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#1 heavy_hitter

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

Posting this here because this question is posted a lot.  Should be posted in the general golf section as well.

All golfers, play the correct tees for a ton more fun and better scores that match your ability. Golf courses are set up way too long on a regular basis. It does not matter what color the tees are! Repost from @stooksburygolf

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:26 PM

Nice! I like that chart another rule of thumb I heard was to multiply 5 iron distance by 36 to get an estimation as well. Then not only will you be playing appropriate distances, but hitting similar clubs into greens as your playing partners

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 11:21 AM

I assume this has to do with the length of approach shots more than anything else.  Assuming most golfers are 9 iron x 2 = driver distance what iron would you expect to be hitting into greens with these distances?

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 01:02 PM

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Makes sense, although then it begs the question: what are "average" driver distances (for each age group)?


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 01:05 PM

View PostCTgolf, on 27 September 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Makes sense, although then it begs the question: what are "average" driver distances (for each age group)?

I can only speak for boys 7's.  My son hits driver anywhere from 140 - 160 depending on roll out.  I feel like he is average in terms of length.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 01:09 PM

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Play SCPGA Players Tour... Driver, 3W and then wedge so you can one putt for par.  Most par fours are all over 300 yards.  Nine at Woodley was playing 372 for the 9-11 year old boys.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 01:34 PM

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Play SCPGA Players Tour... Driver, 3W and then wedge so you can one putt for par.  Most par fours are all over 300 yards.  Nine at Woodley was playing 372 for the 9-11 year old boys.

That's the next step.  Played a few tournaments in Coachella Valley and it is hard to step away from the country club circuit at cheaper rates.  :)

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:08 PM

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Play SCPGA Players Tour... Driver, 3W and then wedge so you can one putt for par.  Most par fours are all over 300 yards.  Nine at Woodley was playing 372 for the 9-11 year old boys.

95%+ of all 9 year olds will not be on in 2 on a 372 yard Par 4.

Was Proud of my kid yesterday.  Driver 3 iron to a 400 yard Par 4 playing upwind yesterday.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:14 PM

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

View PostCTgolf, on 27 September 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Makes sense, although then it begs the question: what are "average" driver distances (for each age group)?

I can only speak for boys 7's.  My son hits driver anywhere from 140 - 160 depending on roll out.  I feel like he is average in terms of length.

Did you notice when at Pinehurst that he was a few yards shorter than in Cali? Kind of lucky because it wasn't that humid up there this time of year.


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:18 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Play SCPGA Players Tour... Driver, 3W and then wedge so you can one putt for par.  Most par fours are all over 300 yards.  Nine at Woodley was playing 372 for the 9-11 year old boys.

95%+ of all 9 year olds will not be on in 2 on a 372 yard Par 4.

Was Proud of my kid yesterday.  Driver 3 iron to a 400 yard Par 4 playing upwind yesterday.

Yep and our coach loves it that way.  Kids gotta learn to rip it if they want a chance and having to chip or pitch on develops those skills even further.

Still cracks me up that your kid plays a 3 iron.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:28 PM

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Play SCPGA Players Tour... Driver, 3W and then wedge so you can one putt for par.  Most par fours are all over 300 yards.  Nine at Woodley was playing 372 for the 9-11 year old boys.

95%+ of all 9 year olds will not be on in 2 on a 372 yard Par 4.

Was Proud of my kid yesterday.  Driver 3 iron to a 400 yard Par 4 playing upwind yesterday.

Yep and our coach loves it that way.  Kids gotta learn to rip it if they want a chance and having to chip or pitch on develops those skills even further.

Still cracks me up that your kid plays a 3 iron.

He has an unorthodox swing.  Basically a combo of a John Rahm and JB Holmes with a really closed stance.  He has had his FG Tour irons less than a year and has already worn a quarter dot in the middle of most of his club faces.  His coach told him the other day that there are very few kids his age that can hit a 3i.  He was hitting on the range and his coach had a smile on his face while shaking his head.  I ordered it a couple of months after the rest of the set.  He hated swinging the hybrid because of the hook miss and zero spin.  First day I brought it home he took the hybrid out of the bag.  He is a really good iron player and honestly think he could play with a 2x4.  He knows he is going to get a new set of irons within a year and is licking his chops at getting to demo Blades.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 07:46 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Play SCPGA Players Tour... Driver, 3W and then wedge so you can one putt for par.  Most par fours are all over 300 yards.  Nine at Woodley was playing 372 for the 9-11 year old boys.

95%+ of all 9 year olds will not be on in 2 on a 372 yard Par 4.

Was Proud of my kid yesterday.  Driver 3 iron to a 400 yard Par 4 playing upwind yesterday.

Yep and our coach loves it that way.  Kids gotta learn to rip it if they want a chance and having to chip or pitch on develops those skills even further.

Still cracks me up that your kid plays a 3 iron.

He has an unorthodox swing.  Basically a combo of a John Rahm and JB Holmes with a really closed stance.  He has had his FG Tour irons less than a year and has already worn a quarter dot in the middle of most of his club faces.  His coach told him the other day that there are very few kids his age that can hit a 3i.  He was hitting on the range and his coach had a smile on his face while shaking his head.  I ordered it a couple of months after the rest of the set.  He hated swinging the hybrid because of the hook miss and zero spin.  First day I brought it home he took the hybrid out of the bag.  He is a really good iron player and honestly think he could play with a 2x4.  He knows he is going to get a new set of irons within a year and is licking his chops at getting to demo Blades.

Love the JB Holmes swing.  Very much reminds me of Angel 'El Pato' Cabrera with his flying right elbow and he has a green jacket.

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 06:38 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

View PostCTgolf, on 27 September 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Makes sense, although then it begs the question: what are "average" driver distances (for each age group)?

I can only speak for boys 7's.  My son hits driver anywhere from 140 - 160 depending on roll out.  I feel like he is average in terms of length.

Did you notice when at Pinehurst that he was a few yards shorter than in Cali? Kind of lucky because it wasn't that humid up there this time of year.

For sure.  I would say he had to club up at least one on approach shots.  The humidity as well as the elevation changes tee to green made a huge difference.

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 06:41 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 27 September 2017 - 01:09 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Play SCPGA Players Tour... Driver, 3W and then wedge so you can one putt for par.  Most par fours are all over 300 yards.  Nine at Woodley was playing 372 for the 9-11 year old boys.

95%+ of all 9 year olds will not be on in 2 on a 372 yard Par 4.

Was Proud of my kid yesterday.  Driver 3 iron to a 400 yard Par 4 playing upwind yesterday.

Yep and our coach loves it that way.  Kids gotta learn to rip it if they want a chance and having to chip or pitch on develops those skills even further.

Still cracks me up that your kid plays a 3 iron.

He has an unorthodox swing.  Basically a combo of a John Rahm and JB Holmes with a really closed stance.  He has had his FG Tour irons less than a year and has already worn a quarter dot in the middle of most of his club faces.  His coach told him the other day that there are very few kids his age that can hit a 3i.  He was hitting on the range and his coach had a smile on his face while shaking his head.  I ordered it a couple of months after the rest of the set.  He hated swinging the hybrid because of the hook miss and zero spin.  First day I brought it home he took the hybrid out of the bag.  He is a really good iron player and honestly think he could play with a 2x4.  He knows he is going to get a new set of irons within a year and is licking his chops at getting to demo Blades.

Not to totally derail this thread, but is there a company out there that makes an adult iron (player's CB) that is light enough for a kid to use?  I'm seriously contemplating going with adult heads with VT max shafts, but a bit afraid the head will be too heavy.  My son wants P790's like right now.


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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:34 AM

View Postkekoa, on 28 September 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 27 September 2017 - 03:14 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 01:05 PM, said:

View PostCTgolf, on 27 September 2017 - 01:02 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 27 September 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

There you have it.  US Kids tees are set about 300-400 yards less than where they should be.  I feel like kids of average length should NOT have flip wedges into par 4's.

Makes sense, although then it begs the question: what are "average" driver distances (for each age group)?

I can only speak for boys 7's.  My son hits driver anywhere from 140 - 160 depending on roll out.  I feel like he is average in terms of length.

Did you notice when at Pinehurst that he was a few yards shorter than in Cali? Kind of lucky because it wasn't that humid up there this time of year.

For sure.  I would say he had to club up at least one on approach shots.  The humidity as well as the elevation changes tee to green made a huge difference.

That makes a huge difference for play.  Mine was having to club down a half of a club.  Never did get distances correct.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 09:36 AM

I would make a call to Ping.  Putting him in an adult head with the VT Max shaft is going to be really heavy.  Would definitely slow his swing speed down.  I really don't see him getting any benefit out of it.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 10:02 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 29 September 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

I would make a call to Ping.  Putting him in an adult head with the VT Max shaft is going to be really heavy.  Would definitely slow his swing speed down.  I really don't see him getting any benefit out of it.

To add:

  • 716 CB head weights:
    4- 244g
    5- 252g
    6- 258g
    7- 262g
    8- 269g
    9- 278g
    PW- 282

  • US Kids TS 51":
    4- NA
    5- 228g
    6- 234g
    7- 240g
    8- 246g
    9- 252g
    PW- 258g
You're essentially adding a little more than 20g of weight to each club head which is equivalent to 40 strips of 1" long lead tape.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 11:00 AM

View Postleezer99, on 29 September 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 29 September 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

I would make a call to Ping.  Putting him in an adult head with the VT Max shaft is going to be really heavy.  Would definitely slow his swing speed down.  I really don't see him getting any benefit out of it.

To add:
  • 716 CB head weights:
    4- 244g
    5- 252g
    6- 258g
    7- 262g
    8- 269g
    9- 278g
    PW- 282
  • US Kids TS 51":
    4- NA
    5- 228g
    6- 234g
    7- 240g
    8- 246g
    9- 252g
    PW- 258g
You're essentially adding a little more than 20g of weight to each club head which is equivalent to 40 strips of 1" long lead tape.

That doesn't even take into consideration the swing weight of the club.  You put a graphite shaft into a club head that heavy and it makes the swing weight even heavier.  Probably put it at a D.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 11:07 AM

Well I think that chart is still long, if a course is not running.  

I was in a LD contest on Monday.  On 3 balls, carry yardages for my balls were 277, 279 and 271.  +-1 yard.  It was very soft and I was hitting high draws

I'm usually 280-295 with rollout and 7,400 would be a LONG DAY

FWIW, the 1st and second place guys were 333 (6'3 and 290 beast) and 323 (D2 guy with a handful of wins and crazy hip speed)

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 11:36 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 29 September 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

I would make a call to Ping.  Putting him in an adult head with the VT Max shaft is going to be really heavy.  Would definitely slow his swing speed down.  I really don't see him getting any benefit out of it.

Ping at least has the abailty to change the weight they use to drop the swing weight, but as yall have stated I see no real advantage for using an adult club at this age.

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 11:42 AM

View Postcardoustie, on 29 September 2017 - 11:07 AM, said:

Well I think that chart is still long, if a course is not running.  

I was in a LD contest on Monday.  On 3 balls, carry yardages for my balls were 277, 279 and 271.  +-1 yard.  It was very soft and I was hitting high draws

I'm usually 280-295 with rollout and 7,400 would be a LONG DAY

FWIW, the 1st and second place guys were 333 (6'3 and 290 beast) and 323 (D2 guy with a handful of wins and crazy hip speed)

How does hitting the ball 280-295 equate to being able to play 7,400 yards?  The chart shows 300+.  Your recommended would be 6,700-6,900 yards.

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