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#1 getitdaily

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 12:02 PM

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate


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Posted 08 October 2017 - 08:23 PM

You forgot the best hybrid of them all:  the XR and can get it discounted.  The XR was before the XR 16 and before the XR OS. Awesome hybrid.  Hits so solid and so straight and long.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:28 PM

Best way to find out....try them yourself. Each of us has different swings.......each of us look at clubs differently at address. If you can try each of them in the range.....which one will give you the ball flight, ball shape that suits your game.

I play hybrids that a friend of mine can not...and he is a better golfer than me.....
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:38 PM

Don't overlook the new Steelhead series. I can't say enough good and I have been a hybrid player for 15 years.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:42 PM

I cant believe any hybrid could be better than the Apex

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:44 PM

Different hybrids for different people. I keep going back to my RazrX hybrids. They are just too easy.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:51 PM

View Postgetitdaily said:

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate
Apex was first, and is totally unlike the other two. Compact, hence more "workable". Slightly lower launching/spinning head, always a heavy gram weight shaft. They have reminded me of an Adams hybrid from back in the day.

BB Alpha came next. High launching,  mid spin, on the light side. VERY forgiving. Let's face it, this hybrid's design was specifically for joining up with the Big Bertha max game improvement iron.

EPIC came last. I've seen high hdcps use it, and scratch players as well. Feels and acts like the best of BB Alpha, sexier looking than BB Alpha, put with the right shaft can give you a lot of the things better players want to get outta Apex.   (EDIT: IMO overall the EPIC is the best hybrid Callaway has going and it ain't even close)

Edited by Kenny Lee Puckett, 08 October 2017 - 09:58 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 09:57 PM

View Post18thbunker, on 08 October 2017 - 09:28 PM, said:

Best way to find out....try them yourself. Each of us has different swings.......each of us look at clubs differently at address. If you can try each of them in the range.....which one will give you the ball flight, ball shape that suits your game.

I play hybrids that a friend of mine can not...and he is a better golfer than me.....

You're right but I figured I could narrow things down a bit since I didn't think I'd find them all in one location.

Ended up at pga tour ss and hit my current r15 3h against the g400, epic, and m2. M2 was ok. Epic was long...really long, but had a definite draw bias. G400 was stellar but short. Ended up having to go to a 17 degree to get the carry yardage I wanted. All of that testing gave me the info I was after. My gamer has felt light for a while. I could feel it as I hit the other clubs and then hit my gamer. Had them swimg weight measure my gamer and...yep, light. Bought some lead tape, put it on, and the few swings I made with it were just what I wanted. Just need to validate on the range.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 10:01 PM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 08 October 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

View Postgetitdaily said:

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate
Apex was first, and is totally unlike the other two. Compact, hence more "workable". Slightly lower launching/spinning head, always a heavy gram weight shaft. They have reminded me of an Adams hybrid from back in the day.

BB Alpha came next. High launching,  mid spin, on the light side. VERY forgiving. Let's face it, this hybrid's design was specifically for joining up with the Big Bertha max game improvement iron.

EPIC came last. I've seen high hdcps use it, and scratch players as well. Feels and acts like the best of BB Alpha, sexier looking than BB Alpha, put with the right shaft can give you a lot of the things better players want to get outta Apex.   (EDIT: IMO overall the EPIC is the best hybrid Callaway has going and it ain't even close)

I liked the epic except that it had a left bias. I play a fade and still couldn't consistently get that little tailing fade I want, especially with the hybrid.

The other thing was that it's incredibly long. I had the 20 degree lofted down to 19 and was flying it nearly 250. My r15 carries 235 to 240. What I was getting from the epic was ridiculous.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 10:39 PM

View Postgetitdaily, on 08 October 2017 - 10:01 PM, said:

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 08 October 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

View Postgetitdaily said:

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate
Apex was first, and is totally unlike the other two. Compact, hence more "workable". Slightly lower launching/spinning head, always a heavy gram weight shaft. They have reminded me of an Adams hybrid from back in the day.

BB Alpha came next. High launching,  mid spin, on the light side. VERY forgiving. Let's face it, this hybrid's design was specifically for joining up with the Big Bertha max game improvement iron.

EPIC came last. I've seen high hdcps use it, and scratch players as well. Feels and acts like the best of BB Alpha, sexier looking than BB Alpha, put with the right shaft can give you a lot of the things better players want to get outta Apex.   (EDIT: IMO overall the EPIC is the best hybrid Callaway has going and it ain't even close)

I liked the epic except that it had a left bias. I play a fade and still couldn't consistently get that little tailing fade I want, especially with the hybrid.

The other thing was that it's incredibly long. I had the 20 degree lofted down to 19 and was flying it nearly 250. My r15 carries 235 to 240. What I was getting from the epic was ridiculous.
with all that info APEX would be for you. it's fade bais, it's not what I would call a "ball speed" oriented hybrid, you might be able to manage your cover number with it better. FWIW you should check out Titleist's new 918 while you're at it, specifically the H2.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 10:50 PM

still have the alpha 815's to good to switch
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 11:20 PM

I don't think any hybrid is any better than Apex at hitting precisely at the target. The Apex is for players, like myself, who prefer hybrids that play more like irons than fairway woods. The head will remind you a lot of the old Adams Pro hybrid, only no slot on the Apex.

The Apex is not the most forgiving hybrid out there, but it is not hook prone and it is very accurate. I hit mine straight to a little fade. Not a club I seek to max out distance; it elevates for me and will hold greens it hits. Not fatal if you get a little steep with it. Compact head gets down to the ball; excellent off tight lies. I play a 20 degree with a heavy-ish Kuro Kage hybrid shaft and it really has performed for me.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 11:44 PM

View Postgetitdaily, on 08 October 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

View Post18thbunker, on 08 October 2017 - 09:28 PM, said:

Best way to find out....try them yourself. Each of us has different swings.......each of us look at clubs differently at address. If you can try each of them in the range.....which one will give you the ball flight, ball shape that suits your game.

I play hybrids that a friend of mine can not...and he is a better golfer than me.....

You're right but I figured I could narrow things down a bit since I didn't think I'd find them all in one location.

Ended up at pga tour ss and hit my current r15 3h against the g400, epic, and m2. M2 was ok. Epic was long...really long, but had a definite draw bias. G400 was stellar but short. Ended up having to go to a 17 degree to get the carry yardage I wanted. All of that testing gave me the info I was after. My gamer has felt light for a while. I could feel it as I hit the other clubs and then hit my gamer. Had them swimg weight measure my gamer and...yep, light. Bought some lead tape, put it on, and the few swings I made with it were just what I wanted. Just need to validate on the range.

Glad you were able to do this. If you are considering Callaway Apex.....if you can....check out Hogan VKTR Hybrid. I am currently trying out the 23 degree with UST F4 (stiff).

What  I like about this hybrid......very accurate and quite easy to hit. Also it has  'weight adjustments' to compensate for draw or fade or higher flight. Price is also very good.

Now, this hybrid is not a distance one....but I find it quite accurate and easy to hit.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:50 AM

I agree with the above posters regarding the accuracy of the Apex. Just goes dead straight for me, and I'm a guy who fights a hook. One other thing no one ever mentions about it is you can spin the weight out of the bottom and add hotmelt to it, which I did to accommodate a heavier shaft.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:51 AM

I love the big bertha hybrid.  Overall easiest to hit.

I play the epic because it seems to stick greens a little better.

Apex hybrid was the hardest thing in the world for me to hit.  would rather try to hit a 1 iron from a downhill lie.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 05:29 AM

Guess I'll have to find an apex to demo if the swingweight change doesn't resolve my r15 inconsistency.

Thanks all.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:18 AM

Have had a series of Callaway hybrids. Currently using the XR's and they are the best so far.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:40 PM

I am NOT a Callaway guy, but I can't find anything to kick my X2Hot Pros out of the bag. Has the best turf interaction of any hybrids I've tested, and have the perfect (for me) blend of workability and forgiveness.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:51 PM

The XR line was pretty money.. those clubs are way deeper than any I've hit without sacrificing feel or sound. Just hard to find them these days

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:31 PM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 08 October 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

View Postgetitdaily said:

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate
Apex was first, and is totally unlike the other two. Compact, hence more "workable". Slightly lower launching/spinning head, always a heavy gram weight shaft. They have reminded me of an Adams hybrid from back in the day.

BB Alpha came next. High launching,  mid spin, on the light side. VERY forgiving. Let's face it, this hybrid's design was specifically for joining up with the Big Bertha max game improvement iron.

EPIC came last. I've seen high hdcps use it, and scratch players as well. Feels and acts like the best of BB Alpha, sexier looking than BB Alpha, put with the right shaft can give you a lot of the things better players want to get outta Apex.   (EDIT: IMO overall the EPIC is the best hybrid Callaway has going and it ain't even close)

Kenny - since I'm not a Callaway guy, help me with their hosel. The epic had a draw bias to it but other than that, I liked it a lot. Have you played with the hosel.adjustments enough to kmow for sure whether opening the face a bit will reduce that draw bias?


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:46 PM

For me the Epic is by far the best combination of looks, forgiveness and performance. It's not small like the Apex but doesn't look like a fairway wood either.

I seem to hit it pretty straight and I have a fade bias with most clubs. But as another poster has said it plays pretty long. Might need to lower the loft to fit the gaps.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 02:51 PM

 smokedturkey, on 08 October 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

You forgot the best hybrid of them all:  the XR and can get it discounted.  The XR was before the XR 16 and before the XR OS. Awesome hybrid.  Hits so solid and so straight and long.

Have to agree with this completely.  Added a 7H to the bag and have been pleased so far.  Probably the first hybrid that was easy to draw or fade.  Thinking about replacing the Titleist 913's with these. If I had to put a negative out there it would be the sound.  Very different that the 913's.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 03:07 PM

 cardoustie, on 08 October 2017 - 09:42 PM, said:

I cant believe any hybrid could be better than the Apex

I can't believe any hybrid isn't better then the Apex.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 05:21 PM

 mootrail, on 09 October 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

 cardoustie, on 08 October 2017 - 09:42 PM, said:

I cant believe any hybrid could be better than the Apex

I can't believe any hybrid isn't better then the Apex.

Lol

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 05:37 PM

 getitdaily, on 09 October 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 08 October 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

 getitdaily said:

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate

Kenny - since I'm not a Callaway guy, help me with their hosel. The epic had a draw bias to it but other than that, I liked it a lot. Have you played with the hosel.adjustments enough to know for sure whether opening the face a bit will reduce that draw bias?
in theory the "N" "-1" setting would make an EPIC hybrid about as fade bias as it will get.

edit: quite honestly a heavier, lower torque shaft choice would be just as equally important.

Edited by Kenny Lee Puckett, 09 October 2017 - 05:38 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 09:11 AM

I have the Apex...and I keep asking myself why I ever sold my x hot pro.

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#27 Boognish

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 04:36 PM

Love the Apex, as mentioned above it is a very accurate iron replacement with reliable distance control.  

I've also played the 815, which I liked, but the footprint was a bit large for my taste and spin was a bit low.  Given a choice, I also prefer a non-adjustable hosel.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:21 AM

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 08 October 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

 getitdaily said:

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate
Apex was first, and is totally unlike the other two. Compact, hence more "workable". Slightly lower launching/spinning head, always a heavy gram weight shaft. They have reminded me of an Adams hybrid from back in the day.

BB Alpha came next. High launching,  mid spin, on the light side. VERY forgiving. Let's face it, this hybrid's design was specifically for joining up with the Big Bertha max game improvement iron.

EPIC came last. I've seen high hdcps use it, and scratch players as well. Feels and acts like the best of BB Alpha, sexier looking than BB Alpha, put with the right shaft can give you a lot of the things better players want to get outta Apex.   (EDIT: IMO overall the EPIC is the best hybrid Callaway has going and it ain't even close)

For what it's worth, there was a Big Bertha 2015 hybrid that is basically what you are describing. It was a little bigger and more forgiving than the Alpha 815. I play the 815 and love it. I agree with you that it's pretty forgiving but it's not a Max GI club.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:32 AM

Personally, the Apex is my favorite of the bunch but it's hard to explain why other than I don't tend to balloon it like most other hybrids. It's honestly the first hybrid that has stayed in my bag for an extended time. Usually prefer driving irons.

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#30 Kenny Lee Puckett

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 11:39 AM

 xjohnx, on 12 October 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 08 October 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

 getitdaily said:

Tell me similarities and differences between the Apex, BB alpha, and Epic hybrids...

Easiest to hit
Most accurate
BB Alpha came next. High launching,  mid spin, on the light side. VERY forgiving. Let's face it, this hybrid's design was specifically for joining up with the Big Bertha max game improvement iron.

For what it's worth, there was a Big Bertha 2015 hybrid that is basically what you are describing. It was a little bigger and more forgiving than the Alpha 815. I play the 815 and love it. I agree with you that it's pretty forgiving but it's not a Max GI club.
apologies. I was trying to mention/refer to the Big Bertha OS hybrid. that is their current  hybrid, it accompanies the Big Bertha iron, a max game improvement iron.

edit: and so fwiw the EPIC hybrid has imo replaced BB Alpha. hey, this would all be a lot easier if Callaway didn't release 3-5 different hybrids a year.   :cheesy:

Edited by Kenny Lee Puckett, 12 October 2017 - 12:20 PM.

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