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#91 Bravcon

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:37 PM

View PostLacey Underall, on 11 October 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

He did the same thing at Nike, doesn't that kind of back up my point?  Sure they eventually released the TW Blades at Nike and I guess they did moderately well.  My bet is that these TGR irons never get released.  The TM reps have to want their guys playing something that at least resembles retail.  So he's not playing their irons, not playing the ball.........I guess the woods and wedges are enough?

No doubt Phil gets a little crazy with his equipment.  But if you look at his bag besides the putter he is playing stock Callaway heads......with maybe just a touch of lead tape thrown in there at times.  :)  You could say the PM wedge was Phil being a diva but they released it at retail and it has done quite well.

Look Tiger is the GOAT, you need an ego to be that good, and I guess he has earned the right to be demanding.  But to me it screams "I'm so good that I need something different from everyone else.  Nobody makes anything good enough for me."  That's just how I read it.

I think you just hate Tiger.  And that's ok.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:43 PM

View Postgrm24, on 11 October 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

View PostLacey Underall, on 11 October 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

Rory said in that recent podcast "I really don't want to mess with all of that prototype stuff.  I don't need something made especially for me.  Just give me something that works and I'll play it."  
That sounds great in theory but both Callaway and TM made sets especially for him.
Point taken, but having a current club (Apex MB raw, new TM blade) and having the offset reduced or toe grinded a certain way is far different than what Tiger does.

And the Phrankenwood seriously?  One club where he had the loft reduced and shaft lengthened?  

Oh well, this is like arguing politics.  Nobody wins.  Tiger and Phil are both great for the game.  Both are divas and we know that.  Let's get Tiger healthy so we can see these guys down the stretch at Augusta in April.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 01:55 PM

More Miuras?

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:35 PM

Definitely vr pros. Don’t blame him! Such a good blade.  I’m assuming this is the set he uses for awhile.  May take some time for taylormade to build the exact set or something close. Who knows
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 02:42 PM

View PostTheMoneyShot, on 11 October 2017 - 07:24 AM, said:

View Postskia4life89, on 11 October 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

I am not really sure of the details on Tiger and Taylormade's contract, but if I was them I would be a little annoyed.  Just use the 730's and the milled grind wedges and get used to them.  Clearly re branded Nike irons and using old Nike wedges.

Agreed.  I wonder if this could be a indication that TW and TM are parting ways in the future?

Would make sense. He's very unlikely to use their clubs to any success given his injury problems and given the new owners will be looking to make cuts...I can't see his contract being beneficial to them in the long run.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:18 PM

View PostJonnyKrasnodar, on 11 October 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

View PostTheMoneyShot, on 11 October 2017 - 07:24 AM, said:

View Postskia4life89, on 11 October 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

I am not really sure of the details on Tiger and Taylormade's contract, but if I was them I would be a little annoyed.  Just use the 730's and the milled grind wedges and get used to them.  Clearly re branded Nike irons and using old Nike wedges.

Agreed.  I wonder if this could be a indication that TW and TM are parting ways in the future?

Would make sense. He's very unlikely to use their clubs to any success given his injury problems and given the new owners will be looking to make cuts...I can't see his contract being beneficial to them in the long run.

If Tiger returns to any form, his contract will be beneficial to TaylorMade. And Im pretty sure the current TM owners had to OK the deal with Tiger because they agreed to buy TaylorMade soon after the Tiger deal was made even though the contract is heavily dependent on how many tournaments Tiger plays.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:31 PM

View PostCwebb, on 11 October 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

Random question.....does anyone know whether or not the steel shafts that he used in his driver and 3 wood back in the day, were "standard"  DG wood shafts.....or were they a prototype made for his custom bore throughs?

Tiger used X-100 in his driver & 3 wood until around 2004/5. I remember Phil talking about Tiger playing inferior equipment , by using a small cc head driver and steel shaft.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 03:55 PM

If Miura irons are the shinizzle, why didn't any of the players with no contract (Nike guys) put them in the bag?  Just sayin'. Seems like a lot of Mizuno irons in play though.

Edit: Stephen Ames doesn't count. I'm talking PGA Tour.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 04:20 PM

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

If Miura irons are the shinizzle, why didn't any of the players with no contract (Nike guys) put them in the bag?  Just sayin'. Seems like a lot of Mizuno irons in play though.

Edit: Stephen Ames doesn't count. I'm talking PGA Tour.

They don't have Tour vans?
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:06 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

If Miura irons are the shinizzle, why didn't any of the players with no contract (Nike guys) put them in the bag?  Just sayin'. Seems like a lot of Mizuno irons in play though.

Edit: Stephen Ames doesn't count. I'm talking PGA Tour.

They don't have Tour vans?

So, having a Tour van is an influential factor?  Pretty weak.

Seriously, these guys can play whatever they want and none of them chose Miura.


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:12 PM

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

If Miura irons are the shinizzle, why didn't any of the players with no contract (Nike guys) put them in the bag?  Just sayin'. Seems like a lot of Mizuno irons in play though.

Edit: Stephen Ames doesn't count. I'm talking PGA Tour.

They don't have Tour vans?

So, having a Tour van is an influential factor?  Pretty weak.

Seriously, these guys can play whatever they want and none of them chose Miura.

Maybe because they are testing Mizuno irons because Mizuno will pay if you test them, like them, and want a deal

Edited by Holy Moses, 11 October 2017 - 05:41 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:16 PM

Mizuno doesn't pay anyone to play their irons last I was told except Luke, Stacey, and Chris.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:24 PM

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Mizuno doesn't pay anyone to play their irons last I was told except Luke, Stacey, and Chris.

"told"?

http://insider.mizun...-player-roster/

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

View PostCStephenson17, on 11 October 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Mizuno doesn't pay anyone to play their irons last I was told except Luke, Stacey, and Chris.

"told"?

http://insider.mizun...-player-roster/

Tour rep lives down the street from my shop. So yes, told.  Koepka and Casey aren't on that list. There are a few others gaming Mizuno by choice too. Still no Miura.  
Makes you wonder, they may have been good at forging, but maybe not so much at the design. I've always liked Miura irons but have never played them.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:06 PM

Phils  KBS shafts are Tour V 125. And you can buy them from KBS or any of their dealers.

But I hope we see tiger playing and healthy while playing...


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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:56 PM

It will be very interesting to see what TW shows up with on the first tee at his comeback tourney.  This place will implode...

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM

Jonathan Wall wonders (and so do I), why the Nike badging was taken off his irons but not off the wedges
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:11 PM

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

Jonathan Wall wonders (and so do I), why the Nike badging was taken off his irons but not off the wedges

My guess is that his TM wedges aren't ready yet.  Wonder if they are loading his grind onto a program to have the grind milled?    If so that's probably a long process to get just so.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:13 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 October 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

Jonathan Wall wonders (and so do I), why the Nike badging was taken off his irons but not off the wedges

My guess is that his TM wedges aren't ready yet.  Wonder if they are loading his grind onto a program to have the grind milled? If so that's probably a long process to get just so.

So why not put the TGR badging on his wedges while he waits? Unless you think the irons he has now are the TaylorMade irons he will use and TaylorMade and Tiger don't want websites like WRX guessing about Tiger's clubs.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:25 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 October 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

Jonathan Wall wonders (and so do I), why the Nike badging was taken off his irons but not off the wedges

My guess is that his TM wedges aren't ready yet.  Wonder if they are loading his grind onto a program to have the grind milled?    If so that's probably a long process to get just so.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:16 AM

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

Jonathan Wall wonders (and so do I), why the Nike badging was taken off his irons but not off the wedges

His TGR wedges are still in the process of refinement:)

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:54 AM

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

If Miura irons are the shinizzle, why didn't any of the players with no contract (Nike guys) put them in the bag?  Just sayin'. Seems like a lot of Mizuno irons in play though.

Edit: Stephen Ames doesn't count. I'm talking PGA Tour.

They don't have Tour vans?

So, having a Tour van is an influential factor?  Pretty weak.

Seriously, these guys can play whatever they want and none of them chose Miura.

Maybe because people have romanticized the Miura brand and think there is magic pixie dust in the metal he uses to forged club heads.  Reality is Mizuno and many other companies make irons just as soft and just as good if not better from a tech standpoint.  I know it's not exciting news but it's reality.  Miura not having tour support is another BIG factor. If they don't have a van why would a pro who needs things right then and there bother?  These van's go through dozens or hundreds of clubs a day for these guys so it's vital to have your team there to support players.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:33 PM

View PostJ13, on 12 October 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

View Posttrhode, on 11 October 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

If Miura irons are the shinizzle, why didn't any of the players with no contract (Nike guys) put them in the bag?  Just sayin'. Seems like a lot of Mizuno irons in play though.

Edit: Stephen Ames doesn't count. I'm talking PGA Tour.

They don't have Tour vans?

So, having a Tour van is an influential factor?  Pretty weak.

Seriously, these guys can play whatever they want and none of them chose Miura.

Maybe because people have romanticized the Miura brand and think there is magic pixie dust in the metal he uses to forged club heads.  Reality is Mizuno and many other companies make irons just as soft and just as good if not better from a tech standpoint.  I know it's not exciting news but it's reality.  Miura not having tour support is another BIG factor. If they don't have a van why would a pro who needs things right then and there bother?  These van's go through dozens or hundreds of clubs a day for these guys so it's vital to have your team there to support players.

There is a lot of support for players from the shaft vans too.  True Temper is always helping the other OEM's take care of their builds, for example.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:52 PM

View PostTheMoneyShot, on 12 October 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

Jonathan Wall wonders (and so do I), why the Nike badging was taken off his irons but not off the wedges

His TGR wedges are still in the process of refinement:)

Or maybe he isn't needing new wedges yet.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:25 PM

View PostNeed4spd, on 10 October 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

View PostCStephenson17, on 10 October 2017 - 08:53 PM, said:

View PostNeed4spd, on 10 October 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

What the heck does TGR stand for anyway?

Miura


Hahah just kidding. It’s his investment group he started earlier this year.

I know that, but what does the acronym actually stand for?

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 04:36 AM

If Tiger and Taylormade have any humour, his new TGR wedges will be huge cavity backs.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:34 AM

sorry if this was already asked/answered, but, in the most recent "driver" video, is he still using the M2(2016)?

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:54 AM

View Postmjbaker80, on 16 October 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

sorry if this was already asked/answered, but, in the most recent "driver" video, is he still using the M2(2016)?

It was the 2016 M2
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#119 mjbaker80

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:27 AM

View Postjll62, on 16 October 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

View Postmjbaker80, on 16 October 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

sorry if this was already asked/answered, but, in the most recent "driver" video, is he still using the M2(2016)?

It was the 2016 M2

Thanks man!

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#120 TheMoneyShot

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:16 PM

View Postnoodle3872, on 12 October 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

View PostTheMoneyShot, on 12 October 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

View PostHoly Moses, on 11 October 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

Jonathan Wall wonders (and so do I), why the Nike badging was taken off his irons but not off the wedges

His TGR wedges are still in the process of refinement:)

Or maybe he isn't needing new wedges yet.

If not now, he will need them soon..


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