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#1 BVIChester

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:32 PM

Our Club is looking to renovate its existing property to improve the facilities for members, increase income by being able to rent the building out for events etc.


We have all been to a club/clubhouse where we have thought "wow, i wish mine had that!" or equally "wtf, were they thinking here?"

So, what are on people's must have lists in a Clubhouse?, a that would be nice list? and a Please no, never again list?





*As a caveat it is not an American style country club building where size is not an object but it will have a pretty open footprint in which to work with and the building has the potential to be split so that if the upper half was to be rented out then the bottom would still be able to be utilized by members.

The building has the potential to be split so that if the upper half was to be rented out then the bottom would still be able to be utilised by members


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:12 PM

What's the ROI, NPV, and payback period? Probably isn't worth doing. Easiest way to ruin or bankrupt a club is a clubhouse renovation. My preference is for a decent spot to get a good drink and quick bite after a round with friends.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:32 PM

What Klebs01 said.

I presume the NZ market is not overly different to Aust.

Whilst we are all looking to "future proof" clubs I am in no way convinced a renovation to become a function/wedding/whatever centre is a sensible play. Are there any examples locally you can point to where it has been successful, out here i can give you a laundry list of the failures.

Staff costs will make things difficult. Will the members who want increased and better facilities be prepared to pay for it?

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:40 PM

I don't belong to a private club, but the course I play at built an event center and restaurant. It's very nice, but since it has opened, the golf course has suffered. The guess from the regulars is that the money that used to be spent on the golf course is now, in part, going to debt service on the new facilities. From a golfer's p.o.v., it's very sad.

I would prefer a simple space with inexpensive booze and simple food. If it was a private club, then locker rooms would be a must.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:44 PM

Keep it simple. Nice clean and modern bathrooms. A new coat of paint, throw up some Crown in the corners, maybe change up the obligatory Jack, Arnie and Snead prints. Presentable bar staff and good food at a fair price. Thats all anybody wants.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:50 PM

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:54 PM

View PostBaitkiller, on 02 October 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

A new coat of paint, throw up some Crown in the corners, maybe change up the obligatory Jack, Arnie and Snead prints.

He's from NZ, they are very patriotic, likely the club will have a Frank Nobilo print.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:00 PM

View PostMalvern, on 02 October 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostBaitkiller, on 02 October 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

A new coat of paint, throw up some Crown in the corners, maybe change up the obligatory Jack, Arnie and Snead prints.

He's from NZ, they are very patriotic, likely the club will have a Frank Nobilo print.
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:30 PM

Totally depends on the culture of the club - there really is no right answer. I would say that, assuming the site allows for it, great features are:

Outdoor terrace / bar area;
Indoor hitting area (with simulator / trackman / video if you have the $$$);
Self-serve 'honor system' prepacked food (sandwiches, cookies, etc.);
Meeting room (where you can host a small business meeting before your round).


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:05 PM

View PostMalvern, on 02 October 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostBaitkiller, on 02 October 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

A new coat of paint, throw up some Crown in the corners, maybe change up the obligatory Jack, Arnie and Snead prints.

He's from NZ, they are very patriotic, likely the club will have a Frank Nobilo print.

We already centered the Lydia Ko print above the bar and have not budgeted for another nail so that cant be moved to accommodate Frank's one unfortunately.

Just to be clear, its more a renovation project to improve the current outdated use of space whilst doing some much needed repair work. Not a huge outlay that will put the Club in jeopardy financially, it is a typical NZ style clubhouse more akin to somewhere you would find in Europe than in Aus or the US.

I realise there is no right or wrong answer. Was just something we were brainstorming about in what made a good clubhouse to us and realised we all appreciated different things


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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:15 PM

I'm a big fan of outdoor seating areas overlooking the 9th of 18th greens. Great for a post round drink but also for tournament atmosphere. It's something that I frequently wish my course had and find myself admiring elsewhere.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:47 AM

 Malvern, on 02 October 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

 Baitkiller, on 02 October 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

A new coat of paint, throw up some Crown in the corners, maybe change up the obligatory Jack, Arnie and Snead prints.

He's from NZ, they are very patriotic, likely the club will have a Frank Nobilo print.

Keep up bro. NZ embraced equality a long time ago. We give equal billing to our golfers whether male, female, trans or other

We just havent got around to employing enough bar staff as yet which is sad

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 06:39 AM

1. Horseshoe bar with enough seating for 20.
2. Cold beer - preferably draft and liquor options as well.
3. Multiple TVs
4. Minimum of small menu options (wings, fries, burgers, dogs, wraps, sammiches)

5. Outdoor seating with view of 18 (covered is preferred)

6. Locker room

1-4 are essentials
5 is borderline essential
6 is a plus

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:51 AM

A course near me has something I've never seen anywhere else that is great, and can't be that expensive. An air hose with a trigger attachment, and a small box that you can use at the end of the round to clean your shoes and legs.

It's located right outside the clubhouse where you would normally find a dirty brush style shoe cleaner mounted in the ground. You can really get all the grass & dirt out of your spikes, and blow any sand, (or ticks) off your legs in a couple seconds. The wooden box is open on top and one side and theres a wooden step in it and a handle on the back side that you can hold onto while you're cleaning up. all the junk gets blown into the box.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 08:40 AM

 BVIChester, on 02 October 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

So, what are on people's must have lists in a Clubhouse?

A "Paid for" clubhouse is #1 on my list.


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 09:18 AM

Nice bar, awesome showers and a small golf shop.

Hard to beat Chechessee Creek.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 09:26 AM

What makes a good clubhouse, regardless of the amenities, from high end private to a local muni.

The members.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:12 PM

A large number of struggling golf clubs in the states did something stupid regarding their clubhouse (i.e, overbuilding) at some point in the past. Be very careful taking on that kind of debt.
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:07 AM

I always liked a view overlooking the 18th green. The course I worked at in college had the club house on a little hill and had a patio in the back that overlooked the 18th hole below. It was great for tournament play because everyone would gather and you could watch the groups come in.

Funny enough, some of my favorite courses I have played have some of the smallest clubhouses around, some even nothing more than a trailer!. That shows me the money is being put into the course instead of the clubhouse.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 01:35 PM

Natural light, good beer selection, outdoor seating that overlooks the course


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Posted 14 October 2017 - 01:44 PM

Do it the American way!  Design a big impressive clubhouse, with a pool, health club, dining room, function room, 2 members bars,  a large locker room with an attendant, and an outside patio.  Let the club board of directors leave a legacy.  Show the other local clubs what a real country club looks like.  Borrow $10 million to finance the place.  Let the final few years of the clubs existence be spent in luxury.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 01:46 PM

 blcorn80, on 14 October 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

Natural light, good beer selection, outdoor seating that overlooks the course

Come on man you can't use "natural light" and "good beer selection" in the same sentence no matter your intended meaning.

:drinks:

Also, I have no opinion or suggestion on your clubhouse reno OP but did want to say that your avatar is awesome.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 08:00 PM

 DonatelloNobodie, on 14 October 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

Do it the American way!  Design a big impressive clubhouse, with a pool, health club, dining room, function room, 2 members bars,  a large locker room with an attendant, and an outside patio.  Let the club board of directors leave a legacy.  Show the other local clubs what a real country club looks like.  Borrow $10 million to finance the place.  Let the final few years of the clubs existence be spent in luxury.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 09:14 PM

Decent Beer, can coffee in the mornings for early rounds is all I ask for

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 07:06 AM

Size doesn't matter.

I would have two criteria;

1.  A nice deck overlooking the 18th hole where you can have a beer and players finish.

2.  A cigar room.


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Posted 15 October 2017 - 10:22 AM

From a course employee perspective:

Give your Head Pro a nice sized office off the shop, and give the assistants a nice sized room for all to share as an office.  That way they can go in, close the door, and start setting up events without interruption from people wanting to look at every little thing.  It's also nice so that when they need to have a meeting, talk with a rep, conduct an interview, etc; they have a nice space they can personalize to do all of that in.

Doesn't need to be huge, but even a 10 foot by 10 foot room is nice.

Edit:
Also give them their own single occupancy bathroom.  We have to do that as well and it's nice to not have members talk to you about your swing as nature is doing it's business.

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 08:35 PM

the staff

who cares about the facility- currently i am at a place (member) with no clubhouse( we do have a pro shop and bar/grille) and i have been a member at clubs that offered many amenities but the staff was eh.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 09:59 AM

The only way to return on your investment is to have a hall that will rent out well.

I would highly recommend visiting other halls where events are held to see if your Clubhouse can look like that and do what they do.

The successful Clubs in my area all have a 19th Hole for members and guests to lounge around in. Eat, smoke a cigar, enjoy a nice drink. They also have a completely separate area to rent out which is more of an event hall. This also serves as a fancy place to eat for certain Club Events like a Thanksgiving Dinner for the members, Christmas party for the Members, things like that.

It's really also about what kind of events/clientele you want to attract. Do you want to do Weddings, Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, Sweet 16 Parties, Special Birthday Events, Anniversary Parties, things like that, or are you a lot more interested in attracting businesses to have outings at your club or have large tournament type events with after parties/dinner?

Lots of options to consider.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:25 PM

For me the best clubhouse is one that's off to the side where it doesn't get in my way going from the parking lot to the first tee.
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Posted 16 October 2017 - 02:27 PM

Played at North Berwick a week or so ago - incredible clubhouse - check out the sign outside that sets the scene - Posted Image


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