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Does Tiger Woods need golf more than golf needs Tiger Woods?


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#1 Need4spd

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:53 PM

This question was posed by Golf.com on Twitter this afternoon. Interesting little two minute piece posted with it. Although I'm not too familiar with the analyst in the video I thought he was very well spoken and thought provoking.

Edited by Need4spd, 20 September 2017 - 08:02 PM.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:57 PM

I genuinely believe time away from golf and the lime light is best for Tiger. Just let him have something close to a normal life.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:07 PM

No one knows for sure. Golf is doing ok and surviving at the pro level, so it will be fine.

Tiger deserves a normal life for a change. Time away could be nice for him. But if he's truly capable of appreciating and enjoying it no one knows
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:23 PM

Aaawwww jeeez........let let Tiger RIP

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:29 PM

He needs winning golf more than golf needs him.  All he knows.


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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:32 PM

If he is able to lead as normal of a life as he can at this point outside of the limelight and outside of golf, then good on him. Golf isn't going to go away because he isn't playing. There may be less interest in it at the professional level from people who don't actually play the game like when Tiger was in his prime, but it's not going to die as so many have predicted.

To put it simply, an obviously this is only my opinion, no, Tiger doesn't need golf, and no golf doesn't need Tiger. We will keep talking about all the things we talk about on here, the recreational golfer will find a new person or people to follow, and the various professional tours are going to keep making money.
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:43 PM

Well, seeing how golf is best suited for taking naps these days

Id say, the latter

But there was a time

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:45 PM

Time to accept it:  Posted Image

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:48 PM

No idea about Tiger the person other than the picture of him holding that giant lobster, which seemed like a pretty good way to live.  The question is whether the competitive fire still burns as hot.  Does he, at 42, want to spend the hours and days grinding to find a way to be competitive with his compromised body?  Can his body stand the work?  Golf, as a sport and game, is in a fine place with all the good young players out there today.  Golf doesn't need Tiger, and I suspect Tiger doesn't need golf.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:50 PM

Yes. I believe he doesn't know how to be a regular person since he was raised to basically be the greatest golfer ever and he's not anymore.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:54 PM

I am reading "The Fine Green Line: My Year of Golf Adventure on the Pro-Golf Mini-Tours" by John Newport.  

He meets Ivan Lendl at a mini-tour event in Florida where IL shoots 73/83.  They discuss whether IL is trying to get good enough to go on to the PGA Tour.  Lendl admits that he isn't nor will ever be good enough to play at the highest level, but he has "competitiveness" in his blood and has to be in an environment which allows him the rush that tennis used to give him.

Tiger may be in the same boat.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:54 PM

Tiger thread!







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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:55 PM

Neither. They both just need to move on.
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 08:57 PM

Who tf knows, just another click bait piece of "journalism" - not worthy of the read.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:15 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 20 September 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

Who tf knows, just another click bait piece of "journalism" - not worthy of the read.

Forums like this need more folks like yourself. Quality post.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:23 PM

Only Tiger knows how much he misses golf or needs it in his life.  If his abuse / addiction to drugs is a result from being away from golf then I'd say he needs golf more than golf needs him.  

As for golf, no one moves the needle like Tiger did and to some degree does.  He's a legend of the game that many feel was cheated out of fulfilling his true potential due to character flaws and the death of his father.  We all would welcome a healthy and determined Tiger back to golf and hope that he could make another run at Jack's records.  

What I believe hurts golf most is the indecision of Tiger to retire or come back.  It's like repeatedly ripping the scab off of a bad wound.  Just as we start to get people excited about the young golfers on the Tour, Tiger does a press conference or a photo shoot and suddenly everyone stops talking about the young stars and the conversation is focused on Tiger and his ability to come back.
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:05 PM

I think someone as fiery as him needs some competitive goals in his life.  I don't think it's a question of who needs who more, but rather how can he keep a sense of accomplishment and being able to work towards it.  Or else (pure speculation) we could see more of the sad stories with substance abuse etc.  it's easy to slip that way if you don't have meaningful work (and a ton of cash).

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:46 PM

He could be quietly sitting out a suspension enforced by the PGA for substance abuse. They will never say and we may never know.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:46 PM

I grew up in the Arnie-->Jack era.  Also, Superman and Batman comics, etc., "Combat" and "The Untouchables" on TV.  I grew up knowing that somewhere out there are bigger than life heroes.

Tiger stepped in and roared louder than anyone ever has. Now that he's silent, no one is roaring. I hear faint growls or tummy rumbles, but that's it. Today, golf has a normal cast of characters, none really bullying anyone else, some better than others, but sometimes I think a good sandwich might be more thrilling. Whether Tiger comes back or not doesn't really matter, since he'll never dominate again.

Without a hero, we need to rely on week-to-week drama, no matter who is in contention. We need to love golf and a fight to the finish.  But a fight among kittens isn't the same as a feeding frenzy of Tiger. Me, I need an a** kicker.

Which is why the long drive championship gets my vote to expand bigtime....and daytime....and expand beyond drivers.  200 yard sand wedges anyone?

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:50 PM

Never look back.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 04:12 AM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 20 September 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

Only Tiger knows how much he misses golf or needs it in his life.  If his abuse / addiction to drugs is a result from being away from golf then I'd say he needs golf more than golf needs him.  

As for golf, no one moves the needle like Tiger did and to some degree does.  He's a legend of the game that many feel was cheated out of fulfilling his true potential due to character flaws and the death of his father.  We all would welcome a healthy and determined Tiger back to golf and hope that he could make another run at Jack's records.  

What I believe hurts golf most is the indecision of Tiger to retire or come back.  It's like repeatedly ripping the scab off of a bad wound.  Just as we start to get people excited about the young golfers on the Tour, Tiger does a press conference or a photo shoot and suddenly everyone stops talking about the young stars and the conversation is focused on Tiger and his ability to come back.
I really see no one outside of golfwrx and some golf centric news sources talking about Tiger any more except for his dui. Most have moved on.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:44 AM

View PostHawkeye77, on 20 September 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

Who tf knows, just another click bait piece of "journalism" - not worthy of the read.



Just like those two I saw last week on Golfguytalking.com:


"Is Jordan Spieth going bald or is he just growing into his forehead?"


"Do extraordinarily high apex tournament golf shots cause fans to accidentally burn their retinas by looking at the sun and, if so, is the PGA and USGA responsible to provide special glasses, or at the very least a warning, or should there be a limit to golf shot height? "

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:46 AM

Tiger desperately needs golf.  The DUI arrest was a crushing blow.  I predict that by this time next year, we'll be hearing that Tiger's foundation is in trouble.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:30 AM

View PostFerguson, on 21 September 2017 - 05:44 AM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 20 September 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

Who tf knows, just another click bait piece of "journalism" - not worthy of the read.



Just like those two I saw last week on Golfguytalking.com:


"Is Jordan Spieth going bald or is he just growing into his forehead?"


"Do extraordinarily high apex tournament golf shots cause fans to accidentally burn their retinas by looking at the sun and, if so, is the PGA and USGA responsible to provide special glasses, or at the very least a warning, or should there be a limit to golf shot height? "


exactly.....exactly..... todays media and millenial fan has no clue what a player like Tiger would do to todays fields....   they are worried about the amount of charge on their phones, and whether or not Rickie Fowler has anew tatoo and if its spelled correctly... i want to see him come back and just make 1 run... just 1 -2 year run where he shows them what a Player looks like.... what it looks like when its the same gy kicking your a** every week. not todays "turn taking" weekly winners.....

  Now im not dillusional.. i know its not likely, but theres no arguing that it wouldnt be great for the game , and great to raise the level of competiton...
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:50 AM

View PostPGArox, on 20 September 2017 - 10:50 PM, said:

Never look back.

Why not?  Isn't history how we judge the present?  I think what you mean is "You can never go back."  Which is true, at least today.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:41 AM

View PostTim Schoch, on 21 September 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

View PostPGArox, on 20 September 2017 - 10:50 PM, said:

Never look back.

Why not?  Isn't history how we judge the present?  I think what you mean is "You can never go back."  Which is true, at least today.

Perhaps what I meant was don't pine for yesterday.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:15 AM

if you think golf is popular now...imagine a scenario...Tiger comes back and wins two majors in a row...at some point...there are dormant fans who will rise up from dormancy.  other than that...both need each other.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:36 AM

I don't think Tiger's body will allow him the practice and training that it would require to get back to the top.

And I don't think he has any interest in playing if he isn't at a level that can win tournaments.

Therefore I don't think we'll ever see him playing a full schedule again on the PGA Tour. If he can stay healthy he may play a Stricker-like schedule of 10-15 tournaments a year to try and avoid overuse and injury.

That way he can show good form and be chosen for Ryder Cups and Presidents Cups, because I know it bugs him to miss team events like those. He thrives on the camaraderie and us vs. them mentality.

He likely sees that through course development, youth camps, and his foundation he can help in many ways, while still enjoying his children's early lives.

Golf would love to have him back, he'd love to have winning golf back, but I'd be surprised if Tiger wins on tour again. And I'm among the bigger TW fans you'll ever meet.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:58 AM

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I don't think Tiger's body will allow him the practice and training that it would require to get back to the top.

And I don't think he has any interest in playing if he isn't at a level that can win tournaments.


Therefore I don't think we'll ever see him playing a full schedule again on the PGA Tour. If he can stay healthy he may play a Stricker-like schedule of 10-15 tournaments a year to try and avoid overuse and injury.

That way he can show good form and be chosen for Ryder Cups and Presidents Cups, because I know it bugs him to miss team events like those. He thrives on the camaraderie and us vs. them mentality.

He likely sees that through course development, youth camps, and his foundation he can help in many ways, while still enjoying his children's early lives.

Golf would love to have him back, he'd love to have winning golf back, but I'd be surprised if Tiger wins on tour again. And I'm among the bigger TW fans you'll ever meet.

I tend to agree. With the resources available to him, he needs to search far and wide for a possible solution that *could* enable him to attain the physical form required to compete at the pro level. I'm not sure if "western" ideas of physical training are on target here.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:07 AM

View Postbscinstnct, on 21 September 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

View PostBomber_11, on 21 September 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

I don't think Tiger's body will allow him the practice and training that it would require to get back to the top.

And I don't think he has any interest in playing if he isn't at a level that can win tournaments.


Therefore I don't think we'll ever see him playing a full schedule again on the PGA Tour. If he can stay healthy he may play a Stricker-like schedule of 10-15 tournaments a year to try and avoid overuse and injury.

That way he can show good form and be chosen for Ryder Cups and Presidents Cups, because I know it bugs him to miss team events like those. He thrives on the camaraderie and us vs. them mentality.

He likely sees that through course development, youth camps, and his foundation he can help in many ways, while still enjoying his children's early lives.

Golf would love to have him back, he'd love to have winning golf back, but I'd be surprised if Tiger wins on tour again. And I'm among the bigger TW fans you'll ever meet.

I tend to agree. With the resources available to him, he needs to search far and wide for a possible solution that *could* enable him to attain the physical form required to compete at the pro level. I'm not sure if "western" ideas of physical training are on target here.

Need to with some

Shaolin monk style stuff

Be like


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what's a monk doing wearing polyester pants, and shoes with closed cell polyurethane soles?


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