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Does Tiger Woods need golf more than golf needs Tiger Woods?


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#31 bscinstnct

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:10 AM

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:45 AM

Watch what happens to the senior tour in the coming years..................and when Tiger shows up!........... :partytime2: :rockon:

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:48 AM

I don't think TW will play the Champions/Senior tour.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:09 AM

One thing is for sure--everyone else definitely knows what Tiger needs more than he does. We also know his odds of winning again, etc. Since clearly our knowledge of what it takes to be a champion golfer exceeds his.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:12 AM

View PostBomber_11, on 21 September 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

I don't think TW will play the Champions/Senior tour.

You may be correct, but with all that time to heal and that competitive nature and the new arrivals that may / should join that tour, it would a heck of a show.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:55 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 21 September 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 21 September 2017 - 05:44 AM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 20 September 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

Who tf knows, just another click bait piece of "journalism" - not worthy of the read.



Just like those two I saw last week on Golfguytalking.com:


"Is Jordan Spieth going bald or is he just growing into his forehead?"


"Do extraordinarily high apex tournament golf shots cause fans to accidentally burn their retinas by looking at the sun and, if so, is the PGA and USGA responsible to provide special glasses, or at the very least a warning, or should there be a limit to golf shot height? "


exactly.....exactly..... todays media and millenial fan has no clue what a player like Tiger would do to todays fields....   they are worried about the amount of charge on their phones, and whether or not Rickie Fowler has anew tatoo and if its spelled correctly... i want to see him come back and just make 1 run... just 1 -2 year run where he shows them what a Player looks like.... what it looks like when its the same gy kicking your a** every week. not todays "turn taking" weekly winners.....

  Now im not dillusional.. i know its not likely, but theres no arguing that it wouldnt be great for the game , and great to raise the level of competiton...

I agree, would love to see this happen. Then he retires while he's on Top, right after beating Jack :)
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:02 AM

The problem with Tiger is he got way too much of what he wanted over the years.
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:24 AM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.

Phil might be mopping floors, but it won't be with Tiger. Then again, who thought Irwin and Langer would be the Tigers of the senior set?

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:43 AM

On some level, I believe Tiger does need golf more than golf needs him...Or else, why go through the back surgery rehab for the 4th time with an eye on returning to golf?  Why post videos of yourself chipping with an implied intent of another attempted "comeback"?  If he wanted to ride off quietly into the sunset, he could.

A few years ago when he went down with the first back injury (2013?) I thought golf needed Tiger more than he needed golf, but there have been some really great players that have taken center stage for the PGA Tour and have shown that the game of golf is in great shape from a marketing and players' "star power" perspective!

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 07:47 AM

People remember Tiger at his best, dominating the Tour, that's what they want back but the Tour has changed and I'm not sure a 100% healthy Tiger still has the skills to keep up with the young guns.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:03 AM

I'd like to see him retire...I don't think he'll be anywhere near the player he was before and I'm getting tired of hoping for the best during his comebacks only to be let down by his performance or injuries.

be like jeter....he made his bank, built his house and now he's livin' the retired life.  

plus, i'd like to still be able to say i witnessed tiger's last major championship victory in person at torrey pines :)

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:11 AM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.


Someone always needs to mention Phil.  

Phil will NEVER approach the elite game status of TIGER on any tour, in any era or under any terms or conditions.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:13 AM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 22 September 2017 - 07:47 AM, said:

People remember Tiger at his best, dominating the Tour, that's what they want back but the Tour has changed and I'm not sure a 100% healthy Tiger still has the skills to keep up with the young guns.


100% Tiger: no such thing.     The best we will see again is 90% Tiger.  

10% was dismantled and disposed of by the press, doctors and lawyers.


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:16 AM

View PostFerguson, on 22 September 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.


Someone always needs to mention Phil.  

Phil will NEVER approach the elite game status of TIGER on any tour, in any era or under any terms or conditions.

Not to derail the thread further than it has been but without Tiger, Phil would have been the elite player of those years and would have likely won at least 3 more Majors.  As it stands today, Phil will go down as one of the best.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 09:18 AM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 22 September 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

View PostFerguson, on 22 September 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.


Someone always needs to mention Phil.  

Phil will NEVER approach the elite game status of TIGER on any tour, in any era or under any terms or conditions.

Not to derail the thread further than it has been but without Tiger, Phil would have been the elite player of those years and would have likely won at least 3 more Majors.  As it stands today, Phil will go down as one of the best.


Phil is a great player and had every chance to unseat Tiger during "those years."    He fell short on too many occasions.


20 YEARS FROM NOW:

Should Phil be spoken of as one of the game's greatest players?  YES.
Should Phil be ranked with up there with Jack and The Tiger - HELL NO.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:14 AM

Tiger needs golf more than golf needs Tiger, 100% in my book.  

Tour is in a great spot right now with all sorts of Talent, seem to be doing just fine without him.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 10:47 AM

Both.  He loves the competition and people love to see him succeed and/or fail.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:35 AM

View Postyoungwaldo, on 22 September 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

Both.  He loves the competition and people love to see him succeed and/or fail.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:49 AM

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People remember Tiger at his best, dominating the Tour, that's what they want back but the Tour has changed and I'm not sure a 100% healthy Tiger still has the skills to keep up with the young guns.

If Tiger had his skills, today's so-called stars wouldn't stand a chance. That's a statistical fact. Unfortunately, he'll never return to his prime.  IMO, like to see him play some exhibitions or a version of the Skins Game, while preparing for the Champions Tour.  But he stopped listening to me a long time ago.
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 11:52 AM

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View PostFerguson, on 22 September 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.


Someone always needs to mention Phil.  

Phil will NEVER approach the elite game status of TIGER on any tour, in any era or under any terms or conditions.

Not to derail the thread further than it has been but without Tiger, Phil would have been the elite player of those years and would have likely won at least 3 more Majors.  As it stands today, Phil will go down as one of the best.

Phil has also committed suicide many times during championships. And how do we know he could have handled being #1?  Look at today's musical chairs of #1 players. No, Phil never even dominated 2nd place. He is one of the many greats who are looking up at Jack and Tiger.
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:08 PM

View PostTim Schoch, on 22 September 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postnew2g0lf, on 22 September 2017 - 08:16 AM, said:

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View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.


Someone always needs to mention Phil.  

Phil will NEVER approach the elite game status of TIGER on any tour, in any era or under any terms or conditions.

Not to derail the thread further than it has been but without Tiger, Phil would have been the elite player of those years and would have likely won at least 3 more Majors.  As it stands today, Phil will go down as one of the best.

Phil has also committed suicide many times during championships. And how do we know he could have handled being #1?  Look at today's musical chairs of #1 players. No, Phil never even dominated 2nd place. He is one of the many greats who are looking up at Jack and Tiger.

Definitely would agree with what you say here.  

I'd really like to see Phil play the Champions Tour, but really wonder if it interests him enough to put in the effort (same for Tiger). As for my comment about Phil mopping the floor with Tiger--- it was obviously meant to be funny smack talk.  Truth is that both have health issues and right now Tigers are certainly more limiting.  Time is often the great equalizer, Tiger perhaps gets better enough to complete and Phil goes strong while in his 50's and they slug it out for a few years on the Champs tour.  If neither can be competitive, either limited by health or motivation, then we won't see much of them on the Champions tour.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:41 PM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 22 September 2017 - 07:47 AM, said:

People remember Tiger at his best, dominating the Tour, that's what they want back but the Tour has changed and I'm not sure a 100% healthy Tiger still has the skills to keep up with the young guns.
50% Tiger won 5 times four years ago.  I reluctantly will acknowledge I don't believe it will happen but if healthy and the desire is back he would win on tour again.  Dominate is another question as I don't think he would be 100% and over 40 year olds rarely dominate on tour in any era.
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:48 PM

That posed question, only Tiger can answer. If he had been just an average tour pro,  the question would not be posed.
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:55 PM

Without golf there'd be no Tiger. He needs it, in theory more than it needs him Golf was here before him: rest assured it will be here after him. Did he make it more popular? Yes. So did Arnie. Every sport booms and busts....and repeats

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:03 PM

Tiger is an ultra competitive person. He was driven to be the best and arguably made it there. Once you reach the top there is no where to go but down. When someone is as competitive and driven as he is that is a very hard adjustment to make. You can see it in other sports where leaders start to run into life issues or make poor choices. I believe he still has an ability to compete, but not to dominate. If he can get his mental game to where it needs to be.

The other issue is tiger dominated in the 90's. A time when sports were changing. The 90's brought big money in to all sports. The expansion of Tv and the internet gave everyone access. Kids now spent more time than ever dedicated to becoming superstars. Because of this, the talent level across the board has been brought up. I firmly believe it is why you will no longer see someone dominate any sport like has been done in the past.

So to the original question Tiger needs a focus. Maybe it's golf maybe it's something else. Golf doesn't need Tiger, but it would probably give it a small boost for a short time.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:13 PM

View PostFerguson, on 22 September 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 21 September 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

We we are in two camps.  1, what we hope will happen and we'd like to see.  2, what we realistically think might happen.  

1, Tiger comes roaring back for a short time, wins a few times and humiliates the "young guns," then goes out in style.
2, Tiger announces his retirement

IMO...he's hoping to compete again, but even if he can't, it is too early to retire. If he can get in shape by the time he's 50, he wants to eat the Champions Tour and all its records alive.
Then again Phil may mop the floor with Tiger on the champions tour.


Someone always needs to mention Phil.  

Phil will NEVER approach the elite game status of TIGER on any tour, in any era or under any terms or conditions.

Wrong Fergie. In Tiger's era Phil was second in tour wins. He won 4 of his 5 majors in said era. Nobody else even comes close by comparison.

He not only approached the elite status, he assembled a hall of fame career during the run of arguably the most dominant player who has and will ever play the game.

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