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#1 NikeGolferTX

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 11:52 AM

Left side of pelvis low:

This is something I've added to my swing and it's been a game changer...but I've also seen a lot of debate on this topic. I'm interested in your thoughts.

When you make your backswing two inclinations are being created:

Pelvic Tilt & Shoulder tilt.

The lead hip (left side of pelvis) is lower than the trail and the lead shoulder (left shoulder) is lower than the trail shoulder.

The goal is to maintain these tilts on the initial transition of the downswing...eventually they will level out, but not early in the swing.

This very short video explains this concept: https://www.instagra...n-by=shkeengolf

I came across this video of George Gankas explaining ground pressure and rotation at 4:53 (same concept): https://youtu.be/AZ_NL6TuGqY?t=293

Lateral movement towards target:

I see a lot of coaches teaching to bump or slide towards the target which effectively reverses this. For me personally I can't rotate and I lose tremendous power and consistency.

The bump is taught in order to get the student to come from the inside.

I'm interested in your thoughts, debates, and ideas concerning this.

Edited by NikeGolferTX, 04 October 2017 - 11:54 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 12:02 PM

I don't know if anyone has properly defined what the "bump" is......maybe O'Grady in the McCord video...4". Too often the bump turns into a slide.

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 02:42 PM

 PJ1120, on 04 October 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

I don't know if anyone has properly defined what the "bump" is......maybe O'Grady in the McCord video...4". Too often the bump turns into a slide.
Agreed.

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:58 PM

 NikeGolferTX, on 04 October 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

Left side of pelvis low:

This is something I've added to my swing and it's been a game changer...but I've also seen a lot of debate on this topic. I'm interested in your thoughts.

When you make your backswing two inclinations are being created:

Pelvic Tilt & Shoulder tilt.

The lead hip (left side of pelvis) is lower than the trail and the lead shoulder (left shoulder) is lower than the trail shoulder.

The goal is to maintain these tilts on the initial transition of the downswing...eventually they will level out, but not early in the swing.

This very short video explains this concept: https://www.instagra...n-by=shkeengolf

I came across this video of George Gankas explaining ground pressure and rotation at 4:53 (same concept): https://youtu.be/AZ_NL6TuGqY?t=293

Lateral movement towards target:

I see a lot of coaches teaching to bump or slide towards the target which effectively reverses this. For me personally I can't rotate and I lose tremendous power and consistency.

The bump is taught in order to get the student to come from the inside.

I'm interested in your thoughts, debates, and ideas concerning this.

Usually the early tilt is created when club isn't shallow enough early in transition.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 01:22 PM

Crap! And I thought this was about someone with two sets of hips!

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 03:11 AM

You didn't get much traction with this topic. I think its excellent.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 03:17 AM

I dont think anyone teaches to 'slide' to the left. Bump (start left) then rotate

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 06:23 AM

For me, the lower left hip at the top has been much more important than the bump which I think will more or less happen on its own assuming a good backswing.

One other feel that has been great is to feel that my hip angle slightly decreases.  One can get a lower hip by using the ankle, knee or hip and I think it's importatant that the left participate, plus it loads the lead foot much better.

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 08:28 AM

Here's another similar related vid by the same guy ...

https://www.instagra...n-by=shkeengolf
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:16 AM

 NikeGolferTX, on 04 October 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

Left side of pelvis low:

This is something I've added to my swing and it's been a game changer...but I've also seen a lot of debate on this topic. I'm interested in your thoughts.

When you make your backswing two inclinations are being created:

Pelvic Tilt & Shoulder tilt.

The lead hip (left side of pelvis) is lower than the trail and the lead shoulder (left shoulder) is lower than the trail shoulder.

The goal is to maintain these tilts on the initial transition of the downswing...eventually they will level out, but not early in the swing.

This very short video explains this concept: https://www.instagra...n-by=shkeengolf

I came across this video of George Gankas explaining ground pressure and rotation at 4:53 (same concept): https://youtu.be/AZ_NL6TuGqY?t=293

Lateral movement towards target:

I see a lot of coaches teaching to bump or slide towards the target which effectively reverses this. For me personally I can't rotate and I lose tremendous power and consistency.

The bump is taught in order to get the student to come from the inside.

I'm interested in your thoughts, debates, and ideas concerning this.

Check out Athletic Motion Golf on YouTube. They also support this concept. Left hip lower until hands approximately parallel or lower in the downswing and then the hips level out. They have lots good material all based of measurements taken from the pros working with them.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:42 AM

On several occasions when I'm struggling or hitting just okay on the range the "left side low, longer" thought demonstrably improves striking to a surprising degree. It's something that is alien to my ingrained swing so, I need to really work it more and be more  cognitive of it. But I buy into it.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:54 AM

This is a great topic

I saw a similar post to this before my last trip South and it does make a world of difference to me .. I feel like I am "in the shot longer"
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:24 PM

 cardoustie, on 13 February 2018 - 11:54 AM, said:

This is a great topic

I saw a similar post to this before my last trip South and it does make a world of difference to me .. I feel like I am "in the shot longer"

Agree. feels like head is lower, flatter for longer in strike zone.

Threads like this remind me of swing thoughts that are last on my list but actually work the best. It's the Rodney Dangerfield of intents, but I've gotten great benefit doing it and only utilize it after dicking around with 3 other things. Getting star billing this week in practice.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:43 PM

 Nard_S, on 13 February 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

 cardoustie, on 13 February 2018 - 11:54 AM, said:

This is a great topic

I saw a similar post to this before my last trip South and it does make a world of difference to me .. I feel like I am "in the shot longer"

Agree. feels like head is lower, flatter for longer in strike zone.

Threads like this remind me of swing thoughts that are last on my list but actually work the best. It's the Rodney Dangerfield of intents, but I've gotten great benefit doing it and only utilize it after dicking around with 3 other things. Getting star billing this week in practice.

Agree

It is like putting a flat spot on the bottom arc of your swing keeping the club in the impact area longer.

Edited by Merkury10, 13 February 2018 - 04:45 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:50 PM

I'm working on this too. It helps me to keep my left shoulder low in transition which then finally helps me to not cast so early and actually retain some angle into P6.

My question, how do you make sure you do not overdo it? When should your left hip start working up as your left leg straightens?


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:10 PM

I've spent more time looking into this concept.

Try this with or without a club:

1.) Stand up in your normal address to the ball.

2.) Put pressure into your left leg.

3.) Pick up your left leg.

Results: you will automatically move forward. (I found this through Athletic Motion Golf)

But I played around with this concept further:

One more thing to try!
Do the same thing but this time get to the top of you backswing (left pelvis/hip lower) and lift your left leg up just like before.

Notice how much more force and pressure is applied just by maintaining the tilts. More movement forward.
Its automatic ground pressure.


This lets me now that preventing the hips from leveling out soon will help you move forward.
In turn this allows you to focus on rotation.

In fact I was unable to get open at impact until I started doing this.

There is no weight transfer. It's all pressure.

Watch slow motion videos of pros and notice the left side of the pelvis stay low. Notice the butt show before they start level out...you can't unsee it. Every top player does it.
https://www.youtube....h?v=F5kKg4lvLf8

Edit (one more thing to try):

Get into your backswing (the left side of you hip should be low) but don't pick up your left leg, just straighten the left leg....notice how it forces the hips to rotate as long and the hip/pelvis is tilted.

Edited by NikeGolferTX, 13 February 2018 - 03:23 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:36 PM

I'm going to make a 4 series video soon of this concept and a few others and I will post it on here.

My swing concepts are not about getting into positions but rather what positions either allow or make your body do when you apply pressure or stretch a muscle.

Edited by NikeGolferTX, 13 February 2018 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:59 PM

 Boomer3, on 13 February 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm working on this too. It helps me to keep my left shoulder low in transition which then finally helps me to not cast so early and actually retain some angle into P6.

My question, how do you make sure you do not overdo it? When should your left hip start working up as your left leg straightens?

I've found that the body knows when to start pushing off the left leg to make sure the club shallows out and the hands are pushed forward.  I find it really helps to put the alignment stick in the belt loops with the majority of it hanging out on the lead leg side.  Maintain lead leg flex / pressure as long as you can and point that stick at the ground moving around your lead leg.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:49 PM

 NikeGolferTX, on 13 February 2018 - 03:36 PM, said:

I'm going to make a 4 series video soon of this concept and a few others and I will post it on here.

My swing concepts are not about getting into positions but rather what positions either allow or make your body do when you apply pressure or stretch a muscle.

Looking forward to seeing it. If you do not post it in this thread, let me know when it’s up. Thanks.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:14 PM

The motion being shown in that

 NikeGolferTX, on 04 October 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

This very short video explains this concept: https://www.instagra...n-by=shkeengolf


The motion being shown looks good. Does it differ from the Sam Snead "squat". I ask because the AMG guys say they have never actually captured that move from any of their tour players with GEARS. They talk about not recommending trying to emulate Snead, and they seem to disagree with the GG method, without naming it.

https://www.youtube....h?v=AOxGNRHcsIs



Having said that, to my eye it looks like Rickie Fowler, Dustin Johnson, Julian Suri all make this move, but others like Adam Scott and Rory have their right knee bending internal right away.

Edited by Boomer3, 13 February 2018 - 05:14 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:21 PM

I think any thought that helps guys get their pelvis more open be impact is a winner.  I need that help 100%

There are days when I can't seem to stay in my iron shots and I hit a lot of thins as misses.  I can see from this video that on bad days I am dropping my right side, sliding left, raising left hip etc, you then need to flip it to try and save the shot

It also explains why I had great tourney success late last year focused on moving the inside of my right shoulder target wards and not dropping it groundwards

My flaw is a drop, then slide and then coming way too inside out,  I didn't believe it till I saw it on trackman
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:36 PM

Kelvin Miyahira 101.  The only thing is that with the SSC, getting too much left pelvic tilt at p4 can be difficult to keep that tilt and keep that left hip low in transition.  More likely to lose the tilt, goat hump and slide.

Very important to get the left hip into flexion in the downswing.  Not easy to do.





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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:17 AM

I went to the range yesterday and started playing around with this.
So I decided to swing at a tee instead of a ball because it helps me learn/experiment with something new without focusing on the ball too much. It's personal preference.

What seems to work best is a very strange feeling:
I keep the tilt (lead hip low) yet I try to swing in a more horizontal fashion...almost feels like I'm swinging a baseball bat.

I noticed my right wrist bends back on its own as if its forcing lag.
Also my butt/hips stay back.

When striking the ball I have never seen flight quite like it: starts off low and rises.
The problem I encountered was having to get pressure on the left leg sooner...but dear god you can control the sh/t out of the ball swinging like this with effortless power!


https://www.youtube....h?v=OBHvhq72jKo

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:50 AM

 NikeGolferTX, on 15 February 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

I went to the range yesterday and started playing around with this.
So I decided to swing at a tee instead of a ball because it helps me learn/experiment with something new without focusing on the ball too much. It's personal preference.

What seems to work best is a very strange feeling:
I keep the tilt (lead hip low) yet I try to swing in a more horizontal fashion...almost feels like I'm swinging a baseball bat.

I noticed my right wrist bends back on its own as if its forcing lag.
Also my butt/hips stay back.

When striking the ball I have never seen flight quite like it: starts off low and rises.
The problem I encountered was having to get pressure on the left leg sooner...but dear god you can control the sh/t out of the ball swinging like this with effortless power!


https://www.youtube....h?v=OBHvhq72jKo

The ball flight is an excellent indicator you are doing it correctly.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:00 PM

Left hip can stay low and pelvis bump at the same time.

If you extend and regain flexion properly.


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