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ABOUT TAYLORMADE M CCB IRONS With its new M CGB irons, TaylorMade sought to provide golfers with a high-end product that provides the performance of a super game-improvement iron, but doesn’t look like it’s the size of a woodshed. TaylorMade's Too Bystedt and his product development team also wanted to offer better sound and feel than super-GI golfers are used to.
That being the case, TaylorMade packed the M CGB irons with technologies from the company’s past, and a few new features as well, to make them the most forgiving and longest irons in the company’s stable.
Let's keep this thread open until members start posting.
Sooo stoked to try these out! I'm gonna take these out for my birthday round this weekend! Here is a quick unboxing and my first impressions:
First off, big thanks to Golfwrx and Taylormade for this special opportunity. I am very humbled and blessed to be able to participate with this.
So I came home to a nice box the other day. Coming home to a box from Amazon makes my day, but a box from TAYLORMADE just gave me girly giggle fits. I was probably one of the first to receive my boxes due to living in Southern California. Lucky me!
Opening the box, I was greeted by some super shiny and gorgeous sticks. To be honest, I did not think that I would find the irons aesthetically pleasing. I mean, looking at the pictures, nothing about these clubs looked traditional in any way, but that doesn’t mean they don’t look clean. The finish is second to none, and the finish looks extremely durable. Sure, if I was a single digit handicap, I would probably have some P790s or some MP-18s, but lets be real. I am pretty bad at golf (compared to the members here), and need all the help I can get.
The irons are unapologetically SGI, but in a very aesthetically pleasing manner in my opinion. There are so many elements to the club that stand out at first glance. There are slots all over the club. Even on the neck! I personally haven’t seen anything like that before. The thing is, it doesn’t seem like these features are gimmicks in any sense. Each piece of technology looks to serve a purpose. Face slots for a hotter face. Speed slots for higher launch on thin strikes. Tungsten weights to increase forgiveness on off-center hits. Fluted neck to save weight to redistribute elsewhere. Everywhere I look, there is help help and more help.
Thing is, at address all of this tech really fades away from view, except for the face slots of course. I really thought the slots would be distracting, but after a few swings, they just disappeared from my mind really. That’s the best part about the clubs to me though. The club at address is not obscene in any way. Sure, the topline is a bit thick, but the blade length is not obscenely longer than my srixons. In fact, the size of the heads are pretty similar. I read that Taylorade’s aim was to fit as much tech as possible into the heads while maintaining a standard head size. Taylormade, you win that battle. And, THEY ARE SO SHINEY WEEEEEE.
On the Range
Let’s take these babies for a spin! The best thing about hitting new irons is being able to see where your impact is on the face before it gets all marked up. I went through my usual routine, working my way through the bag from P and up. The first few balls I hit, I thought I hit pretty well. Then I looked at the face. Oh, those were toe bias hits. Thing is, the launch was still pretty decent, and I did not get the drastic toe draw that I would get with my other irons. The strikes that were nearly centered on the face slots, or a bit closer to center than the face slots, all went decently straight. After hitting a few more balls I looked at the face again. I seemed to be hitting them low on the face, maybe 2nd groove or so, but the launch was still acceptable. The shots should have really been low burners, but they ended up an acceptable launch, at maybe 2/3 the height or so of a normal shot, with more roll. Basically what I am trying to say is these things are forgiving! As long as you can get ball first contact, the result won't be that bad. I may sound like I am just heaping praise here, but it’s the truth.
The sound and feel were also definitely a pleasant surprise. Personally, I really love the buttery feeling of a flushed shot on a forged iron. Its why I played my MP 53 for so long, even though I clearly would never get my full potential out of them. These don’t have that buttery softness, but strikes were more pleasant than I had anticipated. How I would describe impact would be a solid, sort of clicky THWACK. My srixons and mizunos have a bit more of a subtle muted sound comparatively. I really thought the clubs would feel dead on impact, with a dull thud, but these sound great! Maybe, that’s the effect of the Geocoustics? I can’t say I understand what TM means by geocoustics, but I would imagine they tuned the sound like some auto manufacturers tune their exhaust sound to be more pleasing. Whatever they did, the clubs sound good and feel good on a flushed hit.
On the subject of a flushed hit, these strikes made the ball launch like a rocket. The clubs felt super hot. The height I was getting on shots was also extraordinary. For me, these clubs were about 7-10 yards longer. My usual 7 iron carry with my srixons is about 150 or so. I definitely had to adjust my yardages with the M CGBs. This actually seemed to work in my favor as I was able to incorporate the AW into my bag. The AW is basically my new pitching wedge, the 7 my new 6 iron etc. The best thing though is I was actually able to get the 4 iron up in the air in a decent flight. I had more confidence in that thing than my Titleist 712u, but the 712u is not an easy club to hit either. This is the first 4 iron that I can comfortably bag and pull for shots around 190 or so. Of course, on the long irons, you can see the back sticking out. This is probably a deal breaker for many, but in my mind it sort of gave me more confidence knowing there was so much meat to the club to help me out. That’s just personal preference. All in all, everything felt great, shots were going straight, and everything was getting airborne unless I skulled the ball horribly. Let’s go to the course!
On the Course
Well, I still suck at golf. Ultimately, a club can only help you if you are able to find the ball with the face first. I noticed a few things though. It seemed that during the 2 rounds I played, I didn’t really have as many low burning thin shots as I usually do. I attribute this to the sole slot and the club weighting. What surprised me the most is that on a few fat shots I had, the ball still went a lot farther than I would have expected. I would estimate that my fat shots went about 30 yards further than fat shots with my srixons or mizunos. Those shots go maybe 30 embarrassing yards and die. The club was still able to give the ball some energy despite hitting the ground first. That’s wonderful because that’s a miss I have with my irons. The most benefits I saw were of course with shots I knew I hit thin. Those shots ended up going a very respectable distance comparatively. Very very helpful. My gapping still needs some tweaking though. I airmailed a few greens when I flushed it, but damn those shots felt amazing. Even my player partners were impressed with the impact sound. Clean impact with these are a joy on the course, and whatever concerns I had about the looks really did become unnoticeable after a while. I didn’t score better than I usually do to be honest, but I attribute that to having a very poor driving day and an equally bad putting day (I’ll blame the patches of dead grass and sand on the greens for this one). However, I did hit the flag for the first time with a shot from the AW. Pinseeker!
So the ultimate question is, will these stay in the bag? For the foreseeable future, yes. To me, the clubs seem to offer help to my game, and with where my game has been lately, I still need the help. They look great in the bag, and great at the address after I got over the thick topline. I am thankfully pleasantly surprised, and this club really reversed any negative judgment I had about them before I received them. I am going to continue putting them through their paces and hopefully can get a better indicator of their contribution to my performance when I have a decent driving or putting day. SGIs make me feel so noob, but these look great, feel great, and just flat outperform.
If anyone is local to Southern California, and want to try these out, hit me up, and we can meet at a range somewhere. Just throwing that out there. If anyone has any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask! Thank you Golfwrx, Hipcheck, and Taylormade!
Edited by epyon, Today, 01:12 AM.
Cobra Bio Cell - AD DI 6s
Cobra F7 3w - AD DI 7s
Titleist 712u 3i Tour AD 95s
Titleist 712u 4i S300
Srixon 545 5-PW S300
Titleist SM4 52, 56, 60 - KBS Tour
Taylormade Itsy Bitsy DJ Black
Driver: TM 2017 M1 460 10.5 Graphite Design TP-6 X Fairway: TM 2016 M2 3/15* Graphite Design Tour AD TP-7 Stiff Hybrid: Open Driving Iron: TM P-790 4/23* Nippon Modus 105 S Irons: TM P-770 4-PW Nippon Modus 105 S Wedges: TM MG 50SB/54LB/58HB Modus 105 Putter: Toulon Garage Rochester 34", First of Madison #11/100 34", Garage Colts Blue Indianapolis 34" Ball: TM TP5
First off, a big thanks to GolfWRX and TaylorMade! This is gonna be a lot of fun to review, and I cannot wait to hit these irons!
My box came in today, so here we go!
Full Set Wrapped 4-AW
7-Iron Comparison Shots: Ping G vs Cobra F7 One vs M-CGB
As you can see the Cobra F7 is a lot smaller than the other two clubs, so I removed the Cobra for the next few shots
PW Comparisons: Ping G vs M-CGB
4-Iron Comparison Shots: Ping G vs M-CGB
One last shot of the set in the bag
Out of the box here are my thoughts:
A lot of folks were saying these things were huge! Well they aren't small, but I guess I never realized how chunky my Ping G's were. The Ping's never really bothered me, so I don't think the M-CGB size is a put off (at least for me). I believe the G's were GI irons (G-Max is SGI?), and M-CGB is a SGI iron, yet they are almost identical in size. So don't let the SGI label put you off.
As you can see different angles make the M-CGB look bigger or smaller. Top line and Sole they look rather chunky, although I do think TM has done a good job on hiding the chunk at address. From the face and CB angles, they don't look that bad at all to me. But really, address is all that really matters, right?
I know there were some complaints about looks in the initial M-CGB post in this sub forum, but I personally really like the looks of these clubs. The cavity does have a lot going on, but these irons really scream of high quality to me. Maybe it's the shiny chrome that is just catching my eye? I am a sucker for some bling.
I did not get a chance to swing these yet, ever in the backyard. The shafts do feel lighter than my PX 6.0's on the Ping G's. Unfortunately I got home tonight after work and was happy to see a TM box, but not even 5 minutes later I got a work call and had to drive ~1 hour back to work for an outage. The good news with that is, I will hopefully get to leave early tomorrow 10/14 and either hit the range or squeeze a quick round in! Worst case, I will be playing on Saturday 10/15, and will be able to post my initial thoughts on these with some real swings under my belt.
Please let me know if you guys would like to see any other specific pictures! I figured doing the 4, 7, and W would be a good start.
I'm grateful to Golfwrx and TaylorMade for the opportunity to review these irons. Since I live in the southeast, I will be receiving my clubs a little later than other reviewers so I thought I would share a loft comparison chart. Much has been said in recent years of the stronger lofts in today's irons but you can see the M CGB irons are pretty comparable to the Callaway X Hots that I've had for several years now. I do hope for a little higher ball fight to help with holding some of the firm greens here in the south.
Driver: G30 Driver 9* with TFC 419D 3-Wood: G25 5-Wood: Big Bertha Ti (2005) 18* Hybrid: G25 20* Irons: X-Hot irons 4-SW with XP 95 S300 Wedge: X Tour Chrome PM 60* Putter: Si2 Black 32" Ball: Pro V1X
Played a round on Saturday and these performed as expected. Pretty much on par with my Ping G's so far. I'm hitting the 8 iron ~145, 7i ~165, 6i ~175. I still don't understand why I have such a big yardage gap between 8i and 7i, but this is my third set of stronger lofted clubs now that I have this problem. Hit two GIR's with the 8iron pin high, just a little offline. Very predictable yardage. Still getting used to them and want to get a few more rounds in before I do a more detailed review. Also, I need to change out the grips as I'm just not digging the stock TM grips. I'll be putting on my tried and true Winn DriTac Midsize hopefully this week. I tracked all my shot with FunGolf GPS on Saturday, so I have lots of statistical data. Did not hit the 4, 5, or 9 irons during my round. I shot a 93, but my group wanted to play the forward tees (for whatever reason), so I was hitting a lot of 56deg wedge shots. I even drove the green on a 300 yard par 4. I putted horribly which is very unlike me. Could have easily been in the 80's, which is really good for me as a current 20.3 HCP.
More to follow...
Also Rick Shiels did his review on the M-CGB, and was pleasantly surprised.
Two Perspectives On One Set of Great Looking SGI Irons (Mine and an Instagram perspective from the M CGB's themselves)
Excerpts from my new M CGB’s Instagram account-
9/11/2017 – So stoked Just got the news. Five of us M CGB irons sets here at Taylormade are going to lucky members on the GolfWRX forum! I wonder which member I will be sent to.
9/28/2017 – Just found out I’m going to Dpavs! What’s a Dpavs?
10/10/2017 – At the Fedex shipping station and omw to Michigan.
10/16/2017 – It was a long trip but I arrived at Dpavs house today. Anxious to sample the local fare of courses!
Dpavs first looks-
If you are a blade kind of person who likes narrow soles, very little offset and the very simple kind of look, you need not apply for the M CGB's as the M CGB is a club designed, head to toe, to walk to the beat of a different drummer. Make no mistake, this is an SGI club and it hits all the SGI club buttons with style and then some.
The first thing I note as I unwrap the M CGB's is that these clubs are some drop dead gorgeous SGI irons. A rich chrome coating covers most of the club and is nicely set off against black filled slots and gray lined face. The appearance of tungsten weights stay true to the original CGB design.
Even the badging stands out in a good way. The carbon fiber insert is framed in chrome and really pops without looking garish in anyway. Making up the balance is a simple black and silver Taylormade Geocoustic sound badge.
The fluted hosel and filled heel slot may throw some but it grew on me the more I looked the clubs over. I think it adds just one more vibe that reaffirms that Taylormade has thrown every technical advancement in their armory into the M CGB's.
Technology, did I mention the technology. It oozes from every pore of the M CGB's. Geocoustic technology for sound and feel, sole, toe and face slots to help with wayward strikes. lots of tungsten and other weight placed low and back to promote higher trajectory and better spin rates and while you can't see the tech it all of this is crowned with light weight shafts to promote faster swing speeds and an ultra thin (sub 2mm) high cor face. Taylormade indicates that each iron from 4 through PW is designed with a COR of at least 0.805, hence a bag full of drivers! One look is all it takes to know that there is no shortage of technology here.
The one club that does not have any slot technology, sole or face, is the A Wedge. It will be interesting to compare it's feel to the rest of the clubs.
The top lines and soles are wide but no wider than the original R7 CGB Max. Prior to receiving the M CGB's I was visiting a nearby shop and a gent who was looking over the new CGB's was there. It so happened that he was still playing the original R7 CGB Max's and had one with him. It was too bad I did not have my phone or camera with me at the time but in looking over the two the topline, sole, and face all looked extremely similar. I could not discern any difference in size at all really. If anything the orignal R7 Max CGB's may have had a very slightly thinner top line but if so it was neglible and hardly worth mentioning. The picture below shows the top lines for the 4i, 7i and AW from left to right.
I did do a bit of back ground checking to see how the new M CGB's compare spec wise to the R7 CGB Max's.
Caught a glimpse of some fairways but I never knew there were so many trees on a golf course!
Btw, I kept hearing this every now and then what the heck does fore left mean anyway?
First An Admission
I am not really a thick chunky club kind of guy historically. Not that I haven’t gamed SGI clubs in the past, including the ancestor to the M CGB’s the R7 CGB Max’s, but in the past few years I have tried SGI clubs only to walk away feeling like I simply did not benefit enough from them to warrant sacrificing the thinner club profile and look I was more drawn to. Still I am definitely looking for more help in my irons so I set out determined to keep an open mind. Besides, the M CGB’s, despite their thickness here and there, are pretty dang good looking club in my opinion.
I started the day with a trip to the range in order to better familiarize myself with the M CGB's, how they felt, flew and so on. I’m not really sure what was going on at the range but I was struggling to catch the M CGB 6-9 irons cleanly. Maybe this is because the M CGB’s felt a bit odd to me at first. I am not sure if this was due to the lighter swing weights, or if I was focusing too much on the look behind the ball or the extra length but something was just not clicking. No matter what was going on, my first 15 shots were well behind the ball, which is not something I usually struggle with. If anything, I tend to start out by hitting some thin shots during a range session so this was not something I expected. Two of the clubs I hit at the range were definite exceptions. Those were the 4i and the AW. I had immediate rapport with these two clubs. The 4 iron was launching high, long and straight and landing softly; Very hybrid like. While I have not had great luck with thicker looking wedges, I found the AW extremely easy to hit either full or partials shots with. Things did get better as I finished warming up and giving the clubs a good first try, but I have to admit I moved over the course in trepidation as to what I was going to experience there.
To The Course!
I should start out by indicating that it was very windy day. The wind was gusting anywhere from 20 – 30 mph, which made guessing what club to use a bit dicey to say the least. The round started with a routine tee shot to the left side of the fairway leaving me 257 yards in to the green. I decided not to use any of my hybrids or fairways for the round and stick to nothing but my driver and CGB’s for the round so I pulled out the 4 iron. I had experienced some success with it at the range so it I felt pretty good about using it first. The results were as promised, a clean high shot traveling around 185 against a crosswind. 72 left now to the green so it was time for a knock down pitching wedge. Surprise, surprise. For whatever reason right from this shot, I started hitting the M CGB consistently well! I have no idea what changed but it was a night and day difference. Perhaps I simply started focusing on other things and was more focused on playing each stroke on the hole as to club selection, line etc. About 3 holes in I was really enjoying the CGB’s and the results they were giving me. For the balance of the day, under varying winds, I was experiencing shots like a pin high 7 iron from 148, a 205 yard 4 iron to the front of the green and soaring 5 iron over the left edge of a bank of trees landing softly on the left side of the green. I am not really a great worker of the ball and rely mostly on just taking the straight route to the green. That said, I did try varying the shots a bit and was able to play a knockdown where needed here or there and was able to produce a bit of a cut shot on an attempt to do so. I am not a drawer of the ball but the one shot I can pull off most of the time is am exaggerated low draw, which I normally use to keep from hitting into the branches of a tree I have wandered under. I did try to do so once and had moderately effective results doing so. The CGB’s want to go straight, make no mistake about that and while they are not built for it, you can work them a bit if you need to I would say. I honestly had not expected the kind of results I was getting from the M CGB’s. As the round concluded, it occurred to me that not only had I grown very comfortable with them but also I was actually enjoying every shot I took with them. The reason was not hard to understand; shot after shot (barring my own “loft”) the CGB’s were consistently easy to hit and were very predictable as to results I would get. Walking off the course I was smiling and thinking to myself… these may very well stay right in the bag where they are!
(Nice dogleg left 477 par 5, second shot was a 4 iron yielding 185 against a crosswind blowing left and in.
(175 yd par 3 over the pond sand along the back and both sides. Normally this is a hybrid for me. Used the 4 iron again straight into the wind and landed pin high about 15 feet left of the flag)
(Approach from 95, knock down 9 iron into the wind again ended up at the back of the green on the first cut)
Rounding It Up
I really enjoyed my first round with the M CGB’s. It very well just might be the start of a beautiful relationship. I am planning to get out for a second round this weekend so I am anxious to see if I feel the same way with two rounds with them under my belt. One thing is for certain, the 4 iron and maybe the 5 are staying in the bag. To me they are very hybrid like in nature but with the ability to be more adaptable for knockdowns, partial shots, etc. I actually had one 5 iron shot which hit the green jump back about 4 inches. I never would have expected that kind of result from and SGI club. Overall, I felt like the distances I was getting were very good but I really can’t say for certain or compare the CGB’s to anything else because of the wind conditions during my play. Understanding that feel is very subjective and personal I thought they felt very decent indeed and were never harsh at all. Albeit they were not forged soft or anything of that nature but pleasantly soft just the same especially for a cast club. I don’t know if the soft feel is a product of the face slots or the 450SS steel, the Geocoustic engineering or thinner faces, but it was a very welcome part of the CGB’s profile. Another thing I noticed is that with some other clubs, cast and forged alike, I have found it difficult to discern feel from sound. This was not the case with the M CGB’s. It was very easy to separate what to me was actual feel and what was sound or at least it seemed that way. While the feels was a touch muted and soft over the most of the face the sound was lightly crisp, eggshell like in nature. The combination of the two was something I really like about them. I have always equated that kind of sound to making a pure strike… so whether in fact I was or not I felt like I was flushing almost every shot.
As I have already said despite the thick look to the topline and sole, I really like the look of the CGB’s. They scream technology and they deliver. If there were anything I would say negative about them at all so far is it would be the hosels. I am not a fan of the fluting and wish they were more traditional looking. I found the dual feel Winn grips a welcome part of the club. To me they were very similar in nature to the golf pride 360’s and if anything maybe a touch firmer but then firm grips are something I gravitate to anyway. The light weight Nippon NS Pro 840 seemed well paired to the M CGB’s. This pairing produces a club with a swing weight of D0 according to Taylormade and it was easy to sense that they felt light and easy to swing. While I had no way of measuring it I did wonder if I had picked up a few mph’s club head speed. Either way swinging them was as effortless as I have experience with the more modern graphite shafts. If you are looking for a club that can provide a bit of extra distance and forgiveness and don’t mind a no holds barred high tech look and a bit of thickness here and there, then these are some sticks you really need to try out. In short, the M CGB’s are easily recommendable if for no other reason than they feel so much better than everything else I have tried let alone for the ease of play and consistency of results I have seen so far. They are certainly changing my mind about SGI clubs and they may well change yours.
Got my clubs today. Posted some pictures and initial thoughts in Post #4 above. Enjoy all!
P.S. Please excuse the dirty clubs and garage.
Im interested in comparisons to the G.
I posted some initial thoughts above, and pictures. They are very comparable so far. I donít want to make any premature statements as Iíve only gotten one round with the m-CGBs. One or two more rounds and Iíll post a more detailed review.
First of all I want to thank GolfWrx for creating a great place for golf nuts and Taylormade Golf for the awesome opportunity.
I think by now everyone has seen the great pictures and unboxings already posted. You guys out did yourselves. Rather than post some more of the same. I will just post a video of some shots I hit my first night out with these sticks on the range.
Well boys it's late so for right now I will keep it short and sweet.
If you asked me to describe these clubs in one sentence... It's the best of both worlds, a mechanical looking Game Improvement iron that feels and sounds like a players iron.
I will get on later this weekend and give some more initial impressions and more insight as I take these to the course and the launch monitor for some numbers. Curious to see how the stack up against my current Cobras.
Thanks again Golfwrx and Taylormade
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