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#1 AC168

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:53 PM

I feel like Titleist flipped the naming of their golf balls for 2017.  Is the Pro V1 or Pro V1x the higher spin ball?  In general?  Off driver?  Off irons?  Off wedges?

I'm thinking the 1x, but maybe it depends on other things ...

Thanks for any feedback!


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:06 AM

I believe the x has slightly more spin on the wedges and slightly less spin off the driver. From tests I've seen it's about 200 rpm for both. The v has more spin off the irons.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:01 PM

There seems to be a common misconception that the v1 was higher spinning in the short game. The v1x has always been their higher spinning ball around the greens and I believe that continues with the 2017 version.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:35 AM

Titleist indicates the V1x has more spin and higher launch then the V in the 2017 model.   I would assume but not sure the reason the standard V1 is lower launch is because the lower spin rate??  I have been playing the 17' V1 right now and it is pretty nice though  =)

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:42 AM

View PostChile Dip Master, on 15 September 2017 - 09:35 AM, said:

Titleist indicates the V1x has more spin and higher launch then the V in the 2017 model.   I would assume but not sure the reason the standard V1 is lower launch is because the lower spin rate??  I have been playing the 17' V1 right now and it is pretty nice though  =)

Launch angle is one thing. Trajectory is another.

I believe Titleist claim the ProV1x flies higher than the ProV1. In previous marketing materials (not sure about this year) they explained that the ProV1x has a different dimple pattern designed to increase trajectory especially with the driver.

The ProV1 is designed to fly lower (Titleist sometimes say "flatter") than the ProV1x. Mostly by dimple design.

The is a very slight inverse relationship between initial launch angle and spin. For a given impact geometry a ball that spins more must necessarily depart the clubface at a very slightly lower angle. But that effect is negligible once the ball is flying through the air.

During its flight after it has actually left the club the combination of dimple design and spin produces whatever trajectory the designer wishes. It is entirely possible to have two high-spin balls that differ in height of flight by using different dimples. Or two low-spin balls.

In 2017 Titleist say the ProV1x is still designed for higher flight but that the previous spin differences have been minimized. Unlike in previous iterations of the two balls. the 2017 ProV1 and ProV1x are very similar in spin. The main differences are now feel and height of flight.

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:51 AM

My impression was that they are both "high spin" and that the main difference intended was flight (x with higher flight), and also a bit on feel, with the x being a bit more firm. Pretty much mimicking the new TP5/x line up now. I mean are we really consistent enough to tell a few hundred RPM off any club?? I don't think so. Both tour caliber balls that are meant to spin with high RPM on the short scoring shots.
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 09:56 AM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 15 September 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

My impression was that they are both "high spin" and that the main difference intended was flight (x with higher flight), and also a bit on feel, with the x being a bit more firm. Pretty much mimicking the new TP5/x line up now. I mean are we really consistent enough to tell a few hundred RPM off any club?? I don't think so. Both tour caliber balls that are meant to spin with high RPM on the short scoring shots.

Back in 2013 when I played a lot with ProV1x I also tried the ProV1. Darned if I could tell any spin difference but the driver trajectory thing was immediately obvious. Feel isn't something I respond to much either way.

But whether your or I could tell it or not, apparently Titleist had LOTS of feedback complaining about the supposed spin differences. Because they are really hammering on the fact that the spin is now similar between 2017 ProV1 and ProV1x as a huge selling point.

Then again, I guess they've got to come up with something to tout as a big deal every two years...
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Posted 15 September 2017 - 10:09 AM

Meh when I'm on course I don't concern myself with spin, nor can I really tell if my V1x is spinning more or less than a regular v. Mainly I can tell difference in sound/feel and trajectory. People are probably putting them on launch monitors to make these claims I'd guess?
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Posted 16 September 2017 - 03:34 PM

The X is defiantly higher launching higher spinning with the longer clubs. Just try hitting them side by side in to the wind. The V does seem to spin a bit more with pitching and bunker shots. Adam Scott speaks about the difference in the Team Titleist bit. Their marketing has been confusing this year, it's strange because the difference between the 2 balls has never been greater.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 04:10 PM

From my experience of seeing what other people play the general rule for titleist balls is that the x is for better golfers with higher swing speeds, and the reg is for older guys with less speed but who are still serious about their equipment. Almost all young guns at my club play the x or the Srixon xv 2017.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 08:40 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 15 September 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 15 September 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

My impression was that they are both "high spin" and that the main difference intended was flight (x with higher flight), and also a bit on feel, with the x being a bit more firm. Pretty much mimicking the new TP5/x line up now. I mean are we really consistent enough to tell a few hundred RPM off any club?? I don't think so. Both tour caliber balls that are meant to spin with high RPM on the short scoring shots.

Back in 2013 when I played a lot with ProV1x I also tried the ProV1. Darned if I could tell any spin difference but the driver trajectory thing was immediately obvious. Feel isn't something I respond to much either way.

But whether your or I could tell it or not, apparently Titleist had LOTS of feedback complaining about the supposed spin differences. Because they are really hammering on the fact that the spin is now similar between 2017 ProV1 and ProV1x as a huge selling point.

Then again, I guess they've got to come up with something to tout as a big deal every two years...

Just so I understand here, you're saying that you can tell a difference with a driver trajectory between the two balls (higher or lower?), but you can't tell if either one spins any more or less?

This sounds to me like an extreme lack of consistency in your game, because it makes zero sense otherwise.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 08:48 PM

Yes, I can tell if one ball flies 10-20 feet higher off my driver than another. There is literally that much difference between ProV1x vs the ProV1 or other balls I've used.

And no, I can not tell for sure that the ProV1x spins any more or less than a ProV1 or Chrome Soft. I sort of suspect it spins a bit more but can't say.

Almost any urethane ball will stop near its ball mark on a well struck 7-iron, 8-iron, 9-iron or wedge. And none of them will spin back unless it's maybe a hard swing at a SW for some reason. So can I say that an 8-iron stopping six inches from where it lands with one ball is "different spin" than one stopping two feet away? Who knows, that could be due to any number of reasons.

But the height thing is immediately obvious. I hit my driver quite low and when one ball consistently flies higher it stands out. It's a real bonus as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by North Butte, 17 September 2017 - 08:48 PM.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 08:54 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 17 September 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Yes, I can tell if one ball flies 10-20 feet higher off my driver than another. There is literally that much difference between ProV1x vs the ProV1 or other balls I've used.

And no, I can not tell for sure that the ProV1x spins any more or less than a ProV1 or Chrome Soft. I sort of suspect it spins a bit more but can't say.

Almost any urethane ball will stop near its ball mark on a well struck 7-iron, 8-iron, 9-iron or wedge. And none of them will spin back unless it's maybe a hard swing at a SW for some reason. So can I say that an 8-iron stopping six inches from where it lands with one ball is "different spin" than one stopping two feet away? Who knows, that could be due to any number of reasons.

But the height thing is immediately obvious. I hit my driver quite low and when one ball consistently flies higher it stands out. It's a real bonus as far as I'm concerned.

Forgive me for being skeptical, but have you considered that it's more of a mental thing than anything else? With all due respect, if you're trying to break 100 on the course (as evidenced by your 17 handicap), it's extremely difficult to believe that you have the consistency required in your swing to even be able to accurately make these observations.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:16 PM

View PostPepe8714, on 17 September 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 17 September 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Yes, I can tell if one ball flies 10-20 feet higher off my driver than another. There is literally that much difference between ProV1x vs the ProV1 or other balls I've used.

And no, I can not tell for sure that the ProV1x spins any more or less than a ProV1 or Chrome Soft. I sort of suspect it spins a bit more but can't say.

Almost any urethane ball will stop near its ball mark on a well struck 7-iron, 8-iron, 9-iron or wedge. And none of them will spin back unless it's maybe a hard swing at a SW for some reason. So can I say that an 8-iron stopping six inches from where it lands with one ball is "different spin" than one stopping two feet away? Who knows, that could be due to any number of reasons.

But the height thing is immediately obvious. I hit my driver quite low and when one ball consistently flies higher it stands out. It's a real bonus as far as I'm concerned.

Forgive me for being skeptical, but have you considered that it's more of a mental thing than anything else? With all due respect, if you're trying to break 100 on the course (as evidenced by your 17 handicap), it's extremely difficult to believe that you have the consistency required in your swing to even be able to accurately make these observations.

For my game the X clearly flies higher off the driver. No way to tell difference in driver spin as both balls are fairly close.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 05:18 AM

View PostPepe8714, on 17 September 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 17 September 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

Yes, I can tell if one ball flies 10-20 feet higher off my driver than another. There is literally that much difference between ProV1x vs the ProV1 or other balls I've used.

And no, I can not tell for sure that the ProV1x spins any more or less than a ProV1 or Chrome Soft. I sort of suspect it spins a bit more but can't say.

Almost any urethane ball will stop near its ball mark on a well struck 7-iron, 8-iron, 9-iron or wedge. And none of them will spin back unless it's maybe a hard swing at a SW for some reason. So can I say that an 8-iron stopping six inches from where it lands with one ball is "different spin" than one stopping two feet away? Who knows, that could be due to any number of reasons.

But the height thing is immediately obvious. I hit my driver quite low and when one ball consistently flies higher it stands out. It's a real bonus as far as I'm concerned.

Forgive me for being skeptical, but have you considered that it's more of a mental thing than anything else? With all due respect, if you're trying to break 100 on the course (as evidenced by your 17 handicap), it's extremely difficult to believe that you have the consistency required in your swing to even be able to accurately make these observations.

I forgive you.

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 01:00 PM

I desperately want to use the X for the launch launch with the driver and the red number (it's petty)  I just can't use them. My local pro was telling me about the AP3 being the best bits of the AP1 &2, I asked if if they could do this with the ball. I got the FO you tool look.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:53 PM

I love the 2017 PV1.  It seems to get the distance for me of the older V1x but still has the feel and performance of the reg V1 around the green which I think is better than the X.  I've been buying them as logo balls for a much better price but haven't been able to get my hands on as many V1x.  I would like to try that one out a bit more, too.  I keep trying to find cheaper alternatives, but just keep coming back to these balls, just more of a comfort/trust thing I think.
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:57 PM

I have found that the ProV1x spins more and feels harsher off driver than the ProV1 - but this holds true solely for the 2017 model.

Otherwise, the only difference I can tell is the color of the number.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:06 PM

View PostChomper, on 19 September 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

I have found that the ProV1x spins more and feels harsher off driver than the ProV1 - but this holds true solely for the 2017 model.

Otherwise, the only difference I can tell is the color of the number.
I would agree with this, but my experience with reg ProV is very limited. I don't play either ball but I would play the x if it were cheaper.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:11 PM

I was an X player for years but I couldn't control the new ball. It spun waaay too much and just ballooned in the wind. I love this year's ProV, but it too is no match for a TP5 or a Z-Star.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:16 PM

The '17 V1x spins way lower off the driver. My drives are much straighter with the V1x.
But I really like the feel of the V1 better. Yeah, the x is firmer off the driver and is 'louder' off my driver, but iron play I can't tell the difference.
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:24 PM

Nothing scientific but having played a few rounds with '17 V1x I'd say it spins a lot which is good for me.

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:57 PM

Driver: V slightly more spin, but shallower angle of decent for more roll and similar length to X

Hybrids/Long Irons: Too close to call

Mid Irons: X slightly more spin

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:46 AM

FWIW I've always preferred the X, most recently the 2017 version. I thought there were minor differences In 2013 and 2015 between ProV1 and ProV1x.

Earlier this week I played a 2017 ProV1 for 10 holes, my usual 2017 ProV1x on the other 8 and also hit second tee shots a couple times for side by side driver comparison. I also did a little extra chipping with the ProV1.

So OK not a very thorough test admittedly. But darned if I could tell any difference at all between them this generation.  Even the driver trajectory, which in the past was easily recognizable as higher with the ProV1x, looked alike.  Mac has all impressions seem to confirm what Titleist has been implying...this time around they are more similar than ever.

I had also played nine holes two different days a month ago with a 2017 ProV1 and had the same impression.

P.S. I should mention that has a short hitting high handicapper I do not see near as much difference between golf balls and some people do. But in the past ProV1x has seemed more different than most, if you know what I mean.

Edited by North Butte, 05 October 2017 - 05:50 AM.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 04:29 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 05 October 2017 - 05:46 AM, said:

FWIW I've always preferred the X, most recently the 2017 version. I thought there were minor differences In 2013 and 2015 between ProV1 and ProV1x.

Earlier this week I played a 2017 ProV1 for 10 holes, my usual 2017 ProV1x on the other 8 and also hit second tee shots a couple times for side by side driver comparison. I also did a little extra chipping with the ProV1.

So OK not a very thorough test admittedly. But darned if I could tell any difference at all between them this generation.  Even the driver trajectory, which in the past was easily recognizable as higher with the ProV1x, looked alike.  Mac has all impressions seem to confirm what Titleist has been implying...this time around they are more similar than ever.

I had also played nine holes two different days a month ago with a 2017 ProV1 and had the same impression.

P.S. I should mention that has a short hitting high handicapper I do not see near as much difference between golf balls and some people do. But in the past ProV1x has seemed more different than most, if you know what I mean.
I think your last paragraph is pertinent. For tour players or ams with high swing speeds there may be noticeable differences between regular v and x, but for the rest of us >110 mph mortals we don't compress the ball enough to notice any real differences.


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