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#61 deadsolid...shank

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 04:50 PM

View PostPowderedToastMan, on 12 October 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

View Postoikos1, on 11 October 2017 - 10:12 PM, said:

View PostSwisstrader98, on 11 October 2017 - 09:58 PM, said:

View PostPowderedToastMan, on 11 October 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

View PostXJared, on 11 October 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

It's just not a high percentage shot, and I've never seen anyone hit it farther than their 3 wood. Almost guaranteed to fade though.
Exactly. The only time I see it useful is for a player who can't hit a low-fading 3 wood. Modern equipment has made the driver off the deck shot essentially obsolete.

Just wrong. Iíve seen guys do it including myself and with consistency. Itís truly one of the best shots on golf

Absolutely.  The only reason someone wouldn't see it as useful is because they can't hit it successfully.  Nothing wrong with that, hit your three wood or whatever, but why not respect the players who have this shot.
It's not the player I don't respect, it's the shot I don't respect. 99% of pros don't ever hit the shot because they can hit that same shot with a 3 wood, 5 wood, 2 iron. It's just not a very versatile or high percentage shot. It used to be a very common shot, but technology has almost made it obsolete.

I've been a professional myself my entire adult life. Handicap is well into the plus range. I can hit driver off the deck, but choose not to, like most other pros, because the shot is a much lower percentage shot than using a different club. The modern 3 wood is built practically the same as an early 1990's driver, and therefore is much better at hitting the shot. The modern driver is designed to be hit in the middle or higher portion of an enormous face, not the very bottom. It's why even the most well-struck driver off the deck with a 460cc head is low, spinny, usually cuts, and goes nowhere.  


That's the exact shot I use it for. A low spinny cut. I also said it's shorter than my three wood. But we there are overhanging branches and OB left with no trouble in front, it's the ideal shot.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:03 PM

View Postferrispgm, on 12 October 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

View Postoikos1, on 12 October 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Golfer A: Just smoked driver off deck to reach green in two.

Golfer B: "You know, you really shouldn't do that."

Golfer A:  "Um, OK."

Golfer A:  Just smoked driver off the deck to reach green in two

Golfer B: "great shot, try it again"

Golfer A:  Driver off deck 50 yards right of green into water or bushes.

Golfer B:  "thought so"

Haha.  So are you also saying if you lose a driver off the tee into water or bushes you should no longer hit driver off the tee?  Don't know why you're so against the idea when the OP clearly stated he was having success.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:05 PM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 October 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

View PostPerseveringGolf, on 12 October 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

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View PostPerseveringGolf, on 12 October 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

cant see more than 1 player per Pro 4 day tournament using it so I think powedertoastman is spot on.

Do you watch every single shot that is hit during that four day tournament?
do you?

Nope. But I'm also not claiming to see only one player in a four day tournament using that shot. That was you.
correct- you are very clever I feel.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:12 PM

View Postoikos1, on 12 October 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

View Postferrispgm, on 12 October 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

View Postoikos1, on 12 October 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Golfer A: Just smoked driver off deck to reach green in two.

Golfer B: "You know, you really shouldn't do that."

Golfer A:  "Um, OK."

Golfer A:  Just smoked driver off the deck to reach green in two

Golfer B: "great shot, try it again"

Golfer A:  Driver off deck 50 yards right of green into water or bushes.

Golfer B:  "thought so"

Haha.  So are you also saying if you lose a driver off the tee into water or bushes you should no longer hit driver off the tee?  Don't know why you're so against the idea when the OP clearly stated he was having success.

No i'm not saying that at all because if i hit  driver into the water off the tee...that is the low percentage shot because I typically hit 11 or so fairways per round...therefore if I tee'd it up again, i would most likely hit something straight or at least serviceable....Hitting a perfectly struck driver off the deck and getting it to fly fairly accurately is also a low percentage shot.....therefore hitting it again would most likely result in a Roy McAvoy moment

I'm not against someone doing it in the most extreme cases if it's within your skill level....but a 10 handicap saying they will work on hitting driver off the deck, or saying "I can do it" will inevitably lead to some big numbers.  It would be like me trying to hit a sweeping draw with my driver....sure it may be handy once in a very great while....but my stock baby fade will work just fine 99.999999% of the time and i would be better off working on putting, or wedges, etc.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:38 PM

View PostPerseveringGolf, on 12 October 2017 - 05:05 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 October 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

View PostPerseveringGolf, on 12 October 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 October 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

View PostPerseveringGolf, on 12 October 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

cant see more than 1 player per Pro 4 day tournament using it so I think powedertoastman is spot on.

Do you watch every single shot that is hit during that four day tournament?
do you?

Nope. But I'm also not claiming to see only one player in a four day tournament using that shot. That was you.
correct- you are very clever I feel.

What's  clever about it? I'm asking you your basis for your statement. Or was it just a stab in the dark because you really don't have any idea how often it happens?


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Posted 12 October 2017 - 05:47 PM

found the morning drive clip:

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 08:59 PM

Funny twist here, but this topic is one of the reasons I didn't like the Cleveland Hibore driver when I was playing it, it had a really rounded off leading edge on the bottom of the face. It was very difficult to get under the ball off of tighter lies because of it.

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Posted 12 October 2017 - 09:19 PM

Tried it at range today. Grass range, f7+. 2/3 came out way better than expected. Hmmm might have to try it on course
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:40 AM

I was advised to hit drivers off the deck as a practice drill by a teacher. We're both old enough to have hit persimmon back in the day. My first impression was, like a number above have stated, that the shot would be much more difficult with modern large headed drivers but I don't think that is true in practice. I expected every shot would be a cold top, but results were pleasantly surprising.

Now, I'm not saying that I've since taken that shot to the course - but if I had to, I think I'd rather tackle it with a modern driver than a  persimmon block. And I'm sure it's not for everyone, but considering the results that the OP logged and posted, it's hard to credit some of the criticism

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 05:00 AM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 October 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

What's  clever about it? I'm asking you your basis for your statement. Or was it just a stab in the dark because you really don't have any idea how often it happens?

why are you so hell bent on getting data evidence? do you just want to be right or prove me wrong?

It's simply a case of using my own experience of decades of watching tournaments both on tv and in person, so I do have an idea! what I dont have is data analyses or audited records to prove a minor discussion point.

If I am wrong sobeit but my flabber will be gasted if its more than once per tournament if at all.

Edited by PerseveringGolf, 13 October 2017 - 05:00 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:25 AM

View PostPerseveringGolf, on 13 October 2017 - 05:00 AM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 October 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

What's  clever about it? I'm asking you your basis for your statement. Or was it just a stab in the dark because you really don't have any idea how often it happens?

why are you so hell bent on getting data evidence? do you just want to be right or prove me wrong?

It's simply a case of using my own experience of decades of watching tournaments both on tv and in person, so I do have an idea! what I dont have is data analyses or audited records to prove a minor discussion point.

If I am wrong sobeit but my flabber will be gasted if its more than once per tournament if at all.

Is see what you did here...concatenated “so be it” to “sobeit” and then broke down “flabbergasted” to “gasted my flabber” or “flabber will be ghasted”:)

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:37 AM

View PostPerseveringGolf, on 13 October 2017 - 05:00 AM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 12 October 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

What's  clever about it? I'm asking you your basis for your statement. Or was it just a stab in the dark because you really don't have any idea how often it happens?

why are you so hell bent on getting data evidence? do you just want to be right or prove me wrong?

It's simply a case of using my own experience of decades of watching tournaments both on tv and in person, so I do have an idea! what I dont have is data analyses or audited records to prove a minor discussion point.

If I am wrong sobeit but my flabber will be gasted if its more than once per tournament if at all.

Thanks.

I never asked for data evidence. I just asked what you were basing your opinion on. That's all. I've watched for decades too and have seen it numerous times. My opinion is that it happens more frequently than you think. But I don't have any evidence either.  

Wasn't trying to piss you off (and in hindsight maybe my first comment to you might have been a bit snarky, aplogies for that), really was trying to establish where you were basing your thoughts from.

Cheers, and here's to hoping your flabber  doesn't get gasted!��

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:41 AM

If a hole has room for a big cut and I'm feeling it that day I'll go for it with driver off the deck.  I have to admit though that I've only pulled off the hero shot a couple of times though.  I can usually get it near the green though.  I've put a few out of play though too.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:21 PM

At least one so far in Italian Open, on telly. Jamie Donaldson 290 yards to 18 inches.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:31 PM

Have done it twice this year when there were perfect conditions.  One was sitting up in the first cut.  It only went about 220 but it was directly into the wind, started about 20 yards left, cut and probably ran 35 yards after hitting the fairway.  It didn't make the green but was right in front.  The 4W would have been 30-40 yards shorter.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 12:46 PM

I like driver off the deck enough that I am thinking of taking the 3-wood out of the bag and adding another wedge. Started hitting the driver off the deck after losing all confidence in my 3-wood. No idea why I developed such a block with my 3-wood but it is real (to me). The driver is also great for when you need a very low stinger to get out of trouble while still advancing the ball a long way. I have had more success with the driver in those situations than a 4-iron.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:01 PM

View PostQEight, on 13 October 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

At least one so far in Italian Open, on telly. Jamie Donaldson 290 yards to 18 inches.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:32 PM

View Postohioglfr, on 06 October 2017 - 09:42 PM, said:

Seems like driver on the fairway was more commonly practiced in the persimmon era.  I remember seeing Arnold Palmer pulling off some amazing stingers from the fairway.

Here is Arnies last approach shot(1:35 in) ever played at bay hill,  totally nutted up and showed the fans why he's a legend.  

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:02 PM

View PostCarvallo Golf, on 06 October 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

My home course has one Par 5 that is uphill and plays predominantly into the wind, 570 yds from back tee.  It has bugged me for the longest time that I have never been able to get down in 2.  So I made an effort to practice the shot on the range and try putting it into play.

I have attempted the driver off the deck 14 times(not all on same hole) this season in play.  Here are my results:

Conclusion, I'm really glad I tried this out and wish I did this years ago.

I couldn't be more pleased with how this has all worked out.

570 yards in two shots? Nice! That's something to bring into the clubhouse with a huge grin on green or not. Congrats!

Yeah, I don't have to "attempt" hitting my driver off the deck. It just does that on its own sometimes.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 11:57 AM

Played this shot twice this weekend and with great results. I just aim 10 yards left and smooth swing.

People who say its a low percentage shot probably dont play the shot all that often so its almost a self fulfilling prophesy. For me, I can pull that shot off just as often or as well as my 3 or 5 wood.


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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:19 PM

View PostRRFireblade, on 09 October 2017 - 07:31 AM, said:

It's just another club, use it when the shot dictates it. For some of us older guys, "Driver" was just your #1 wood and you used it whenever you needed it. Certainly rarer now that the driver has become a full blown clown toy but it's still a fun shot to pull off ever so often.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 02:22 PM

View PostGrayback1973, on 09 October 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

Stupid for average golfers.Heads are way too big these days and it requires an absolutely perfect hit.....and for what?...an extra 20 yards?

Not really. The shot is simply a very good sweep and your only interest is putting the face of the wood on the ball. It doesn't matter how big the wood is as long as you can swing it and put the face on the ball. In some ways, the new Drivers are easier to consider especially as you think back to the bulge and roll of some of those old Drivers.



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 02:59 PM

View PostShambles, on 16 October 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

View PostGrayback1973, on 09 October 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

Stupid for average golfers.Heads are way too big these days and it requires an absolutely perfect hit.....and for what?...an extra 20 yards?

Not really. The shot is simply a very good sweep and your only interest is putting the face of the wood on the ball. It doesn't matter how big the wood is as long as you can swing it and put the face on the ball. In some ways, the new Drivers are easier to consider especially as you think back to the bulge and roll of some of those old Drivers.



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Spot on.  I definitely remember watching/reading somewhere that the shot is easier with the forgiving faces and max COR than the old persimmon/early metalwood days.  Yes, you will strike the ball low on the face, just trust it.


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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:06 PM

View PostShambles, on 16 October 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

View PostGrayback1973, on 09 October 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

Stupid for average golfers.Heads are way too big these days and it requires an absolutely perfect hit.....and for what?...an extra 20 yards?

Not really. The shot is simply a very good sweep and your only interest is putting the face of the wood on the ball. It doesn't matter how big the wood is as long as you can swing it and put the face on the ball. In some ways, the new Drivers are easier to consider especially as you think back to the bulge and roll of some of those old Drivers.



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I don't use the driver for the distance aspect, but mostly for thelow trajectory it offers. Low hanging branches 20 yards in front of you requires ground hugging shot, out comes the driver.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:42 PM

View Posthybrid25, on 16 October 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

View PostShambles, on 16 October 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

View PostGrayback1973, on 09 October 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

Stupid for average golfers.Heads are way too big these days and it requires an absolutely perfect hit.....and for what?...an extra 20 yards?

Not really. The shot is simply a very good sweep and your only interest is putting the face of the wood on the ball. It doesn't matter how big the wood is as long as you can swing it and put the face on the ball. In some ways, the new Drivers are easier to consider especially as you think back to the bulge and roll of some of those old Drivers.



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I don't use the driver for the distance aspect, but mostly for thelow trajectory it offers. Low hanging branches 20 yards in front of you requires ground hugging shot, out comes the driver.

Or just deloft a 4 iron and have 100x the control

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:43 PM

View PostSwisstrader98, on 16 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Played this shot twice this weekend and with great results. I just aim 10 yards left and smooth swing.

People who say its a low percentage shot probably dont play the shot all that often so its almost a self fulfilling prophesy. For me, I can pull that shot off just as often or as well as my 3 or 5 wood.

Yes I don't play it often because it's a stupid shot. You are going to hit 3 wood on average further. It's just not possible to pure a driver off the deck.

Literally a pointless shot. Hit 3 wood further on 95% of shots and 3 wood misses are way better than driver off the deck misses
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17 * 1700 goes really far, but doesn't go very straight or consistent
8* 3500 goes really straight, but doesn't go very far
Answer for most is somewhere in the middle.
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:31 PM

View Postpinhigh27, on 16 October 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

View Posthybrid25, on 16 October 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

View PostShambles, on 16 October 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

View PostGrayback1973, on 09 October 2017 - 08:38 AM, said:

Stupid for average golfers.Heads are way too big these days and it requires an absolutely perfect hit.....and for what?...an extra 20 yards?

Not really. The shot is simply a very good sweep and your only interest is putting the face of the wood on the ball. It doesn't matter how big the wood is as long as you can swing it and put the face on the ball. In some ways, the new Drivers are easier to consider especially as you think back to the bulge and roll of some of those old Drivers.



Shambles
I don't use the driver for the distance aspect, but mostly for thelow trajectory it offers. Low hanging branches 20 yards in front of you requires ground hugging shot, out comes the driver.

Or just deloft a 4 iron and have 100x the control
I dont carry a 4 iron, nor do many other golfers.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:40 PM

View Postpinhigh27, on 16 October 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostSwisstrader98, on 16 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Played this shot twice this weekend and with great results. I just aim 10 yards left and smooth swing.

People who say its a low percentage shot probably dont play the shot all that often so its almost a self fulfilling prophesy. For me, I can pull that shot off just as often or as well as my 3 or 5 wood.

Yes I don't play it often because it's a stupid shot. You are going to hit 3 wood on average further. It's just not possible to pure a driver off the deck.

Literally a pointless shot. Hit 3 wood further on 95% of shots and 3 wood misses are way better than driver off the deck misses

What about when there are overhanging limbs ahead?  Like has been mentioned several times. If I hit 3 wood in that spot I'm hitting branches. Driver stays under them. And I'm much more confident that way than I am delofting an iron. So it may be a pointless shot to you, but it isn't to me. And I am stupid, but the shot itself isn't.
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 06:47 PM

View Postpinhigh27, on 16 October 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostSwisstrader98, on 16 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Played this shot twice this weekend and with great results. I just aim 10 yards left and smooth swing.

People who say its a low percentage shot probably dont play the shot all that often so its almost a self fulfilling prophesy. For me, I can pull that shot off just as often or as well as my 3 or 5 wood.

Yes I don't play it often because it's a stupid shot. You are going to hit 3 wood on average further. It's just not possible to pure a driver off the deck.

Literally a pointless shot. Hit 3 wood further on 95% of shots and 3 wood misses are way better than driver off the deck misses

It's not a stupid shot if you can pull it off and it works. Open your mind up a tad and don't be so condescending, it's a game.
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 08:37 PM

View Postpinhigh27, on 16 October 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostSwisstrader98, on 16 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Played this shot twice this weekend and with great results. I just aim 10 yards left and smooth swing.

People who say its a low percentage shot probably dont play the shot all that often so its almost a self fulfilling prophesy. For me, I can pull that shot off just as often or as well as my 3 or 5 wood.

Yes I don't play it often because it's a stupid shot. You are going to hit 3 wood on average further. It's just not possible to pure a driver off the deck.

Literally a pointless shot. Hit 3 wood further on 95% of shots and 3 wood misses are way better than driver off the deck misses

This x 1000000000!!!!!
Pin is a player and a long baller to boot. He also has his ego in check. If anyone could hit this shot its him, but he knows 3 wood is a better option and doesn't let his ego get in the way. Way too much ego from lesser players in these neck of the woods in my opinion.

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