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Leishman's wife criticizes fan behavior at Prez Cup


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#31 Gnomesteel

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:33 AM

The Masters has already figured this out and they serve plenty of beer. No tolerance for that type of behavior. Everyone there knows if you act like a fool they'll kick you out in a heartbeat.


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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:40 AM

View Postjmck, on 06 October 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

Please Dude, Cupcakes is not the preferred nomenclature.  It's Snowflake-Americans, Dude.


They could hire WS as a marshal ; )


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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:50 AM

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.


Dude I'm with you on most points. Or at least I try to follow your train of thought.  , but put yourself in the place of fans with young kids.  

  Say you take your favorite very young lady to an event and you have to wade through  drunks to get close enough to get a sight of a player , all the while dodging language , sloshed beers and general behavior that would get you a drunk and disorderly out on the street pretty quick.     Would  you be ok with it ? Or would it make you mad eventually ?  Your holding her hand or carrying on your shoulder while she's wide eyed at the sights and sounds and having to confront this.     I've done it with a 6 year old and now 9 year old.   And it infuriates me to the point that I just cannot do it anymore.  I know myself and It's a matter of time before one crosses a line and I get Locked up.      

There should absolutely be a drinking section segregated from the rest of the patrons.  Maybe a right side left side of the fairway thing.  Put the drunks on the  right.  Lol.
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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:50 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

View PostClintDagger, on 06 October 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

I like the rowdy atmosphere.  But you have to draw the line at distracting the other side while they are at play, and saying anything offensive such as personal insults or racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etcetera type statements.  I think we all know that these fans aren't on their best behavior as a group.  Did this group behave excessively bad in comparison to other crowds? It didn't seem like it to me but who knows.

And let's not forget how embarrassing this was for their side.  There has to be a lot of frustration and sour grapes coming out here as well.  That's just human nature.


As to the question aboot these fans vs other Ryder cup etc fans.  I don't know the answer. But look at where it was and I bet you can guess that they were pretty " outspoken".  And I'll leave it at that
Northeast sports fans do have a rep.  But I will say this, in many RCs held in the US you will notice players from the Euro side backing off of shots and chiding the fans at times for poor behavior.  I don't recall that happening one time in this event.  The only thing remotely in that category was Spieth stopping the moving ball on Saturday because fans were mockingly chanting "go, go, go".  It's possible I just missed something.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:51 AM

View PostGnomesteel, on 06 October 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

The Masters has already figured this out and they serve plenty of beer. No tolerance for that type of behavior. Everyone there knows if you act like a fool they'll kick you out in a heartbeat.


Exactly. And if every event suddenly followed that policy and stuck to it. Guess what ?  They would sell more tickets instantly.  And the drunks would still show up , they would just act right or gtfo. !

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:54 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostGnomesteel, on 06 October 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

The Masters has already figured this out and they serve plenty of beer. No tolerance for that type of behavior. Everyone there knows if you act like a fool they'll kick you out in a heartbeat.


Exactly. And if every event suddenly followed that policy and stuck to it. Guess what ?  They would sell more tickets instantly.  And the drunks would still show up , they would just act right or gtfo. !

Agreed.

It's a chicken sh*! move probably to avoid accidentally booting someone important aka connected to the sponsors.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:57 AM

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.

Yeah! How dare other spectators get offended by a bunch of man-child US fans acting like complete bellends whilst hammered on watered-down beer. Right? It's just not fair, and really spoils their fun.

My personal recommendation would be that anyone applying for tickets to a PGA Tour event in future should have to complete a mandatory "Sensitivity Questionnaire". Anyone scoring 10 or above will be deemed to be a "cupcake / snowflake" and would therefore have their application for tickets automatically declined. They would also be blacklisted and banned from applying for any such tickets in future.

That way the everyone can enjoy the show without having to worry about the PC Brigade getting all hot under the collar just because the salt-of-the-earth types are having a good time and treating everyone to their cutting-edge, alcohol-fuelled repartee.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 10:57 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.


Dude I'm with you on most points. Or at least I try to follow your train of thought.  , but put yourself in the place of fans with young kids.  

  Say you take your favorite very young lady to an event and you have to wade through  drunks to get close enough to get a sight of a player , all the while dodging language , sloshed beers and general behavior that would get you a drunk and disorderly out on the street pretty quick. Would  you be ok with it ? Or would it make you mad eventually ?  Your holding her hand or carrying on your shoulder while she's wide eyed at the sights and sounds and having to confront this. I've done it with a 6 year old and now 9 year old.   And it infuriates me to the point that I just cannot do it anymore.  I know myself and It's a matter of time before one crosses a line and I get Locked up.   

There should absolutely be a drinking section segregated from the rest of the patrons.  Maybe a right side left side of the fairway thing.  Put the drunks on the  right.  Lol.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:00 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

View PostGnomesteel, on 06 October 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

The Masters has already figured this out and they serve plenty of beer. No tolerance for that type of behavior. Everyone there knows if you act like a fool they'll kick you out in a heartbeat.


Exactly. And if every event suddenly followed that policy and stuck to it. Guess what ?  They would sell more tickets instantly.  And the drunks would still show up , they would just act right or gtfo. !

I've only been to The Masters twice. One day in 2014 and 2015. Saw one guy yell out "Mashed Potatoes!!" and security was around him in a heartbeat. Poor guy probably didn't know that they don't just kick you out, but they ban you for life. Idiot.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:02 AM

View PostMrWolf, on 06 October 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.

Yeah! How dare other spectators get offended by a bunch of man-child US fans acting like complete bellends whilst hammered on watered-down beer. Right? It's just not fair, and really spoils their fun.

My personal recommendation would be that anyone applying for tickets to a PGA Tour event in future should have to complete a mandatory "Sensitivity Questionnaire". Anyone scoring 10 or above will be deemed to be a "cupcake / snowflake" and would therefore have their application for tickets automatically declined. They would also be blacklisted and banned from applying for any such tickets in future.

That way the everyone can enjoy the show without having to worry about the PC Brigade getting all hot under the collar just because the salt-of-the-earth types are having a good time and treating everyone to their cutting-edge, alcohol-fuelled repartee.


That's a great point too. Lol. They are hammered on bud light and mich ultra.  As close to Detroit tap water as any beer could ever be .

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:04 AM

Thing is, it's totally possible to enjoy several beers without acting like an idiot.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:12 AM

View PostGnomesteel, on 06 October 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

Thing is, it's totally possible to enjoy several beers without acting like an idiot.

I agree. And I think that's the point.  The tour or event hosts aren't making people act at least to the standard of a city sidewalk.   If it's illegal to do something there it should be at a sporting event too.  People act like wild dogs because they are allowed to.  Not because they must to have a good time.
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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:26 AM

View PostGnomesteel, on 06 October 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

Thing is, it's totally possible to enjoy several beers without acting like an idiot.

Some would suggest that imbibing to excess, or near enough, is a legitimate reason to act like an idiot. This isn't a "PC" thing, it's about some people's boorish behavior. However, the PC crowd would suggest that criticizing those who behave in such a manner is racist or some such nonsense.
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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:41 AM

It's all about entitled behavior, their upbringing, mob mentality and no accountability.
Recently a family went to Great America outside Chicago for "Fright Night"
A group of teens were belligerent and swearing while the family waited in line for a ride with their 12yo.
The couple asked them to stop swearing around their 12 yo.
One guy cold-cocked the kid and then the "mob" proceeded to beat the crap out of the two parents.
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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:54 AM

I love how boorish, immature, and inappropriate conduct at a sporting event is an American-only thing. It feels like noone has even seen a football match overseas. Sure, some US fans act like idiots but it isn't like they've got a monopoly on it.


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Posted 06 October 2017 - 11:59 AM

To these dregs of society it's perfectly acceptable to get wasted, act like fools and use foul language around children.

It helps them to feel at home and reminisce about their own upbringing.  


We oversensitive people.............yeah, that's right, our parents got it all wrong.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:06 PM

View PostFerguson, on 06 October 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

To these dregs of society it's perfectly acceptable to get wasted, act like fools and use foul language around children.

It helps them to feel at home and reminisce about their own upbringing.  


We oversensitive people.............yeah, that's right, our parents got it all wrong.

If they smoked weed instead of drinking at the events, they would be chill, friendly and not yelling babooey.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:15 PM

And they would make a fortune on the food concessions.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:18 PM

View Postchippa13, on 06 October 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

And they would make a fortune on the food concessions.

Be on of these on every hole

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:24 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.


Dude I'm with you on most points. Or at least I try to follow your train of thought.  , but put yourself in the place of fans with young kids.  

  Say you take your favorite very young lady to an event and you have to wade through  drunks to get close enough to get a sight of a player , all the while dodging language , sloshed beers and general behavior that would get you a drunk and disorderly out on the street pretty quick. Would  you be ok with it ? Or would it make you mad eventually ?  Your holding her hand or carrying on your shoulder while she's wide eyed at the sights and sounds and having to confront this. I've done it with a 6 year old and now 9 year old.   And it infuriates me to the point that I just cannot do it anymore.  I know myself and It's a matter of time before one crosses a line and I get Locked up.   

There should absolutely be a drinking section segregated from the rest of the patrons.  Maybe a right side left side of the fairway thing.  Put the drunks on the  right.  Lol.

I don't know where to even start with this! I didn't realize you were into abstract art. You must be because the picture you're painting is even worse than that of chief cupcake Mrs, Leishman. So first the only wide eyed 6 year old at a golf tournament is one looking for a pony somewhere in the distance. I mean you can't go blaming a bunch of happy drunken college kids at an adult oriented sporting event for spoiling the tender daddy and child moment you were apparently hoping for. Now, that's not to say that I disagree that more enforcement of truly out of control drunks may be in order. I just don't think that even the most idiotic, loud and boisterous "MASHED POTATOES!" yeller meets that standard. Being annoyed with F bombers who've had a few pops is understandable. It's totally unpleasant when your with your kid, but don't make it sound like you're Viggo Mortenson in "the road" trying to save your child from the clutches of a gang of post apocalyptic marauders. It's a golf tournament not the end of days.

Which brings me to my next point about Mrs. Leishmans criticism. American fans cheering for poor shots by team cupcake. Because that's "not the golf she knows." Unfortunately it took her this long to figure that out. These competitions are totally unlike any other at that level of the game. In any regular event on tour, people go to watch good golf, as we get to the weekend we start finding a guy or two to root for, But in our hearts and minds, we don't really care. If someone else shoots a Sunday back 9 30 to take it away from "our guy" then even better. We saw great golf. And next week we do the same thing. While we all have our favorites, golf fandom is mostly about the game, and not the competitors (Tiger sycophants not withstanding) In these cup competitions, that dynamic has changed completely. The fans have a rooting interest that won't be swayed by late heroics. In the mind of both teams fans, it's us verses them. So this notion that being happy over balls in the water or a chunked chip shot from the opposition is somehow poor sportsmanship on the fans part is absurd.  It's akin to saying "when watching your favorite NFL team, please do not cheer when the other team fumbles in the red zone".  The nature of the event draws those clear lines. The argument can't be "well this is golf, therefore please suspend your humanity"

While i detest the screamers and rowdy drunks (at any venue, golf or otherwise). I far prefer it to the alternative. A bunch of prim, uptight, zombies.  Offering polite golf claps for "us" and sincere  "awwwww's" issued in unison by this awful, uninspired collective of sedate ninny's when an opponent fails. I mean I'd much rather watch the fans go crazy when Rory drains a 50 footer and holds a hand up to his ear, or Patrick Reed takes a bow when he answers, then watch the fans sit still and politely clap as Rory looks on apologetically after making that putt. Don't cheer the other teams failure? That is ridiculous.

I don't doubt Mrs. leishman's experience was a bad one. But surely that was in part  because she was unprepared for "Us against them" somehow. And does anyone doubt that by noon or so on Saturday she was was feeling the suffocating humiliation the hubster and his mates were suffering? If it was all tied up after Saturday, she may well have characterized half of what offended her delicate sensibilities as "total intensity!"

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:24 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 06 October 2017 - 12:18 PM, said:

View Postchippa13, on 06 October 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

And they would make a fortune on the food concessions.

Be on of these on every hole

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:25 PM

View Postchippa13, on 06 October 2017 - 11:54 AM, said:

I love how boorish, immature, and inappropriate conduct at a sporting event is an American-only thing. It feels like noone has even seen a football match overseas. Sure, some US fans act like idiots but it isn't like they've got a monopoly on it.

This is spot on, if you think this is only an American thing your full of crap. Now I don't agree with some of the things said or done for sure, but this is far from an American only attitude.
Here are a few examples:
1. Champions League match, the night before the match the fans lite a car on fire outside the hotel of the visiting team. They stand around the burning car yelling and singing trying to keep the opposing team from getting sleep the night before the game.
2. EUFA cup match in London, 10,000 plus opposing fans block the entrance of the stadium trying to keep home fans from entering, game was delayed over an hour.
3. Players in soccer matches routinely hit with objects
4. fares and fires started in stadium
I'm all for us changing this to more of the Masters type atmosphere, where people acting over the top get removed. But let's don't pretend that it's just us dirty Americans
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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:31 PM

View PostWarrick, on 06 October 2017 - 04:48 AM, said:

most of this is stupid, wasted, Americans who think they bought a ticket to a war.

So many alcohol infuse blow hards, who think others think they are cool for treating people like dogsh!t.

I was f'ing embarrassed watching the Ryder Cup.  Is that how you treat people?  That is not patriotic.

The sense of entitlement some people have these days is disturbing.

Right....those well behaved "euros" could teach us a thing or 2...

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:31 PM

I like to drink, have a good time and wear my hat backwards daily. But I'm not anywhere near the level of these fools, it's gotten pretty out of hand to a point where I don't think they can stop it.

A very simple solution to start would be enforcing a drink limit per every ticket sold, lets say 3 drinks. Have a scanning system, so if the patron buys a beer, they scan the ticket and it can show how many alcoholic drinks remain for that ticket. It wouldn't be perfect but at least a start. People generally hold onto their tickets so you wouldn't have a lot of people finding them or lending them. You are gonna get the occasional problem, but you just kick them out. Easy

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:32 PM

Generation snowflake...


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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:32 PM

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.


Dude I'm with you on most points. Or at least I try to follow your train of thought.  , but put yourself in the place of fans with young kids.  

  Say you take your favorite very young lady to an event and you have to wade through  drunks to get close enough to get a sight of a player , all the while dodging language , sloshed beers and general behavior that would get you a drunk and disorderly out on the street pretty quick.     Would  you be ok with it ? Or would it make you mad eventually ?  Your holding her hand or carrying on your shoulder while she's wide eyed at the sights and sounds and having to confront this.     I've done it with a 6 year old and now 9 year old.   And it infuriates me to the point that I just cannot do it anymore.  I know myself and It's a matter of time before one crosses a line and I get Locked up.      

There should absolutely be a drinking section segregated from the rest of the patrons.  Maybe a right side left side of the fairway thing.  Put the drunks on the  right.  Lol.

I don't know where to even start with this! I didn't realize you were into abstract art. You must be because the picture you're painting is even worse than that of chief cupcake Mrs, Leishman. So first the only wide eyed 6 year old at a golf tournament is one looking for a pony somewhere in the distance. I mean you can't go blaming a bunch of happy drunken college kids at an adult oriented sporting event for spoiling the tender daddy and child moment you were apparently hoping for. Now, that's not to say that I disagree that more enforcement of truly out of control drunks may be in order. I just don't think that even the most idiotic, loud and boisterous "MASHED POTATOES!" yeller meets that standard. Being annoyed with F bombers who've had a few pops is understandable. It's totally unpleasent when your with your kid, but don't make it sound like you're Viggo Mortenson in "the road" trying to save your child from the clutches from a gang of post apocalyptic marauders. It's a golf tournament not the end of days.

Which brings me to my next point about Mrs. Leishmans criticism. American fans cheering for poor shots by team cupcake. Because that's "not the golf she knows." Unfortunately it took her this long to figure that out. These competitions are totally unlike any other at that level of the game. In any regular event on tour, people go to watch good golf, as we get to the weekend we start finding a guy or two to root for, But in our hearts and minds, we don't really care. If someone else shoots a Sunday back 9 30 to take it away from "our guy" then even better. We saw great golf. And next week we do the same thing. While we all have our favorites, golf fandom is mostly about the game, and not the competitors (Tiger sycophants not withstanding) In these cup competitions, that dynamic has changed completely. The fans have a rooting interest that won't be swayed by late heroics. In the mind of both teams fans, it's us verses them. So this notion that being happy over balls in the water or a chunked chip shot from the opposition is somehow poor sportsmanship on the fans part is absurd.  It's akin to saying "when watching your favorite NFL team, please do not cheer when the other team fumbles in the red zone".  The nature of the event draws those clear lines. The argument can't be "well this is golf, therefore please suspend your humanity"

While i detest the screamers and rowdy drunks (at any venue, golf or otherwise). I far prefer it to the alternative. A bunch of prim, uptight, zombies.  Offering polite golf claps for "us" and sincere  "awwwww's" issued in unison by this awful, uninspired collective of sedate ninny's when an opponent fails. I mean I'd much rather watch the fans go crazy when Rory drains a 50 footer and holds a hand up to his ear, or Patrick Reed takes a bow when he answers, then watch the fans sit still and politely clap as Rory looks on apologetically after making that putt. Don't cheer the other teams failure? That is ridiculous.

I don't doubt Mrs. leishman's experience was a bad one. But surely that was in part  because she was unprepared for "Us against them" somehow. And does anyone doubt that by noon or so on Saturday she was was feeling the suffocating humiliation the hubster and his mates were suffering? If it was all tied up after Saturday, she may well have characterized half of what offended her delicate sensibilities as "total intensity!"


Lol. You never disappoint !  Unfortunately I've seen you play your softie card here.  So I know you have it In you.  

As to the point.   Sure. I paint a very bad scene.  But mine isn't as far from reality at times as yours.  You make it sound like it's 4 frat boys that you can just ignore.   It's not.  It's a sea of them.  And even worse. Some are 45-60.  A kid acting like  an idiot is much more tolerable than a person near retirement age acting as  if he's 19 and on his first shore leave.  

     Again I say. Get drunk and go stand on a street corner and yell at passing cars or passing people on the sidewalk.  Bet you don't last 30 minutes before you get picked up.   Same should apply at any public place. Including a golf tournament.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:32 PM

I have to say, I am shocked--shocked I tell you!--that it turns out KYMER is the one guy in the world who gives a crap about the President's Cup.  

I did not see that coming.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:37 PM

If this is considered a serious problem there is only one solution, no fans.

Since everyone under 40 supposedly wants to see a shortened version of everything on their Android or IPhone or sit in their house all day and watch TV there is no reason to have fans at events. Put up advertising where the gallery stands or sits, have a gazillion cameras and drones over, through, and above the course so people can see whatever they want to see from wherever they want to see it.

Then all you need are security assets on the perimeter of the course to keep everyone out, a few on-course reporters, a few technicians for the broadcast/streaming and a few guys in a studio off the course to commentate. Add in the players, caddies, captains, one or two rules officials and problem solved. Saves $$$$$ and hassles, and as long as you don't mike the players or try to listen in on their conversations you have a sterile place where the competetion can go on unhindered.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:40 PM

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.

Im old enough to remember several ryder cups in europe namely 97 in valderama where fans verbally abused the americans and their wives, spun their umbrellas when americans hit their approach shots and so on...Then 99 came around and the brookline crowd gave it back to them and then some and they couldnt hande it. its called home field advantage for a reason. it happens once a year and you should expect hostility.As you said if the internationals won you wouldnt hear anything about it. Sour grapes

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:44 PM

View Postjmck, on 06 October 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

I have to say, I am shocked--shocked I tell you!--that it turns out KYMER is the one guy in the world who gives a crap about the President's Cup.  

I did not see that coming.

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 06 October 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

View PostKYMAR, on 06 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

lol what a bunch of overly sensitive cupcakes.


Dude I'm with you on most points. Or at least I try to follow your train of thought.  , but put yourself in the place of fans with young kids.  

  Say you take your favorite very young lady to an event and you have to wade through  drunks to get close enough to get a sight of a player , all the while dodging language , sloshed beers and general behavior that would get you a drunk and disorderly out on the street pretty quick. Would  you be ok with it ? Or would it make you mad eventually ?  Your holding her hand or carrying on your shoulder while she's wide eyed at the sights and sounds and having to confront this. I've done it with a 6 year old and now 9 year old.   And it infuriates me to the point that I just cannot do it anymore.  I know myself and It's a matter of time before one crosses a line and I get Locked up.   

There should absolutely be a drinking section segregated from the rest of the patrons.  Maybe a right side left side of the fairway thing.  Put the drunks on the  right.  Lol.

I don't know where to even start with this! I didn't realize you were into abstract art. You must be because the picture you're painting is even worse than that of chief cupcake Mrs, Leishman. So first the only wide eyed 6 year old at a golf tournament is one looking for a pony somewhere in the distance. I mean you can't go blaming a bunch of happy drunken college kids at an adult oriented sporting event for spoiling the tender daddy and child moment you were apparently hoping for. Now, that's not to say that I disagree that more enforcement of truly out of control drunks may be in order. I just don't think that even the most idiotic, loud and boisterous "MASHED POTATOES!" yeller meets that standard. Being annoyed with F bombers who've had a few pops is understandable. It's totally unpleasent when your with your kid, but don't make it sound like you're Viggo Mortenson in "the road" trying to save your child from the clutches from a gang of post apocalyptic marauders. It's a golf tournament not the end of days.

Which brings me to my next point about Mrs. Leishmans criticism. American fans cheering for poor shots by team cupcake. Because that's "not the golf she knows." Unfortunately it took her this long to figure that out. These competitions are totally unlike any other at that level of the game. In any regular event on tour, people go to watch good golf, as we get to the weekend we start finding a guy or two to root for, But in our hearts and minds, we don't really care. If someone else shoots a Sunday back 9 30 to take it away from "our guy" then even better. We saw great golf. And next week we do the same thing. While we all have our favorites, golf fandom is mostly about the game, and not the competitors (Tiger sycophants not withstanding) In these cup competitions, that dynamic has changed completely. The fans have a rooting interest that won't be swayed by late heroics. In the mind of both teams fans, it's us verses them. So this notion that being happy over balls in the water or a chunked chip shot from the opposition is somehow poor sportsmanship on the fans part is absurd.  It's akin to saying "when watching your favorite NFL team, please do not cheer when the other team fumbles in the red zone".  The nature of the event draws those clear lines. The argument can't be "well this is golf, therefore please suspend your humanity"

While i detest the screamers and rowdy drunks (at any venue, golf or otherwise). I far prefer it to the alternative. A bunch of prim, uptight, zombies.  Offering polite golf claps for "us" and sincere  "awwwww's" issued in unison by this awful, uninspired collective of sedate ninny's when an opponent fails. I mean I'd much rather watch the fans go crazy when Rory drains a 50 footer and holds a hand up to his ear, or Patrick Reed takes a bow when he answers, then watch the fans sit still and politely clap as Rory looks on apologetically after making that putt. Don't cheer the other teams failure? That is ridiculous.

I don't doubt Mrs. leishman's experience was a bad one. But surely that was in part  because she was unprepared for "Us against them" somehow. And does anyone doubt that by noon or so on Saturday she was was feeling the suffocating humiliation the hubster and his mates were suffering? If it was all tied up after Saturday, she may well have characterized half of what offended her delicate sensibilities as "total intensity!"


Lol. You never disappoint !  Unfortunately I've seen you play your softie card here.  So I know you have it In you.  

As to the point.   Sure. I paint a very bad scene.  But mine isn't as far from reality at times as yours.  You make it sound like it's 4 frat boys that you can just ignore.   It's not.  It's a sea of them.  And even worse. Some are 45-60.  A kid acting like  an idiot is much more tolerable than a person near retirement age acting as  if he's 19 and on his first shore leave.  

Again I say. Get drunk and go stand on a street corner and yell at passing cars or passing people on the sidewalk.  Bet you don't last 30 minutes before you get picked up.   Same should apply at any public place. Including a golf tournament.

Just so I am clear. You see NO DISTINCTION between a crazy person screaming at motorists and pedestrians alike, and fans of a team and a sporting competition? There is no way you mean that.

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