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#1 pmang

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:36 PM

Setting aside distance (since the lofts aren't the same) which do you find more forgiving? Which feels better?

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:15 PM

I tested both of these during a recent fitting.  For me, the i200s were the best feel and fit.  I found the ball off of the P790s to have a spring like feel and extremely variable distance control.  The i200s were far more consistent in both distance (including mishits) and dispersion.  I tried both with Modus 105 shafts.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:31 PM

I played I200s and own 790s.  Distance aside 790s are forged and feel much better in my hands than Ping I200s.  Sole and top line a bitter thinner on 790s but not by much.  790s are extremely long and yes I know the lofts are a bit more than the I200s.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:05 PM

I have both sets, distance is the same and in my opinion Ping feels slightly better. I play the i200’s with power spec lofts.
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Posted 11 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

Im interested in both these irons as well as the g400. I current play g25. Can anyone comment on a height comparison? Distance differences esp for those with the i200 in power spec.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 07:04 PM

Try a set of the i200 s with the power spec lofts, which are close to the 790 lofts and surprise the distance differences completely disappears. I was surprised as the i200s arenít what could be called a thin faced iron, but with equivalent lofts they are just as long and in the long irons slightly longer.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 08:58 PM

My initial questions was mainly forgiveness and feel. Distance isn't of concern. If one manufacturer's club say "8" on the bottom but is the other manufacturers "7" iron distance is irrelevant. It's just "smoke and mirrors" that the consumer has perceived that it is something better. It isn't, it's just got a different dress on now....
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:01 AM

View Postsandy, on 11 October 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

Try a set of the i200 s with the power spec lofts, which are close to the 790 lofts and surprise the distance differences completely disappears. I was surprised as the i200s aren't what could be called a thin faced iron, but with equivalent lofts they are just as long and in the long irons slightly longer.

I200's are a little bit bonkers in the long irons!! On Trackman, they increased my carry yardage with a 4 iron by 15 yards over my 714AP2's (235y vs 220y), along with a 20ft increase in apex height (135ft vs 115ft).

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:26 AM

Maybe a dump Question, but what are Power Spec Lofts??

Just another Name for 1 or 2 degree stronger, or is it a special Head?
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:35 AM

P-790 feels better, launches higher, goes further, and looks better. Slightly thicker top line on the P-790.

i200 is just another cast Ping iron that neither blows you away, or disappoints you. Just solid clubs.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:37 AM

Wow the op states his question isnt about length but feel and forgiveness and the very next post talks about length. Always get a kick how threads go off the rails. Im saying this cause im thinking of pulling the trigger on some i200s would like to hear response from those that play i200s about same thing the op stated.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 10:38 AM

View PostSvenS3, on 12 October 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

Maybe a dump Question, but what are Power Spec Lofts??

Just another Name for 1 or 2 degree stronger, or is it a special Head?

Another name for strong lofts.

They can be useful if you are putting together a combo set, so you don't have gaps.  It can also be useful if you do have distance concerns, and want to have an apples to apples comparison with sets that have jacked lofts.

There are so many sets out there with strong lofts now, that many people have gone to 48 or 50 degree gap wedge setups.  The Power Spec lofts allow you to not have to change your wedges, if you are switching from a set of irons with similarly strong lofts.  It's good to have options.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 01:44 PM

Yeah, I know what strong Lofts are. I play strong Lofts for gapping :-).

Just thought it was maybe a special Head that Ping offers.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:55 PM

View Postpmang, on 11 October 2017 - 08:58 PM, said:

My initial questions was mainly forgiveness and feel. Distance isn't of concern. If one manufacturer's club say "8" on the bottom but is the other manufacturers "7" iron distance is irrelevant. It's just "smoke and mirrors" that the consumer has perceived that it is something better. It isn't, it's just got a different dress on now....

Sorry if it was taken as a thread jack but I am considering both of these and brought the topic of both height and distance into the conversation. I dont know the lofts of any of these irons but thought the i200 in power spec lofts would be comparable to the 790ís.

If height is the same, forgiveness is there and distance is close, Iíd likely go i200. The reasons would be that ping irons hold up as well if not better than anyone elseís from an appearance standpoint and are cheaper.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:37 PM

I felt like the 790s were more forgiving but the i200 felt better. Yes, the 790s are forged, but it’s not like a one piece forging soft and the feel imo is more dominated by being a spring faced iron. I200 is also thin faced and tho not forged  the insert softens it up enough to feel not as hard as old ping castings. What differentiated the feel for me between the two tho wasn’t softness but rather I got much better feedback off the i200s, I had much less of a sense of what kind of shot I hit off the 790s (tho they were rocket launchers). That said, I only played 1round with the 790s (that weren’t mine) and had at least a dozen rounds with i200s (which I sold) so I have more experience with the i200s. I’m not sure about forgiveness, I thought they were both pretty forgiving, but I did have some issues with hooking my i200s, espeically in the longer irons that I didn’t notice with the 790s so I’d probably say 790, although of course that may not have been a forgiveness issue......


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:10 PM

Got a chance to hit TM P790. Not sure about the feel on this club. Felt like I was hitting the ball with a sponge board. Soft...yes....but felt odd. I like the feel and f the I200 better.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:19 PM

View Postgolfnut1964, on 12 October 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Wow the op states his question isnt about length but feel and forgiveness and the very next post talks about length. Always get a kick how threads go off the rails. Im saying this cause im thinking of pulling the trigger on some i200s would like to hear response from those that play i200s about same thing the op stated.

Played my first 9 holes with my new i200s (not Power Spec) with Modus 105 S right out of the box, coming from MP53s with NS Pro 950 R (which I was fit for by the same fitter 4 or 5 years ago).  The i200s are a little "clickier" but I like them.  You can definitely tell where the ball is struck on the clubface.  The mishits feel almost the same as a flushed shot - and toe hits carry nearly as far (unlike the MP53s).  I found I had to change my setup a little by moving the ball back a little more in my stance (at least yesterday).  The look and feel, for me, exudes confidence.  I'm a fan and looking forward to 18 holes tomorrow and Sunday to get a better sense of them.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 03:13 PM

For what it's worth I bought i200's. they're solid. Fly predictable distances (when solidly struck) and the AWT stiff is easier for me to load than the DG105 s flex.
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:36 PM

View Postpmang, on 14 October 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

For what it's worth I bought i200's. they're solid. Fly predictable distances (when solidly struck) and the AWT stiff is easier for me to load than the DG105 s flex.
thats useful as I've used 105 and 95 and quite like them but theres something missing, maybe AWT has the missing link

View PostBomber_11, on 12 October 2017 - 10:35 AM, said:

P-790 feels better, launches higher, goes further, and looks better. Slightly thicker top line on the P-790.

i200 is just another cast Ping iron that neither blows you away, or disappoints you. Just solid clubs.
which puts me right off even trying them

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View Postsandy, on 11 October 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

Try a set of the i200 s with the power spec lofts, which are close to the 790 lofts and surprise the distance differences completely disappears. I was surprised as the i200s aren't what could be called a thin faced iron, but with equivalent lofts they are just as long and in the long irons slightly longer.

I200's are a little bit bonkers in the long irons!! On Trackman, they increased my carry yardage with a 4 iron by 15 yards over my 714AP2's (235y vs 220y), along with a 20ft increase in apex height (135ft vs 115ft).
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:56 AM

View Postgolfnut1964, on 12 October 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Wow the op states his question isnt about length but feel and forgiveness and the very next post talks about length. Always get a kick how threads go off the rails. Im saying this cause im thinking of pulling the trigger on some i200s would like to hear response from those that play i200s about same thing the op stated.

Just shows the obsession with distance. Always shows it's face.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:13 AM

i200 in non-powers spec is the pic if you want more traditional loft/distance/spin.  P790 if you want a distance iron with the player PXG look, and I agree the look is really good.  Tyrell Hatton just won with I200s, but doubt you will every see a pro or very many, if any, low HC amateur playing P790 below a 4 iron.

My MP-25 and i200 were similar in spin and distance, hit P790 before a lesson with my pro the other day and distance was 15 yards additional carry dropping 1k+ of spin.  Feel was excellent, though, in the P790.  I could see P790 3 iron to replacing my MPH5, but hard to fix what ain't broke.
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Posted 28 October 2017 - 01:43 PM

Have a set of P790's with Recoil 760 R shaft and just ordered a set of I200's (with Power spec lofts) with ALTA CB shafts. Hitting the Pings felt effortless, the dispersion was much tighter than the P790 and mishits stayed on line better than the P790.
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Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:14 PM

View Postgolfnut1964, on 12 October 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Wow the op states his question isnt about length but feel and forgiveness and the very next post talks about length. Always get a kick how threads go off the rails. Im saying this cause im thinking of pulling the trigger on some i200s would like to hear response from those that play i200s about same thing the op stated.

thereís a huge difference between how far set one goes vs set two and distance dispersion, which is what the second post talked about.

while the second post did speak about distance it was about consistency and not total yardage.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 10:25 AM

Just a thought but shouldn't the comparison be between the P770's and the i200's not the 790's. Of course the i200 is going to feel more forgiving with the cavity back. IMO the P770 has a better feel and I've been pro Ping since I started golfing. Just my 2 cents
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Posted 01 November 2017 - 11:21 AM

From my experience the i200 are a fine set of cavity backs but they are also indistinguishable from any number of other really good cavity backs out there.

I agree with rmack that a better comparison would be the i200 vs the P770.. which  was done by Michael Newton here.

The P790's are a different animal than either of these.

Accuracy and feel of course are very individual things generally... and what somewhat else experiences is not going to be what you experience. From my testing the P790's were much more forgiving on lower strikes on the face so they took that category for me. Feel wise... the 790's, 770's and i200's all felt fine in their own way. No clear winner here for me but I did think the 790's were a touch softer and more muted in feel, but a touch less muted in sound which I think maybe being mistaken for a clicky feel by some. Click is something you hear and attribute to feel in my book. If you want to try an interesting test sometime take some ear plugs with you to a range and test irons with the ear plugs in... I think you will be in for a big surprise.


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Posted 01 November 2017 - 11:26 AM

I've wondered and I can't find a direct comparison anywhere, how do the g400 and the p790 compare as far as forgiveness goes? I have the g400 but the heads just seem insanely long heel to toe.  but I'm high cap that needs that forgiveness. I don't care about distance really, just not losing distance on slight mishits. obviously nothing is going to save a shank.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

View Postruffellprefley, on 01 November 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

I've wondered and I can't find a direct comparison anywhere, how do the g400 and the p790 compare as far as forgiveness goes? I have the g400 but the heads just seem insanely long heel to toe.  but I'm high cap that needs that forgiveness. I don't care about distance really, just not losing distance on slight mishits. obviously nothing is going to save a shank.

The G400's have way too much run out for me.. forgiveness wise I might be in the minority finding that slightly thin strikes with the G400 while getting airborne, did not fly nearly as high as the 790's.

It sounds like you really have not narrowed down your choices as much as perhaps you could? Also, there are a number of irons either just released or just being released also which really might work nicely for someone looking for forgiveness in a pleasant looking package. Is there a shop you can go to and just spend some time hitting a bunch of choices and see which two or three you really are gravitating towards? If you can I think it will be a great help in decision process.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:29 PM

View Postrainkingjr, on 17 October 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

View Postgolfnut1964, on 12 October 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

Wow the op states his question isnt about length but feel and forgiveness and the very next post talks about length. Always get a kick how threads go off the rails. Im saying this cause im thinking of pulling the trigger on some i200s would like to hear response from those that play i200s about same thing the op stated.

Just shows the obsession with distance. Always shows it's face.
Well, if your actually trying to be "Competitive", then yes its pretty fu$%^&* important. If not, ie.....slap it around club championships, scramble's, and your otherwise general public play on your generic country club, municipal, and public courses,,,,,then no, distance is relatively not important. Which I understand covers roughly 99.8% of all play.
But there is a small, and I mean really small percent of us that were highly competitive back in the 70's, 80's and 90's, now currently in the +50 age range that still strives and enjoys competing against college age kids.
In that perspective, yes distance is beyond important, and its pretty cool that there is equipment out there that allows older scratch players to be competitive in that realm.
At age 52 I'm all for younger players that ego's drive them to play MB's while I hit the same club into a green using super juiced technology.
Fact is they could play the same brand as me and hit two clubs less, but if their not smart enough to do that it just makes it that much easier!!!!
Not honestly trying to bust balls, it's just people shoot off their mouths about distance with zero understanding about the actual competitive side of the game. They only know their little, under 6500 yard, home course world.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 03:13 PM

View Postruffellprefley, on 01 November 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

I've wondered and I can't find a direct comparison anywhere, how do the g400 and the p790 compare as far as forgiveness goes? I have the g400 but the heads just seem insanely long heel to toe.  but I'm high cap that needs that forgiveness. I don't care about distance really, just not losing distance on slight mishits. obviously nothing is going to save a shank.


Again trying to compare the 790's to a cavity back is like comparing apples to oranges. Yes there is a certain amount of forgiveness afforded in each club but as far as severe mishits the two styles of irons aren't even comparable. Basically all game improvement irons are going to have larger heads compared to player irons or blades. They are designed that way to increase the amount of forgiveness.

If what you're looking for is forgiveness then choose the brand of your choice and go with their cavity back irons. I.e. Ping g400, Ping G, taylormade m2, callaway steelhead xr etc. until your game is ready for player irons or blades definitely stick with the larger cavity back irons.

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 03:49 PM

you can still compare the two for forgiveness. it would be like this. "one is more forgiving than the other." I'm wondering how big of a difference it is.  as I stated, obviously nothing is going to save a shank.

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