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#31 Ferguson

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 04:57 AM

These guys, and I am speaking generally, have money and access to whatever they want.  Couple that with the pressure to win and keep up with their buddies week after week.  Let's just just say it takes a strong will for any human being NOT to take short cuts.

Kudos to the guys that resist the temptation and play organically.


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 08:49 AM

Unfortunately, I have seen "cheaters" in all walks of life.  They often think others are doing it so it is only fair that they do it.  The sad part is they often get away with it.  Whether it is school, taxes, golf, infidelity or cards, these scum are not as rare as you would think.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:16 AM

View PostYuck, on 05 October 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

Unfortunately, I have seen "cheaters" in all walks of life.  They often think others are doing it so it is only fair that they do it.  The sad part is they often get away with it.  Whether it is school, taxes, golf, infidelity or cards, these scum are not as rare as you would think.


It's sickening to me that such behavior is almost commonplace.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:31 AM

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View PostCircaflex, on 04 October 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

View PostCool Hand Luke, on 04 October 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

never made sense to me why a golfer would want to take HGH or anabolic steroids

I am surprised how often people say this. One of the main benefits of HGH is helping recover from injury. It helps keep the player on the field, similar to why a basketball player would take HGH. They aren't trying to get big, they want to help decrease recovery time, especially at the end of a season.

View Postsandy, on 04 October 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

Hopefully it is applied to the Long Drive participants as well.. HMM!!!
We'd be left with like one or two competitors then, ha. It is pretty obvious, most of those guys are taking steroids.
They must have the worst testing program then because they have been clean and testing for years.
  Too many of us lazy guys think all buff guys are cheating.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:58 AM

I've got to try some of this HGH...what's wrong with it..makes you smarter..stronger ....clear thinking ..recover faster...hell, we should all be taking it.

I like when my doctor gives me Prednisone.


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 12:15 PM

View Postmarmooskapaul, on 05 October 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

I've got to try some of this HGH...what's wrong with it..makes you smarter..stronger ....clear thinking ..recover faster...hell, we should all be taking it.

I like when my doctor gives me Prednisone.

We will be one day. Used responsibly(i.e. Under dr supervision and not buying from a dude wearing a fanny pack at the gym) HGH and anabolic steroids are a veritable fountain of youth.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 12:26 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few doping. Obviously the equipment accounts for much of the increase in driving distance but you can imagine the temptation of someone who hits it 280 to hit it 310 off the tee. I don't think that was as relevant 30 years ago but now you need a minimum distance unless you're exceptional otherwise.

On golfer fitness, from my experience of pros, they are generally slimmer and better built in person, even the supposed less fit ones. Not like an NFL player or anything but they look after themselves for the most part. Generally a very flexible bunch and strong in the core rather than big muscles.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 12:56 PM

View PostDave230, on 05 October 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few doping. Obviously the equipment accounts for much of the increase in driving distance but you can imagine the temptation of someone who hits it 280 to hit it 310 off the tee. I don't think that was as relevant 30 years ago but now you need a minimum distance unless you're exceptional otherwise.

On golfer fitness, from my experience of pros, they are generally slimmer and better built in person, even the supposed less fit ones. Not like an NFL player or anything but they look after themselves for the most part. Generally a very flexible bunch and strong in the core rather than big muscles.
First part is true except that the players of 30 years ago if they were 30 yards behind it was a bigger deal than it is now imo. Just based of percentages the same amount of length lacking would be bigger.  
  This is not directed at you but I have always felt that what many posters forget is that the averages are just that-an average.  For most averages they feel their average is what they achieve on a good hit with their driver. For the tour it is just an average. Not as far as they can hit it.

  Your second spot is spot on. The only reason most golfers would take anything would be for endurance. And recovery time. No way any player wants to get to the point where guys think they can "tell just by looking at them".
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:03 PM

The biggest part of this IMO is that they'll now publicly announce offenders. No more hiding behind "jet ski moving incidents" or "personal time" situations. Once labeled a cheater the stigma sticks and the sponsors will go away and stay away.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:14 PM

I donít think most of you guys understand whatís changed.   Theyíve ALWAYS reported performance enhancing drug suspensions publicly.   There was no hiding if you got caught with anything performance enhancing/banned substances.

The change is they are now publicly reporting recreational drug test failures.   This were the ones you could lie and hide.


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:16 PM

Years past I was against it... but events since have lead me to change my mind.  Drug testing for all possible influences is good for every sport.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:36 PM

Organized baseball and fans of the game didn't admit to a problem for decades.  As it turned out, baseball had systematically been taken over by doping.  I think PED use is far more prevalent than we care to admit and in far more walks of life than we realize.  Whether it be show business, sports, entertainment of all forms and fashions and even golf at the highest levels.  There is far more fame and fortune to gain from the risk than to pass up.

I would encourage anyone wanting to see how simple doping is to get away with to watch "Icarus" on Netflix.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:12 PM

View Postmarmooskapaul, on 05 October 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

I've got to try some of this HGH...what's wrong with it..makes you smarter..stronger ....clear thinking ..recover faster...hell, we should all be taking it.

I like when my doctor gives me Prednisone.

Steroids are great for acute conditions but taken long term lead to all kinds of health problems (immune suppression, muscle atrophy, depression, etc). You can only cheat nature/biology for so long...
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:43 PM

View PostSixcat, on 05 October 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

I think PED use is far more prevalent than we care to admit and in far more walks of life than we realize.  

Especially when you think more broadly about "performance"...

How many people are useless in the morning before their first dosage of caffeine?

How many people lean on alcohol to calm nerves in a challenging social setting?

Drugs actually exist to enhance performance. The moral slippery slope of when they are acceptable and when they are not is the challenge...

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 03:03 PM

First dose of caffeine? I need an intravenous drip :swoon: . Seriously I know recreational drug use is rising....so many faux intellectual arguments about why cannabis is a health food....


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 04:15 PM

View Postelwhippy, on 05 October 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

First dose of caffeine? I need an intravenous drip :swoon: . Seriously I know recreational drug use is rising....so many faux intellectual arguments about why cannabis is a health food....


I don't know why people are like that.  It's clearly medicine
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:25 PM

View Postelwhippy, on 05 October 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

First dose of caffeine? I need an intravenous drip :swoon: . Seriously I know recreational drug use is rising....so many faux intellectual arguments about why cannabis is a health food....

Well it is high in antioxidants, offers an alternative to opioids for pain relief and helps chemo patients with their nausea and appetite.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 06:01 PM

View Postmd1m, on 05 October 2017 - 12:32 AM, said:

Tuesday (and maybe Monday) practice round, Wed pro-am, then four rounds of highly competitive golf in all kinds of conditions (wind, rain, heat). You try doing that every week along with everything else they have to do and see how easy it is after a few months.  I'm guessing you haven't experienced anything like that, but one week of that would be too much for most people.

Yeah, can't even fathom how physically taxing that would be.  I would have to be on a cocktail of insane PEDs to keep the pace that those guys do.

They play in the heat too?!?!!  I can't imagine.  I'm surprised more guys don't just mail it in after 12 holes from being so exhausted.

And the gym footage - absolutely insane the lifts those guys do.  Linebackers, all of them.  Never seen anything like it, ever.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 08:37 PM

As long as they don’t test the drugs on animals before they test them on the players I’m okay with it. The animals can’t speak for themselves so it’s up to us. Well except for some of the great apes that have been taught sign language.  And parrots I guess but they are just repeating what they hear. So in summary, drug testing on PGA Tour players is okay.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:47 PM

I'm going out on a limb here and say ...Some ceo's and other heads of techno/companies are definitely using HGH.


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:06 PM

I don't think there's anything about the life of a PGA Pro that requires steroids or HGH.

I would bet big money that sleep aids, ADHD drugs, beta blockers, and other more psychological performance enhancing drugs are the 800 lb gorilla on tour right now.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 08:23 AM

View PostMatt J, on 05 October 2017 - 11:06 PM, said:

I don't think there's anything about the life of a PGA Pro that requires steroids or HGH.

I would bet big money that sleep aids, ADHD drugs, beta blockers, and other more psychological performance enhancing drugs are the 800 lb gorilla on tour right now.

I could see HGH. I think we generally underestimate what a grind traveling all the time is on the body. Even in a private jet (which is really only the top guys).

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 08:44 AM

Even if doping didn't have as big of an impact on golf as some other sports, if it even had a small impact (which I think is undeniable) then everything should be done to stop it. Which is good to see better testing measures.

This is a game where a ball moving half an inch on the green has cost players penalty shots, so taking illegal performance-enhancing drugs should result in a hefty ban.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 08:31 PM

View PostShilgy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

View Postsandy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

He probably thinks all those body builders back in the day did it on aspirin and Wheat Germ
I take it you guys are of the belief that just about every pro athlete is cheating? Perhaps you're right and I'm naive but every football (American) and many basketball players are more ripped than the long drive guys. Case in point Sadlowski.

Depends on how you define cheating.....if you mean paying for the services of several PhD's, MDs, chemists and physiologists to extract every single once of performance out their God Given genealogy AND that sometimes they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

I will be shocked if there are not a a number of significant positive test announcements during the next couple of seasons.

Yes I know many golf fans drank the "kool-aid" and live in a fantasy land where golfers are beyond reproach and would never cheat.  I am not talking about the "obvious" usual suspects either.  In the fullness of time we will know.

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 11:01 PM

Not that people arenít cheating or whatever, but I donít think the tour is doing much good by trying to tighten up testing. Scott Stallings comes to mind... and therapeutic use etc... as defined and determined by the tour and whatever medical authority they decide to use is misleading because what counts as normal is really suboptimal in many health measures. Itís too bad intent can be faked...


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Posted 07 October 2017 - 11:13 PM

View PostOutlier, on 07 October 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

View Postsandy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

He probably thinks all those body builders back in the day did it on aspirin and Wheat Germ
I take it you guys are of the belief that just about every pro athlete is cheating? Perhaps you're right and I'm naive but every football (American) and many basketball players are more ripped than the long drive guys. Case in point Sadlowski.

Depends on how you define cheating.....if you mean paying for the services of several PhD's, MDs, chemists and physiologists to extract every single once of performance out their God Given genealogy AND that sometimes they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

I will be shocked if there are not a a number of significant positive test announcements during the next couple of seasons.

Yes I know many golf fans drank the "kool-aid" and live in a fantasy land where golfers are beyond reproach and would never cheat.  I am not talking about the "obvious" usual suspects either.  In the fullness of time we will know.
So your answer is 90% of pro athletes are over the line and using ped's?
  That is what this line seems to be saying.
"they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 06:33 AM

View PostShilgy, on 07 October 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

View PostOutlier, on 07 October 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

View Postsandy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

He probably thinks all those body builders back in the day did it on aspirin and Wheat Germ
I take it you guys are of the belief that just about every pro athlete is cheating? Perhaps you're right and I'm naive but every football (American) and many basketball players are more ripped than the long drive guys. Case in point Sadlowski.

Depends on how you define cheating.....if you mean paying for the services of several PhD's, MDs, chemists and physiologists to extract every single once of performance out their God Given genealogy AND that sometimes they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

I will be shocked if there are not a a number of significant positive test announcements during the next couple of seasons.

Yes I know many golf fans drank the "kool-aid" and live in a fantasy land where golfers are beyond reproach and would never cheat.  I am not talking about the "obvious" usual suspects either.  In the fullness of time we will know.
So your answer is 90% of pro athletes are over the line and using ped's?

  Could very well be, but I doubt it.

I doubt that it's as low as 90%.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 02:44 PM

View PostShilgy, on 07 October 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

View PostOutlier, on 07 October 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

View Postsandy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

He probably thinks all those body builders back in the day did it on aspirin and Wheat Germ
I take it you guys are of the belief that just about every pro athlete is cheating? Perhaps you're right and I'm naive but every football (American) and many basketball players are more ripped than the long drive guys. Case in point Sadlowski.

Depends on how you define cheating.....if you mean paying for the services of several PhD's, MDs, chemists and physiologists to extract every single once of performance out their God Given genealogy AND that sometimes they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

I will be shocked if there are not a a number of significant positive test announcements during the next couple of seasons.

Yes I know many golf fans drank the "kool-aid" and live in a fantasy land where golfers are beyond reproach and would never cheat.  I am not talking about the "obvious" usual suspects either.  In the fullness of time we will know.
So your answer is 90% of pro athletes are over the line and using ped's?
  That is what this line seems to be saying.
"they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

  Could very well be, but I doubt it.

just to be clear.....Yes.

And when they get "caught" it is because somebody on their team screwed-up, or it was just like hitting the reverse lottery.  The ONLY reason there hasn't been a rash of  golfers caught is they weren't trying to catch them.  

I assume you agree that just like all other major sports, each and every top golfer:

1) has the best specialized diet money can buy;
2) has the best trainer money can buy;
3) has the best M.D. money can buy;
4) has the best swing coach money can buy;
5) has the best mind coach money can buy;
6) has the best equipment money can buy;
7) has the best PED administration regime money can buy*

* come on......it is downright SILLY to think otherwise.


The trainers they all go to - (you know the ones) you think they have magic fairy dust?    ZIKA VIRUS and PERSONAL ISSUES MYSTERIOUS "INJURIES"........let's be reall.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 04:14 PM

View PostOutlier, on 08 October 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 07 October 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

View PostOutlier, on 07 October 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

View Postsandy, on 04 October 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

He probably thinks all those body builders back in the day did it on aspirin and Wheat Germ
I take it you guys are of the belief that just about every pro athlete is cheating? Perhaps you're right and I'm naive but every football (American) and many basketball players are more ripped than the long drive guys. Case in point Sadlowski.

Depends on how you define cheating.....if you mean paying for the services of several PhD's, MDs, chemists and physiologists to extract every single once of performance out their God Given genealogy AND that sometimes they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

I will be shocked if there are not a a number of significant positive test announcements during the next couple of seasons.

Yes I know many golf fans drank the "kool-aid" and live in a fantasy land where golfers are beyond reproach and would never cheat.  I am not talking about the "obvious" usual suspects either.  In the fullness of time we will know.
So your answer is 90% of pro athletes are over the line and using ped's?
  That is what this line seems to be saying.
"they knowingly blurr or cross lines drawn by governing bodies with the expectation that they have a plan to avoid detection then YEAH I believe 90%+ of all pro athletes in the US "cheat".

  Could very well be, but I doubt it.

just to be clear.....Yes.

And when they get "caught" it is because somebody on their team screwed-up, or it was just like hitting the reverse lottery.  The ONLY reason there hasn't been a rash of  golfers caught is they weren't trying to catch them.  

I assume you agree that just like all other major sports, each and every top golfer:

1) has the best specialized diet money can buy;
2) has the best trainer money can buy;
3) has the best M.D. money can buy;
4) has the best swing coach money can buy;
5) has the best mind coach money can buy;
6) has the best equipment money can buy;
7) has the best PED administration regime money can buy*

* come on......it is downright SILLY to think otherwise.


The trainers they all go to - (you know the ones) you think they have magic fairy dust? ZIKA VIRUS and PERSONAL ISSUES MYSTERIOUS "INJURIES"........let's be reall.
Evidently based on a couple of you guys yeah I do.  To me this sounds like guys at their keyboard(I am one) not accepting  the work ethic these guys have and instead attributing their success to cheating.
  Are there cheats out there? Of course there are.  90%? No, imo.
   Further I would say the use of currently  banned substances in baseball was more prevalent in the 60's and 70's than today.  In that era greenies were in every clubhouse.
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 04:26 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 05 October 2017 - 06:01 PM, said:

View Postmd1m, on 05 October 2017 - 12:32 AM, said:

Tuesday (and maybe Monday) practice round, Wed pro-am, then four rounds of highly competitive golf in all kinds of conditions (wind, rain, heat). You try doing that every week along with everything else they have to do and see how easy it is after a few months.  I'm guessing you haven't experienced anything like that, but one week of that would be too much for most people.

Yeah, can't even fathom how physically taxing that would be.  I would have to be on a cocktail of insane PEDs to keep the pace that those guys do.

They play in the heat too?!?!!  I can't imagine.  I'm surprised more guys don't just mail it in after 12 holes from being so exhausted.

And the gym footage - absolutely insane the lifts those guys do.  Linebackers, all of them.  Never seen anything like it, ever.

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