee18, on 12 October 2017 - 01:00 AM, said:

Miura doesnít make irons for Nike, or any other manufacture. Itís just a rumor that keeps going and going and going. Itís unfortunate that this rumor keeps surfacing. It came up when Callaway released the new MBís, then when Taylormade released the tour protos. Itís like no other company gets any credit for a nice new blade. So sick and tired of it.

PS. Iíve hit Miuras... meh.

Iíd play 2 dozen other blades before I play Miuras. My apologies to the ď3Ē people on golfwrx that play Miuras.

Miura def did make forgings for taylormade. The full 2004 rac tp cb sets were miura forged, TM said so.

Miura made irons for TaylorMade and MacGregor. They made Tigerís T irons, but they never made any of Nike irons.  They stopped making irons for TaylorMade because they couldnít supply the volume required. They made Titleist irons for Tiger because the last major forging house in the U.S. was having quality problems producing the 681s (head weights and poor chrome)

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:40 AM

View PostWHC888, on 13 October 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

hmmmm......not sure if that's real Tiger's account?? Tiger changed all his social media logo to his TGR foundation instead of TW logo..

You make the trip to Ft. Worth a couple of months ago to see Mike and his setup?

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:51 AM

View PostQuickFeet, on 13 October 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

View PostWHC888, on 13 October 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

hmmmm......not sure if that's real Tiger's account?? Tiger changed all his social media logo to his TGR foundation instead of TW logo..

You make the trip to Ft. Worth a couple of months ago to see Mike and his setup?
yea sir, it was a great visit, quite impressive to see that Mike and John purchased ALL the equipment there, also saw some "what could've been" Nike stuff while I was there. Planning on going back soon to pick up my wedges that MT worked on.

btw, not questioning whether MT did those TGR irons or not, I think he did. I'm just questioning the legitimacy of that apparent Tiger tweet. Looks off.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 10:57 AM

View Postsandy, on 13 October 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

View PostBirdiesnBrews, on 12 October 2017 - 08:49 PM, said:

View Postwesstlee18, on 12 October 2017 - 01:00 AM, said:

Miura doesn’t make irons for Nike, or any other manufacture. It’s just a rumor that keeps going and going and going. It’s unfortunate that this rumor keeps surfacing. It came up when Callaway released the new MB’s, then when Taylormade released the tour protos. It’s like no other company gets any credit for a nice new blade. So sick and tired of it.

PS. I’ve hit Miuras... meh.

I’d play 2 dozen other blades before I play Miuras. My apologies to the “3” people on golfwrx that play Miuras.

Miura def did make forgings for taylormade. The full 2004 rac tp cb sets were miura forged, TM said so.

Miura made irons for TaylorMade and MacGregor. They made Tiger’s T irons, but they never made any of Nike irons.  They stopped making irons for TaylorMade because they couldn’t supply the volume required. They made Titleist irons for Tiger because the last major forging house in the U.S. was having quality problems producing the 681s (head weights and poor chrome)

“Someone” has to provide the counter rumors that Miura has never made anything ;)

If Miura was just a forging house for TM and MAC, then why are they even in the conversation. No one ever says, “oh Tiger Plays Endo forged Irons...” which is probably the most true statement never said.

Nike, you’re spot on there.

Miura never made the T irons for Tiger. They were a custom forged set by Hoffman. I’ve got photographs to prove it. Yeah the forgings lacked in quality, but when you get a new set every year, chrome quality wasn’t an issue, it was only an issue for mass production. That’s why Titleist went to endo after the 681.

Oh, and Tiger did make a public statement that he has never played an iron forged by Miura. So there is that too.

Bottom line, If Miura is just seen as a forging house, then that’s fine, I’ll group them with endo and the others. Metal is metal, that’s great. No real genius involved there.

But by no means should they ever get credit for design, shaping and grind. That is the true genius behind the golf clubs, and why it’s truly special to have a set ground by Don White or Mike Taylor.

Again, anyone can forge metal into a crude shape, but it takes skill and craftsmanship to grind out the final product. And that final product is owned by the company that stamps their name on it or the craftsman, not the forging house that supplies the raw blanks.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:10 AM

You guys are too much. Truth had been spelled out here 12  times . And was obvious.  It takes a tiger tweet to know this ?  Lol
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#84 DRRicks

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:31 PM

That tweet is fake. TW's twitter feed has nothing about this.
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#85 WidespreadPanic

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:43 PM

Muira getting 103 votes is so laughable.

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#86 bladehunter

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:52 PM

Or is it ?!?
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#87 jonn443

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

All us orginal members whom guessed correctly on those beastly blades being NIke..take a bow. Too bad we can’t use our talents for good use...��
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#88 BlackM00Nlight

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:30 PM

Donít doubt itís a MT grind but thatís a fake TW post.

View Postyoungwaldo, on 13 October 2017 - 08:21 AM, said:

View PostWHC888, on 12 October 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

VR Pro blades blank most likely.  
Posted Image

Looks identical to my slanted eyes.

Wk

This settles it. No denying the exactness here.

Edited by BlackM00Nlight, 13 October 2017 - 08:31 PM.

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#89 TWshoot67

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 04:39 PM

View Postwesstlee18, on 13 October 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

View Postsandy, on 13 October 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

View PostBirdiesnBrews, on 12 October 2017 - 08:49 PM, said:

View Postwesstlee18, on 12 October 2017 - 01:00 AM, said:

Miura doesn’t make irons for Nike, or any other manufacture. It’s just a rumor that keeps going and going and going. It’s unfortunate that this rumor keeps surfacing. It came up when Callaway released the new MB’s, then when Taylormade released the tour protos. It’s like no other company gets any credit for a nice new blade. So sick and tired of it.

PS. I’ve hit Miuras... meh.

I’d play 2 dozen other blades before I play Miuras. My apologies to the “3” people on golfwrx that play Miuras.

Miura def did make forgings for taylormade. The full 2004 rac tp cb sets were miura forged, TM said so.

Miura made irons for TaylorMade and MacGregor. They made Tiger’s T irons, but they never made any of Nike irons.  They stopped making irons for TaylorMade because they couldn’t supply the volume required. They made Titleist irons for Tiger because the last major forging house in the U.S. was having quality problems producing the 681s (head weights and poor chrome)

“Someone” has to provide the counter rumors that Miura has never made anything ;)

If Miura was just a forging house for TM and MAC, then why are they even in the conversation. No one ever says, “oh Tiger Plays Endo forged Irons...” which is probably the most true statement never said.

Nike, you’re spot on there.

Miura never made the T irons for Tiger. They were a custom forged set by Hoffman. I’ve got photographs to prove it. Yeah the forgings lacked in quality, but when you get a new set every year, chrome quality wasn’t an issue, it was only an issue for mass production. That’s why Titleist went to endo after the 681.

Oh, and Tiger did make a public statement that he has never played an iron forged by Miura. So there is that too.

Bottom line, If Miura is just seen as a forging house, then that’s fine, I’ll group them with endo and the others. Metal is metal, that’s great. No real genius involved there.

But by no means should they ever get credit for design, shaping and grind. That is the true genius behind the golf clubs, and why it’s truly special to have a set ground by Don White or Mike Taylor.

Again, anyone can forge metal into a crude shape, but it takes skill and craftsmanship to grind out the final product. And that final product is owned by the company that stamps their name on it or the craftsman, not the forging house that supplies the raw blanks.

My 2 cents.

Oh, by the way Miura did in fact make a T stamp set 681's. They were a limited to 500 sets and numbered set with  1/500- 500/500. Here's the two different sets.

Hoffman forged T sets:
ti02i_681t_3.jpg

Miura T stamped 681's:
post-64817-1224374319-1_zpsd743c8f5.jpg
post-64817-1224374320-3.jpg

Every was and a blue moon years ago I tried purchasing a set of these Miura forgings as they also came with a Certificate of authenticity.


PS: When this topic first came up I PM'd Mike Taylor over at Artisan, no reply and I posted on his facebook asking the question if he made Tiger's irons shown above.  No answer to question again. But I did see Golfwrx.com say they have an inside source stating that in fact Mike Taylor did make Tigers New proto's.

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#90 wesstlee18

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 04:48 PM

View PostTWshoot67, on 18 October 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

View Postwesstlee18, on 13 October 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

View Postsandy, on 13 October 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

View PostBirdiesnBrews, on 12 October 2017 - 08:49 PM, said:

View Postwesstlee18, on 12 October 2017 - 01:00 AM, said:

Miura doesn’t make irons for Nike, or any other manufacture. It’s just a rumor that keeps going and going and going. It’s unfortunate that this rumor keeps surfacing. It came up when Callaway released the new MB’s, then when Taylormade released the tour protos. It’s like no other company gets any credit for a nice new blade. So sick and tired of it.

PS. I’ve hit Miuras... meh.

I’d play 2 dozen other blades before I play Miuras. My apologies to the “3” people on golfwrx that play Miuras.

Miura def did make forgings for taylormade. The full 2004 rac tp cb sets were miura forged, TM said so.

Miura made irons for TaylorMade and MacGregor. They made Tiger’s T irons, but they never made any of Nike irons.  They stopped making irons for TaylorMade because they couldn’t supply the volume required. They made Titleist irons for Tiger because the last major forging house in the U.S. was having quality problems producing the 681s (head weights and poor chrome)

“Someone” has to provide the counter rumors that Miura has never made anything ;)

If Miura was just a forging house for TM and MAC, then why are they even in the conversation. No one ever says, “oh Tiger Plays Endo forged Irons...” which is probably the most true statement never said.

Nike, you’re spot on there.

Miura never made the T irons for Tiger. They were a custom forged set by Hoffman. I’ve got photographs to prove it. Yeah the forgings lacked in quality, but when you get a new set every year, chrome quality wasn’t an issue, it was only an issue for mass production. That’s why Titleist went to endo after the 681.

Oh, and Tiger did make a public statement that he has never played an iron forged by Miura. So there is that too.

Bottom line, If Miura is just seen as a forging house, then that’s fine, I’ll group them with endo and the others. Metal is metal, that’s great. No real genius involved there.

But by no means should they ever get credit for design, shaping and grind. That is the true genius behind the golf clubs, and why it’s truly special to have a set ground by Don White or Mike Taylor.

Again, anyone can forge metal into a crude shape, but it takes skill and craftsmanship to grind out the final product. And that final product is owned by the company that stamps their name on it or the craftsman, not the forging house that supplies the raw blanks.

My 2 cents.

Oh, by the way Miura did in fact make a T stamp set 681's. They were a limited to 500 sets and numbered set with  1/500- 500/500. Here's the two different sets.

Hoffman forged T sets:
ti02i_681t_3.jpg

Miura T stamped 681's:
post-64817-1224374319-1_zpsd743c8f5.jpg
post-64817-1224374320-3.jpg

Every was and a blue moon years ago I tried purchasing a set of these Miura forgings as they also came with a Certificate of authenticity.


PS: When this topic first came up I PM'd Mike Taylor over at Artisan, no reply and I posted on his facebook asking the question if he made Tiger's irons shown above.  No answer to question again. But I did see Golfwrx.com say they have an inside source stating that in fact Mike Taylor did make Tigers New proto's.

Yeah, not sure why Titleist let Miura do that.

Here is a pic of Tigers OG Titleist Blades, which are not like the Titleist or Miura

Posted Image

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