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Rory Mcilroy Taylormade Fitting - D8 Swingweight!


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#1 tgoodspe1991

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:55 PM

Hey all, not sure if this goes in equipment or tour forum, but either way it's a great read for any Rory fans out there.

It's an article about some of his initial fitting with Taylormade. Spoiler alert: it also states he plays his driver at D8 swing-weight. Wow! That's crazy heavy, and he can still swing that thing 120+ mph!

Impressive stuff. Thought I'd share!

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 10:06 PM

Good things are coming...

That was May.  Glad I didn't hold my breath.

Good interview.  Hope he heals up and can push hard next year.


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 10:26 PM

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 02 October 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

Hey all, not sure if this goes in equipment or tour forum, but either way it's a great read for any Rory fans out there.

It's an article about some of his initial fitting with Taylormade. Spoiler alert: it also states he plays his driver at D8 swing-weight. Wow! That's crazy heavy, and he can still swing that thing 120+ mph!

Impressive stuff. Thought I'd share!

http://interact.tayl...omy-of-a-switch


heavier swingweight should be easier for him to swing that fast not harder...  Light swing weights are a fad promising more speed and distance...but never delivering anything but worse strikes because you cant feel the head..
but cool info ..thanks for sharing...
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:10 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 02 October 2017 - 10:26 PM, said:

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 02 October 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

Hey all, not sure if this goes in equipment or tour forum, but either way it's a great read for any Rory fans out there.

It's an article about some of his initial fitting with Taylormade. Spoiler alert: it also states he plays his driver at D8 swing-weight. Wow! That's crazy heavy, and he can still swing that thing 120+ mph!

Impressive stuff. Thought I'd share!

http://interact.tayl...omy-of-a-switch


heavier swingweight should be easier for him to swing that fast not harder...  Light swing weights are a fad promising more speed and distance...but never delivering anything but worse strikes because you cant feel the head..
but cool info ..thanks for sharing...

Exactly, jason day hot melts his driver to like d6, it makes the shaft more flexible as well so easier to launch when you need to

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:26 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 02 October 2017 - 10:26 PM, said:

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 02 October 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

Hey all, not sure if this goes in equipment or tour forum, but either way it's a great read for any Rory fans out there.

It's an article about some of his initial fitting with Taylormade. Spoiler alert: it also states he plays his driver at D8 swing-weight. Wow! That's crazy heavy, and he can still swing that thing 120+ mph!

Impressive stuff. Thought I'd share!

http://interact.tayl...omy-of-a-switch


heavier swingweight should be easier for him to swing that fast not harder...  Light swing weights are a fad promising more speed and distance...but never delivering anything but worse strikes because you cant feel the head..
but cool info ..thanks for sharing...

I agree with this.  I think my driver plays that or heavier.  I play my Epic at 46", and added an extra 8g slider to it.  I drove the ball better this year than any in the past.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:49 AM

My Driver is a D-6 and love it.  my tempo is a thousand times better than when it was D-2
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:02 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 02 October 2017 - 10:26 PM, said:

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 02 October 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

Hey all, not sure if this goes in equipment or tour forum, but either way it's a great read for any Rory fans out there.

It's an article about some of his initial fitting with Taylormade. Spoiler alert: it also states he plays his driver at D8 swing-weight. Wow! That's crazy heavy, and he can still swing that thing 120+ mph!

Impressive stuff. Thought I'd share!

http://interact.tayl...omy-of-a-switch


heavier swingweight should be easier for him to swing that fast not harder...  Light swing weights are a fad promising more speed and distance...but never delivering anything but worse strikes because you cant feel the head..
but cool info ..thanks for sharing...
Like all things golf, your statement is neither true or false.
For folks like yourself, heavier SW ( D4 and up)  may be just the ticket.
But it would likely kill those of us who prefer or just need a lower SW ( below D2).
I have always played at C9 to D0. Heavier just doesn`t seem to cut it.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:20 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 02 October 2017 - 10:26 PM, said:

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 02 October 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

Hey all, not sure if this goes in equipment or tour forum, but either way it's a great read for any Rory fans out there.

It's an article about some of his initial fitting with Taylormade. Spoiler alert: it also states he plays his driver at D8 swing-weight. Wow! That's crazy heavy, and he can still swing that thing 120+ mph!

Impressive stuff. Thought I'd share!

http://interact.tayl...omy-of-a-switch


heavier swingweight should be easier for him to swing that fast not harder...  Light swing weights are a fad promising more speed and distance...but never delivering anything but worse strikes because you cant feel the head..
but cool info ..thanks for sharing...
As someone who recently test drove a Wilson Staff D300 I can attest to the truth in that statement.  And the fastest controlled swing I can make is right around 103 mph.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:42 PM

A few years ago I was testing drivers on a sim and not getting good results with anything. Then I picked up the Covert Tour 2.0, which I hadn't even planned to test. That was the red driver Rory used to win two majors in the same year.

That driver outperformed everything by a wide margin. I went back and hit the other clubs again, thinking it was some kind of mistake. Same results. The Covert just worked for me and I didn't know why. I used that driver for a couple of years.

It was only later that I found out that driver had a very heavy head, and a high swingweight. My current Cobra Ltd is also pretty heavy. For whatever reason a heavy club works much better for me, and my ss is nowhere close to Rory's.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 01:16 PM

D7 guy here at 46.25

Seems my secret is getting out

Love my heavy swing weights

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:01 PM

I was fitted into an epic sz at D9, it's also tipped .5" so it plays 45.75, shaft is a Oban Kiyoshi Black 65-05.  I honestly freaked out when I saw what my build sheet said, I thought it was a mistake but they assured me D9 was right.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:01 PM

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My Driver is a D-6 and love it.  my tempo is a thousand times better than when it was D-2
The faster your ss, the higher the swingweight needs to be. Clubs moving faster so its tougher to feel a lighter object
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 10:13 PM

I never knew so many people are all about such a heavy swingweight, especially in their drivers... I'm around a 115mph on my normal swings, and I feel like most drivers I play are always like around D0-2... I might throw some extra weight in there and see what the result is!

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 10:59 PM

yep you never know .... you may love it ....  forgot to add My 440 M1 is 44.5 inches and is hotmelted to come out at D9 with the Fuji  atmos shaft thats in it .....  shes a sledgehammer....the TW Vapor speed thats my backup is even heavier..lol    I could play it at 44 inches and still make weight if need be....    I get that its personal preference.. But i dont see how anyone can get good results if you cant feel the head.... also is a gripe of mine with almost all modern irons.... i have to add gobs of lead just to demo something...
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 04:59 AM

D6 minimum for me, and that's with a counter weighted shaft and midsize grip. I couldn't argue with how much better my consistency was with the heavier weights. It boggles my mind that Bryson DeChambeau's driver is B9.

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:18 AM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 03 October 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

The faster your ss, the higher the swingweight needs to be. Clubs moving faster so its tougher to feel a lighter object

No, that's not it.  It's actually the opposite.    What we feel as "weight" is resistance to acceleration (not speed).  And the faster the swing speed, the more acceleration that occurred (or is occuring) and the more resistance there would be for the same head weight.  

Now there are a couple other potential reasons for the correlation between higher swing speeds and higher swing weights.

The above was about actual effort.  Perceived effort is a bit different and really relative to strength and ability.  If I trained and worked out and hit as many balls as Rory, D8 isn't' really going to feel relatively heavy compared to how my current driver at D0 feels now to my old man, out of shape body.

Those with faster swing speeds get them because they are generally stronger and/or much more efficient in the swing.   The better and more efficient the swing, the less manipulation (generally) is required through the swing and the less resistence will be felt for a heavier weight.

And my favorite.   The faster the swing speed, the more sensitive the results (ball flight) are to small variations in tempo and timing.  And simply put, the heavier the swing weight, the more likely one is to get more consistent tempo/timing in the swing ASSUMING - the weight doesn't exceed the upper level threshold where the player starts to feel they have to put more effort into the swing than what they consider "normal".

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:58 AM

All you guys talking about how certain swingweights are a "minimum" for you, are you talking all clubs or strictly the driver?

In the case of the article I posted above, I'm 99% sure Rory does not play all of his clubs at D8, just the driver. There are numerous articles out there that talk about the rest of his irons and stuff coming in at D2.

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 08:04 AM

My driver is E0 at 44.5".. it feels quite heavy to everyone that waggles it or swings it but it fits me perfectly. I have a 3rd weight in an M1 to achieve the head weight that works for me and with the shaft combination it is the straightest driver I have ever hit. If I get too light I feel like I can't feel the head and my transition gets too quick causing some issues including a 2 way miss
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 08:29 AM

View PostStuart G., on 04 October 2017 - 06:18 AM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 03 October 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

The faster your ss, the higher the swingweight needs to be. Clubs moving faster so its tougher to feel a lighter object

No, that's not it.  It's actually the opposite.    What we feel as "weight" is resistance to acceleration (not speed).  And the faster the swing speed, the more acceleration that occurred (or is occuring) and the more resistance there would be for the same head weight.  

Now there are a couple other potential reasons for the correlation between higher swing speeds and higher swing weights.

The above was about actual effort.  Perceived effort is a bit different and really relative to strength and ability.  If I trained and worked out and hit as many balls as Rory, D8 isn't' really going to feel relatively heavy compared to how my current driver at D0 feels now to my old man, out of shape body.

Those with faster swing speeds get them because they are generally stronger and/or much more efficient in the swing.   The better and more efficient the swing, the less manipulation (generally) is required through the swing and the less resistence will be felt for a heavier weight.

And my favorite.   The faster the swing speed, the more sensitive the results (ball flight) are to small variations in tempo and timing.  And simply put, the heavier the swing weight, the more likely one is to get more consistent tempo/timing in the swing ASSUMING - the weight doesn't exceed the upper level threshold where the player starts to feel they have to put more effort into the swing than what they consider "normal".
So im right
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:14 AM

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 04 October 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

All you guys talking about how certain swingweights are a "minimum" for you, are you talking all clubs or strictly the driver?

In the case of the article I posted above, I'm 99% sure Rory does not play all of his clubs at D8, just the driver. There are numerous articles out there that talk about the rest of his irons and stuff coming in at D2.

According to the specs that Taylormade released for his clubs, he plays his FWs at D5 and his irons/wedges at D4

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:35 AM

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 04 October 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

All you guys talking about how certain swingweights are a "minimum" for you, are you talking all clubs or strictly the driver?

In the case of the article I posted above, I'm 99% sure Rory does not play all of his clubs at D8, just the driver. There are numerous articles out there that talk about the rest of his irons and stuff coming in at D2.

My set is a curve as I imagine is fairly normal.

Driver: D6+
3w: D5
5w: D5
4i-6i: D4
7i-9i: D4.5
PW/GW: D5
SW/LW: D6

All with midsize grips. These numbers fluctuate as I tend to aim for being 1-2 points higher across the board, pretty much centering around whatever the Driver ends up being, but the ratios normally stay the same.
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#22 legitimategolf

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:38 AM

Yikes, my rib hurts just reading about it.

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#23 Matt J

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:49 AM

View Postex0dus, on 03 October 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

A few years ago I was testing drivers on a sim and not getting good results with anything. Then I picked up the Covert Tour 2.0, which I hadn't even planned to test. That was the red driver Rory used to win two majors in the same year.

That driver outperformed everything by a wide margin. I went back and hit the other clubs again, thinking it was some kind of mistake. Same results. The Covert just worked for me and I didn't know why. I used that driver for a couple of years.

It was only later that I found out that driver had a very heavy head, and a high swingweight. My current Cobra Ltd is also pretty heavy. For whatever reason a heavy club works much better for me, and my ss is nowhere close to Rory's.

I still play the Covert 2 in the performance head with a 70 gram blueboard shaft weighs E0 on my scale.

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#24 bladehunter

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:59 AM

View Posttgoodspe1991, on 04 October 2017 - 07:58 AM, said:

All you guys talking about how certain swingweights are a "minimum" for you, are you talking all clubs or strictly the driver?

In the case of the article I posted above, I'm 99% sure Rory does not play all of his clubs at D8, just the driver. There are numerous articles out there that talk about the rest of his irons and stuff coming in at D2.

Pretty much all.  I like my wedges d7/8ish.  Irons are heavy too. But I used a different method to build them.  It's called the "JMOS" method.     I'm tall and struggled once trying to hit off the rack irons.  I now play a 39 inch 5 iron with only 1/4 inch progressions in between.  130 gram Steel with midsize multi compounds , 3 wraps top and 4 bottom. With a twist.  I stretch my grips down as far as I can which provides a slightly smaller overall diameter by more importantly a firm feel vs the squishy feel you get with a grip put on the standard way.    No tip weights , but I do have ash dowels driven down the hosel that are about an inch long.  So some tip weight added there.    I took each iron and hit many balls and adjusted loft and lie until I had the desired gapping and contact.  In between all that adding lead Tape to feel and contact.     I haven't measured swingweight on every  iron. But my 5 iron is D6.       All that to say that this set of irons are thoroughly worn out. And yet many new sets have failed miserably to lock them out.   Including Miura , legacy black etc.  weight is probbaly more important than head type to me and just behind overalll length as I can't hit a club that's too short for me.

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#25 Stuart G.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:16 AM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 04 October 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

View PostStuart G., on 04 October 2017 - 06:18 AM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 03 October 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

The faster your ss, the higher the swingweight needs to be. Clubs moving faster so its tougher to feel a lighter object

No, that's not it.  It's actually the opposite. What we feel as "weight" is resistance to acceleration (not speed).  And the faster the swing speed, the more acceleration that occurred (or is occuring) and the more resistance there would be for the same head weight.  

Now there are a couple other potential reasons for the correlation between higher swing speeds and higher swing weights.

The above was about actual effort.  Perceived effort is a bit different and really relative to strength and ability.  If I trained and worked out and hit as many balls as Rory, D8 isn't' really going to feel relatively heavy compared to how my current driver at D0 feels now to my old man, out of shape body.

Those with faster swing speeds get them because they are generally stronger and/or much more efficient in the swing.   The better and more efficient the swing, the less manipulation (generally) is required through the swing and the less resistence will be felt for a heavier weight.

And my favorite.   The faster the swing speed, the more sensitive the results (ball flight) are to small variations in tempo and timing.  And simply put, the heavier the swing weight, the more likely one is to get more consistent tempo/timing in the swing ASSUMING - the weight doesn't exceed the upper level threshold where the player starts to feel they have to put more effort into the swing than what they consider "normal".
So im right

Well, except for the unconditional use of "need" - and the actual cause and effect - yes it was perfect :-)


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:46 AM

View Postcardoustie, on 03 October 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

D7 guy here at 46.25

Seems my secret is getting out

Love my heavy swing weights

That's actually not that heavy given the length.

I used to play light but went to D4 @ 45" a few years ago and that seems to be the best setup for me.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:27 AM

Posted this video in the Club Techs forum showing Rory's spec sheet in TM Van.

Enjoy..

http://www.golfwrx.c...s-driver-specs/

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 01:29 PM

Only on WRX can you get a great article about one of the best players in the world and have it turn into people detailing their personal driver setup and what swingweight works best for them.

Edited by WidespreadPanic, 06 October 2017 - 01:34 PM.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 02:40 PM

I guess I am going to golfer hell because I neither know or care about my current driver sw. I also sometimes play  a 50g 45.5 inch shaft and other times a 44.75 (cut it down and didn't add weight for swingweight) cut downto 70 gram. Am I doomed????.

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#30 nbg352

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 02:42 PM

View Postbuckeyefl, on 06 October 2017 - 02:40 PM, said:

I guess I am going to golfer hell because I neither know or care about my current driver sw. I also sometimes play  a 50g 45.5 inch shaft and other times a 44.75 (cut it down and didn't add weight for swingweight) cut downto 70 gram. Am I doomed????.
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