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#1 fifteenclubs

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:03 PM

So received the new loft and lie machine and tonight I changed both loft and lie on a forged Nike Vapor Pro Combo 6i and a cast Nike Vapor Speed 6i. I was shocked how easy it was to adjust the forged club. Even the cast one wasn't too bad but much harder than the forged obviously. My question is this: how often can you adjust a forged club back and forth before "fatiguing" (for lack of a better word) the metal? And same for the cast clubs? Also, is there any guidelines or reference materials out there relating to this? Not sure if there are any recommendations about how much in any direction you can comfortably bend a club without having to worry about breaking them. I have quite a few demo irons available that I can practice on and learn through trial and error but any help on this topic would be appreciated!


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:26 AM

Go nuts I've bent forged irons 8-10 degrees without a sweat

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:43 AM

If you have not seen this it might be very useful:
https://www.golfwork...els Not Rec.pdf

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:38 AM

With forged, as long as you stay within reasonable tolerances I've never had a failure. It's extreme bending + cast clubs that causes failure.

If you have to bend more than 4 degrees in any direction, then it's time to change length.

Make sure when you bend, do multiple small bends, as opposed to trying to bang out >2 degree changes all at once.

If I bend a club and it needs 2 degrees of change, I'll do try to apply pressure, measure, apply pressure, measure, etc. Patience and multiple small adjustments have never failed me.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:17 AM

Finding a bag (or 3) of nothing but older, single irons will be priceless for you, as you learn the amounts of pressure to use, and the maximums you can achieve.

And to address your question about "fatigue".....the older the material, the more brittle it tends to become.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:40 PM

View Postaugustgolf, on 13 September 2017 - 09:17 AM, said:

Finding a bag (or 3) of nothing but older, single irons will be priceless for you, as you learn the amounts of pressure to use, and the maximums you can achieve.

And to address your question about "fatigue".....the older the material, the more brittle it tends to become.

The older and the more it is bent back and forth, which is known as work hardening.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:45 PM

Watch out for damaging the chrome plating between the hosel and the head..  Bending more than a couple of degrees might crack the chrome finishing.  Had it happened o several wedges.  No actual damage to the head but a hairline crack was formed from bending.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:33 AM

I too am interested in bending my own clubs but am struggling with finding the right machine. Can someone give a recommendation? The only must have is digital. I want that little digital reader on there that measures to a tenth of a degree like they use at Club Champion. What should I buy? Thanks

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:23 AM

View Postmarkjinc, on 14 September 2017 - 05:33 AM, said:

I too am interested in bending my own clubs but am struggling with finding the right machine. Can someone give a recommendation? The only must have is digital. I want that little digital reader on there that measures to a tenth of a degree like they use at Club Champion. What should I buy? Thanks
They usually don't come cheap. An alternative is to get yourself a magnetized digital angle finder.
http://www.globalind...AiABEgKC-PD_BwE

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:34 AM

View PostCurious, on 14 September 2017 - 06:23 AM, said:

View Postmarkjinc, on 14 September 2017 - 05:33 AM, said:

I too am interested in bending my own clubs but am struggling with finding the right machine. Can someone give a recommendation? The only must have is digital. I want that little digital reader on there that measures to a tenth of a degree like they use at Club Champion. What should I buy? Thanks
They usually don't come cheap. An alternative is to get yourself a magnetized digital angle finder.
http://www.globalind...AiABEgKC-PD_BwE
I'm aware of their prices and I want the real deal. I'm not interested in hacking this thing together. What's the best bang for the buck so to speak?


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:49 AM

If it were me I would go with Mitchell (.25 increments) I heard through the grapevines that on some machines the replacement parts are hard to come by

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:57 AM

According to Mitchell Club Champion uses their bending machine:

https://www.mitchell...on/#prettyPhoto

Says Sherburne, “Mitchell TourGauge Digital loft and lie helps us stand out. It gives us the confidence that we have perfectly calibrated machines allowing us to hit the tightest tolerances. Our customers expect perfectly built clubs and Mitchell allows us to build to the tightest tolerances.”  

    


Edited by Curious, 14 September 2017 - 06:58 AM.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:29 AM

Regardless of how many digits the display shows, loft and lie machines are not the proper tool if someone is trying to measure more accurately than +/- .5 degree.  You need a spec gauge for that.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:36 AM

I wouldn't worry about going digital unless I was running a high-volume shop.  I put it in the same category as the SCUBA machine they designed for Cleveland, neat little bells and whistles, but just not necessary or practical in many cases...and really not worth the cost.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:52 AM

View PostNessism, on 14 September 2017 - 07:29 AM, said:

Regardless of how many digits the display shows, loft and lie machines are not the proper tool if someone is trying to measure more accurately than +/- .5 degree.  You need a spec gauge for that.

The  again it's debatable. Depends on the gauge and end user :swoon: And Mitchell says otherwise








No Spec Gauge Required
All Mitchell Machines double as a specification gauge that accurately measures with their patented measuring gauges. No spec gauges are required to measure angles. Competitor’s machines do not compare to the secure clamping and bending capability of Mitchell Machine. Steelclub® and TourGauge® Technology sets the “Industry Standard” worldwide.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:13 AM

View PostCurious, on 14 September 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

According to Mitchell Club Champion uses their bending machine:

https://www.mitchell...on/#prettyPhoto

Says Sherburne, “Mitchell TourGauge Digital loft and lie helps us stand out. It gives us the confidence that we have perfectly calibrated machines allowing us to hit the tightest tolerances. Our customers expect perfectly built clubs and Mitchell allows us to build to the tightest tolerances.”  

    

Yes! This one. How do I/Where do I buy it?

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:13 AM

View Postmarkjinc, on 14 September 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

View PostCurious, on 14 September 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

According to Mitchell Club Champion uses their bending machine:

https://www.mitchell...on/#prettyPhoto

Says Sherburne, "Mitchell TourGauge Digital loft and lie helps us stand out. It gives us the confidence that we have perfectly calibrated machines allowing us to hit the tightest tolerances. Our customers expect perfectly built clubs and Mitchell allows us to build to the tightest tolerances."  

Yes! This one. How do I/Where do I buy it?

The link to Mitchell's site is right there.  You might want to try going to the site and placing an order.

After you get the machine invite a friend or two over and have a club measuring party.  Have each person check a couple different clubs without any presets on the machine.  I'll put down money right now that each per will differ from one another by more than 1/2 degree.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:03 AM

Having had a Mitchell Steelclub+ for years, the accuracy of the measurement (even if the machine is perfectly calibrated) depends on how well the club is placed in the machine.
To properly register the iron, you line the a scoreline/groove up with a horizontal reference. When comparing two lines a couple of inches long to ensure that they are perfectly parallel, +/- a half a degree is about as good as anyone could expect to do.

I am more anal than most when it comes to specs, and if my irons are less than a degree off for loft or lie, I am satisfied. Stressing over 10th's or quarters of a degree is futile.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:08 AM

View PostCurious, on 14 September 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

View PostNessism, on 14 September 2017 - 07:29 AM, said:

Regardless of how many digits the display shows, loft and lie machines are not the proper tool if someone is trying to measure more accurately than +/- .5 degree.  You need a spec gauge for that.

The  again it's debatable. Depends on the gauge and end user :swoon: And Mitchell says otherwise








No Spec Gauge Required
All Mitchell Machines double as a specification gauge that accurately measures with their patented measuring gauges. No spec gauges are required to measure angles. Competitor’s machines do not compare to the secure clamping and bending capability of Mitchell Machine. Steelclub® and TourGauge® Technology sets the “Industry Standard” worldwide.


Mitchell is selling machines. Ask them what they guarantee as far as accuracy since they don't define it. Tom Wishon echoes Nessim's sentiments that for absolute accuracy and separate spec gauge should be used.

Edited by RighttoLeft, 14 September 2017 - 10:10 AM.

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Callaway GBB 3 and 5 woods with Diamana S+ 70 stiff
Callaway XR Pro 4-GW with KBS Tour V stiff
Callaway MD2 Tour Grind (Tour Chrome) 56° and 60°
Odyssey 2-Ball SRT w/ sight line
Titleist Pro V1X

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:14 AM

...with that being said, I never felt the need to recheck the specs after I bent them in the Steelclub+. I am confident that they were within a margin of error of less than 0.75°.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:31 AM

Wishon also stated that anything within a degree was good enough in one of his former shoptalk articles articles. It's about consistency on how you set up the club imho.


https://groups.yahoo...ns/topics/75059


Edited by Curious, 14 September 2017 - 12:03 PM.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:18 PM

Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Have had the chance to bend a number of different style clubs so far and am very happy with the results and especially the clamping ability I get with the True Blue. Talked to a number of people about the Mitchell digital units, one of which is a national fitter of the year and has spent time on one of the big OEM tour vans, and they all said the digital is NOT the way they'd go. Calibration issues seemed to be the concern and also that if the electronics failed you basically have to replace the entire unit.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:20 PM

Waffled back and forth between the Mitchell and True Blue but went with TB just because it offered more versatility by allowing me to do clubs other than irons (specifically putters). Bought a good spec gauge from GolfMechanix too just because I like having that extra assurance but I realize that could be overkill.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:27 PM

Not overkill at alll.  If anything the true blue is overkill you could have gotten a cheaper loft lie machine from golfmechanix that does putters too. I'd spend money on a green machine over a loft lie any day. Get specs down to a 10th of a degree. Can't beat that.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 08:45 PM

I have attached a Golf Mechanix manual for one of their bending machines.  There's a lot of great general advice and recommendations for club bending in these instructions.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 05:24 PM

View PostCurious, on 13 September 2017 - 06:43 AM, said:

If you have not seen this it might be very useful:
https://www.golfwork...els Not Rec.pdf

Wow. . . . . I had not seen this before and boy did it hit me in the face like a 2 x 4 !

9 freaking pages of OEM irons that cannot be bent even by Golf Works who do know a little about this.  And uhhh, the last time I checked, a whole lot of golfers need lies other than standard.   And uhhh, lie angle is pretty much one of the most important fitting parameters since it has an absolute direct impact on shot accuracy.  Sorry to offend all of the OEM lovers but to make irons from alloys that are virtually unbendable is pathetic because it shows exactly how little they really care about the golfers in the end.  Every one of these "can't bend" models that is cast from a stainless alloy could have been cast from 431 stainless which would have opened the door to a much wider range of bending to better fit golfers.  But nooooo, they won't do that because a) they do not want to have to deal with customer service issues from changing lies and lofts from hammering shots off mats, and b) they really could care less about offering REAL fitting options to golfers.  Make that sale off the rack and go to the next one until you sell 250,000 sets in a year and you've made your money and kept your stock price intact.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 06:19 PM

View Postfifteenclubs, on 14 September 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

Waffled back and forth between the Mitchell and True Blue but went with TB just because it offered more versatility by allowing me to do clubs other than irons (specifically putters). Bought a good spec gauge from GolfMechanix too just because I like having that extra assurance but I realize that could be overkill.

It's not overkill.  You need that tool to do a complete job with no guessing

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