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New Callaway Driver/Woods: ROGUE (pic added page 9)

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic has been rumoured, down from $659.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 08:26 AM

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic as been rumoured, down from $659.

Thanks for the info.  I really thought Cally would release a V2 of the Epic in the spring.  I guess we will have to wait another year for that..

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:07 AM

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic has been rumoured, down from $659.

I'm a little confused by your post. You say the new Rogue will be less than the Epic but also a rumored significant drop in price for Epic? That doesn't line up quite right. And do you mean $100 less than Epic or someone really told you it would be $10 less? That also makes no sense.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:13 AM

Will the Rogue come in 13.5* ?
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 09:40 AM

 xjohnx, on 13 November 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic has been rumoured, down from $659.

I'm a little confused by your post. You say the new Rogue will be less than the Epic but also a rumored significant drop in price for Epic? That doesn't line up quite right. And do you mean $100 less than Epic or someone really told you it would be $10 less? That also makes no sense.

Nope. Rogue will be more expensive. $100 more than a Epic. Epic will drop in price though.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 11:35 AM

 JDSPGA, on 13 November 2017 - 09:40 AM, said:

 xjohnx, on 13 November 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic has been rumoured, down from $659.

I'm a little confused by your post. You say the new Rogue will be less than the Epic but also a rumored significant drop in price for Epic? That doesn't line up quite right. And do you mean $100 less than Epic or someone really told you it would be $10 less? That also makes no sense.

Nope. Rogue will be more expensive. $100 more than a Epic. Epic will drop in price though.
That sounds better.   Drop the Epic, then the Rogue comes in at the previous Epic price.   Tired of new drivers going up another $50-$100 a season.  Pricing some right out of the new driver market.
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:49 PM

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:02 PM

 Jdavenp3, on 12 November 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

 slicktry, on 11 November 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

 Scooter55, on 11 November 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

"Bit confused as the guy who posted the other thread was confident that it was called ''Omega" and had photos. Maybe that was a prototype?

Rogue seems like a very weird choice of name given the shafts of the same name.

Either way, the name isn't too important. It could be called "Hobgoblin" and I'd probably still buy one. "

Wow!   Honestly,  if Callaway comes out with a driver name the "Hobgoblin" x18 Sub Hero ... I'm F-in buying 2 !

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 03:04 PM

 chadillac65, on 13 November 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Smooth

look at the nuts on this guy! How is the sound and feel of the Rogue SZ compared to the Epic SZ? similar, muted, firmer?
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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:00 PM

That pic is a few weeks old. Nothing new here.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 04:47 PM

 xjohnx, on 13 November 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic has been rumoured, down from $659.

I'm a little confused by your post. You say the new Rogue will be less than the Epic but also a rumored significant drop in price for Epic? That doesn't line up quite right. And do you mean $100 less than Epic or someone really told you it would be $10 less? That also makes no sense.

That is what our rep told me.  10+ years with Callaway Canada. He did not confirm a lower price for the Epic. So, if the Epic drops to $500 Can, the Rogue would be $490 Can. which makes no sense to me as well.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:10 PM

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

 xjohnx, on 13 November 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic has been rumoured, down from $659.

I'm a little confused by your post. You say the new Rogue will be less than the Epic but also a rumored significant drop in price for Epic? That doesn't line up quite right. And do you mean $100 less than Epic or someone really told you it would be $10 less? That also makes no sense.

That is what our rep told me.  10+ years with Callaway Canada. He did not confirm a lower price for the Epic. So, if the Epic drops to $500 Can, the Rogue would be $490 Can. which makes no sense to me as well.

Sounds like in addition to working for Callaway, your rep has been smoking meth for 10+ years. Joking aside, That's literally impossible or at least, the worst pricing strategy in golf business history. Glad we all agree it makes no sense.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 10:33 PM

Will the Epic SZ be discontinued once the Rouge is released?

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:35 AM

 TheMoneyShot, on 13 November 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

Will the Epic SZ be discontinued once the Rouge is released?

No.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:01 PM

I remember when Epic first came out and there was a lot of talk about the fact that there is no jailbreak incorporated into the fairways and hybrids. A lot of people (myself included) were of the opinion that with such a smaller clubhead, there is little to no distortion created in the crown/head compared to a driver, therefore creating a negligible change in ball speed, forgiveness etc. Basically, the same tech just isn't needed in the fairways and just doesn't really do anything. Now fast forward 6 months and everyone is drooling and thanking the golf gods that they have jailbreak in the fairways. So where does the opinion lie now? Interested to hear others' thoughts on this.


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:41 PM

^ one explanation I’ve heard is that the Rogue fairway will be deeper than the Epic allowing gains with the Jsilbreak tech
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:51 PM

 xjohnx, on 13 November 2017 - 05:10 PM, said:

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

 xjohnx, on 13 November 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

 rgk5, on 13 November 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Our Callaway rep was in last week and told me the Rogue will be priced at $10 less than the Epic.  The weights are fixed and there will be a Draw, "Regular"  and SZ model.  The pricing seems a little silly. Canadian prices are unknown at this time but $500 for the Epic has been rumoured, down from $659.

I'm a little confused by your post. You say the new Rogue will be less than the Epic but also a rumored significant drop in price for Epic? That doesn't line up quite right. And do you mean $100 less than Epic or someone really told you it would be $10 less? That also makes no sense.

That is what our rep told me.  10+ years with Callaway Canada. He did not confirm a lower price for the Epic. So, if the Epic drops to $500 Can, the Rogue would be $490 Can. which makes no sense to me as well.

Sounds like in addition to working for Callaway, your rep has been smoking meth for 10+ years. Joking aside, That's literally impossible or at least, the worst pricing strategy in golf business history. Glad we all agree it makes no sense.

Going to go with logic here and say the EPIC is probably dropping to $499.00 cdn and the Rogue will be $589.99

If the Rogue was $489.99 and not a watered down model then say good bye to new EPIC sales.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 04:53 PM

 xjohnx, on 14 November 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

I remember when Epic first came out and there was a lot of talk about the fact that there is no jailbreak incorporated into the fairways and hybrids. A lot of people (myself included) were of the opinion that with such a smaller clubhead, there is little to no distortion created in the crown/head compared to a driver, therefore creating a negligible change in ball speed, forgiveness etc. Basically, the same tech just isn't needed in the fairways and just doesn't really do anything. Now fast forward 6 months and everyone is drooling and thanking the golf gods that they have jailbreak in the fairways. So where does the opinion lie now? Interested to hear others' thoughts on this.
At the time of the Epic I thought that there probably is a way and that they might save it for the next release.

Turns out that is what they are doing as it no doubt gives them something to market. Will it perform better than other fairways? I doubt it. The gains in the driver due to jailbreak are marginal at best.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 05:14 PM

 Gary Gutful, on 14 November 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

 xjohnx, on 14 November 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

I remember when Epic first came out and there was a lot of talk about the fact that there is no jailbreak incorporated into the fairways and hybrids. A lot of people (myself included) were of the opinion that with such a smaller clubhead, there is little to no distortion created in the crown/head compared to a driver, therefore creating a negligible change in ball speed, forgiveness etc. Basically, the same tech just isn't needed in the fairways and just doesn't really do anything. Now fast forward 6 months and everyone is drooling and thanking the golf gods that they have jailbreak in the fairways. So where does the opinion lie now? Interested to hear others' thoughts on this.
At the time of the Epic I thought that there probably is a way and that they might save it for the next release.

Turns out that is what they are doing as it no doubt gives them something to market. Will it perform better than other fairways? I doubt it. The gains in the driver due to jailbreak are marginal at best.

... I can only speak for myself, and cannot attribute 100% of my increase to jailbreak, but after years of reviewing and playing a new driver every season and only getting a yardage increase from the SLDR, the Epic was a pretty significant increase for me. Probably the same distance as my SLDR when I hit it perfectly but it was pretty finicky for me and I never had complete confidence in it. Moved to  Fly Z that gave me equal distance on normal hits but not as long as my longest with the SLDR but it was waaaaay more consistent. The Epic gave me almost the consistency and forgiveness of the Fly Z with 5-10 more yards. Same Rogue Black 110 Tour shaft so it was definitely the Epic head, although again I don't now how much was from Jailbreak tech. I have never been a Callaway fan and other than the original Big Bertha, I have never played any Cally clubs so switching to the Epic was a pretty big change for me.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:00 PM

IIRC, I thought it was Callaway that said jailbreak was unnecessary in fairway woods and hybrids.  I guess they have refined their tech for this release.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 06:04 PM

 rgk5, on 14 November 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

 TheMoneyShot, on 13 November 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

Will the Epic SZ be discontinued once the Rouge is released?

No.

That’s good to know.

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Posted 14 November 2017 - 08:54 PM

 noodle3872, on 14 November 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

IIRC, I thought it was Callaway that said jailbreak was unnecessary in fairway woods and hybrids.  I guess they have refined their tech for this release.

I thought I heard/read that too. I’m sure they’ll find a way to convince us that’s they’ve made remarkable new discoveries since then but, I also think there’s a good chance it’s vanity tech to piggyback on to the success from jailbreak in its first iteration. And I’m a Callaway “guy”.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 08:21 AM

 xjohnx, on 14 November 2017 - 04:01 PM, said:

I remember when Epic first came out and there was a lot of talk about the fact that there is no jailbreak incorporated into the fairways and hybrids. A lot of people (myself included) were of the opinion that with such a smaller clubhead, there is little to no distortion created in the crown/head compared to a driver, therefore creating a negligible change in ball speed, forgiveness etc. Basically, the same tech just isn't needed in the fairways and just doesn't really do anything. Now fast forward 6 months and everyone is drooling and thanking the golf gods that they have jailbreak in the fairways. So where does the opinion lie now? Interested to hear others' thoughts on this.

I'll have to hit it to know for sure if it works but this whole lineup reeks of TM marketing.  TM is notorious for making a driver with tech and then introducing it into a fwy for the following cycle.  SLDR driver had moving weight, SLDR fwy did not.  R15 driver had 2 moving weights, R15 fwy had one.  M1 driver had one heavy sliding weight, M1 fwy had 2 light moving weights.  M1 2017 has composite on the bottom, M1 2017 has smaller composite than last year but a heavier weight.  Go figure.

I just feel like Callaway is dangerously close to where they were back in Razr X/Diablo dark days.  Where they were just throwing stuff at the wall hoping something would stick.  They struck gold with the Apex CF stuff and the Epic line.  I just feel like they torpedo some lines far too early when it isn't an instantaneous success.  XR was/is a solid product that they got 2 full seasons out of.  Steelhead they're barely going to get a season out of, with Steelhead fwy being killed within 6 months.  

I feel really old saying this, but I wish manufacturers would take some time to make meaningful improvements to a line and give the consumer some time to warrant a change.  Not very many buy a new driver every year, but I know a fair bit of people who get antsy after 2-3 seasons with a club and are itching for a change.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:35 AM

The Rogue will be the exact same price as the Epic.
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 10:38 AM

 noodle3872, on 14 November 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:

IIRC, I thought it was Callaway that said jailbreak was unnecessary in fairway woods and hybrids.  I guess they have refined their tech for this release.

I think Jailbreak in the fairways and hybrids adds ball speed especially on off center hits, but it also adds weight.  That is why the Rogue fairways and hybrids have glued non adjustable hosels.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 12:57 PM

any info on a rogue hybrid? i need a new hybrid and not sure if i should try out an epic or wait for a rogue? who has an epic hybrid that they can give info on
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:46 PM

 hurricanes7, on 15 November 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

any info on a rogue hybrid? i need a new hybrid and not sure if i should try out an epic or wait for a rogue? who has an epic hybrid that they can give info on
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Posted 15 November 2017 - 07:50 PM

 tbone18, on 15 November 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

 hurricanes7, on 15 November 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

any info on a rogue hybrid? i need a new hybrid and not sure if i should try out an epic or wait for a rogue? who has an epic hybrid that they can give info on
I have 2 Epic hybrids. 3 and 4.  I have tried almost all of the current adjustable and past hybrids and the Epic is very forgiving and the longest hybrids of the bunch. I have diamana white D+ 90 hybrid shafts in them. This combo gives me mid ball flight and workable either way.

I totally agree!  The Epic hybrid has been the best hybrid I have played in a long time.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 09:45 PM

 UnderPar18, on 12 November 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

Can't wait to see the fairway woods. If they have jailbreak tech in them and are shaped nicely I will surely have to give them a look. The technology I thought was a load of BS really blew me away this year.

Jailbreak will be indeed included in this years Rogue Fairway Woods. Shape is similar to this years Epic.

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Posted 15 November 2017 - 09:47 PM

With regards to price. The Rogue, when released... Will be $10 lower than Epic. However, our Rep said to see a price drop on the Epic stuff before golf season. Take into account. I'm from Canada. Not sure if it'll be same for you guys in good ol' America!

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