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#1 ericp812

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:37 PM

looking for some help
play PX 6.0 flighted in my irons.
looking to put 8i shafts in wedges to create "spinners"

what shafts should i use to do this


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Posted 12 September 2017 - 03:40 PM

I used one full flex up PX 7.0

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:00 PM

AKA Tiger flighted

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:21 PM

I did this, moved one flex up and it made me a believer.. I won't be changing out anytime soon
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:17 PM

I've always debated doing this. I play PX 6.5's now so I'm not sure how the 7.0 would work. I'm in the market for some new wedges so I may give it a go with the 7.0's.

I'm wondering if maybe going with the 9 iron shaft would be better instead of the 8 since it would only be a 0.5 step higher instead of the full 1.0?

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:39 PM

I don't think the 9 iron shaft will work, from what I have read in some of Howard's posts. I think you need to stick with the 8 iron shafts. I believe the 9 iron and wedge shafts were too similiar to make much of a difference
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:11 PM

I stay in the same flex but move to an 8-iron shaft. Not a true "Tiger flex," I just prefer the softer feel.

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:14 PM

8 iron equals double soft step- down 2/3 shaft flex
9 iron shaft equals single soft step- down 1/3 shaft flex

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 10:19 PM

do you guys recommend i stick with flighted shafts or will normal PX be ok?

6.5 or 7.0?

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:11 AM

 TheLetterSee, on 12 September 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

I've always debated doing this. I play PX 6.5's now so I'm not sure how the 7.0 would work. I'm in the market for some new wedges so I may give it a go with the 7.0's.

I'm wondering if maybe going with the 9 iron shaft would be better instead of the 8 since it would only be a 0.5 step higher instead of the full 1.0?

A 9 iron and wedge use the same shaft so you have to use an 8 iron shaft if you want it to work.  Otherwise you would just have stiffer wedges.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:57 AM

Why in earth would you go UP a flex rating and then use an 8 iron shaft??  

Makes no sense at all.  Your wedges would end up STIFFER than just using the same flex shaft in a wedge length.

If you want slightly more spin and a slightly higher flight you go with an 8 iron shaft in the same type of shaft and flex.

Many good players go DOWN an entire flex rating in the wedges.  Look at how many guys use S400's in their wedges and X100's in irons.


Edit. ....and yes, many irons don't even have a "wedge" shaft.  They only go down to a 9 that is to be used as a wedge as well.

Edited by Jagpilotohio, 13 September 2017 - 09:59 AM.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:21 AM

 Jagpilotohio, on 13 September 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Why in earth would you go UP a flex rating and then use an 8 iron shaft??  

Makes no sense at all.  Your wedges would end up STIFFER than just using the same flex shaft in a wedge length.

If you want slightly more spin and a slightly higher flight you go with an 8 iron shaft in the same type of shaft and flex.

Many good players go DOWN an entire flex rating in the wedges.  Look at how many guys use S400's in their wedges and X100's in irons.


Edit. ....and yes, many irons don't even have a "wedge" shaft.  They only go down to a 9 that is to be used as a wedge as well.

Having shafts that are touch stiffer would make it easier to flight your wedges down which is a goal of a great deal of better wedge players. Depending on the exact shaft this will also give your wedges a little more swing weight.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:08 AM

 rebby, on 13 September 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

 Jagpilotohio, on 13 September 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Why in earth would you go UP a flex rating and then use an 8 iron shaft??  

Makes no sense at all.  Your wedges would end up STIFFER than just using the same flex shaft in a wedge length.

If you want slightly more spin and a slightly higher flight you go with an 8 iron shaft in the same type of shaft and flex.

Many good players go DOWN an entire flex rating in the wedges.  Look at how many guys use S400's in their wedges and X100's in irons.


Edit. ....and yes, many irons don't even have a "wedge" shaft.  They only go down to a 9 that is to be used as a wedge as well.

Having shafts that are touch stiffer would make it easier to flight your wedges down which is a goal of a great deal of better wedge players. Depending on the exact shaft this will also give your wedges a little more swing weight.

I challenge you to find a tour player or serious college golfer that uses a stiffer shaft in their wedges than the rest of their irons. I you find one or two it will definitely be an anomaly.  Good players rarely swing thier wedges full bore and want them to have a bit of softeness to them for partial shots and around the green.  No good player wants rebar in their wedges.

Secondly, No one tries to adjust wedge swingweight by the weight of their shafts.  Your swingweight is NOT going to be affected by more than a point by using a "heavy" wedge shaft.  One point on a wedge is almost negligible.  Even for that to happen it would need to be at least 12 or more grams heavier to see any real effect.  If your goal is a heavier swingweight you use lead tape or tip weights, not slightly heavier shafts....ever. If you want Higher Overall STATIC weight, that's a different story.

You go through a few dozen WITB profiles and see what you find. It is INCREDIBLY rare that any of them will have stiffer wedge shafts than thier irons. No knowledgeable  fitter would ever recommend this approach.

That said, obviously do whatever makes you happy. Experiment.  Try new things.  That's what this site is about.  But playing stiffer wedge shafts than your irons is an extremely unusual thing to do.

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Some examples just off the top of my head
Rory 7.0 in irons 6.5 in wedges
Jordan 6.5 in irons 6.0 in wedges
Justin x100 irons s400 in wedges
Day X7 in irons s400 in wedges.
Tiger x100 irons, 8 iron x100 in wedges.

Edited by Jagpilotohio, 13 September 2017 - 11:35 AM.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:27 PM

 kyle316, on 13 September 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

A 9 iron and wedge use the same shaft so you have to use an 8 iron shaft if you want it to work.  Otherwise you would just have stiffer wedges.

Yeah I don't know how I skipped over the fact that 9 iron and wedge shafts are the same. I'll probably do a 7.0 8 iron in the wedges.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:47 PM

Little bit excited there about spinner shafts......

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:04 PM

 TheLetterSee, on 13 September 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

 kyle316, on 13 September 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

A 9 iron and wedge use the same shaft so you have to use an 8 iron shaft if you want it to work.  Otherwise you would just have stiffer wedges.

Yeah I don't know how I skipped over the fact that 9 iron and wedge shafts are the same. I'll probably do a 7.0 8 iron in the wedges.

I'd go with the 6.5.  Otherwise you'll run a strong risk that your wedges will feel and play stiffer than your irons.

If you really want to notice a softer feel in your wedges, skip the PX all together and go Dynamic Gold

Edited by Cwebb, 13 September 2017 - 01:06 PM.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:26 PM

Since the 9 iron and wedge shaft are the same thing in most sets, putting the 8 iron shaft in is just a fancy way of saying "soft step" back before that term was common knowledge.  Now that the term soft step is used all the time, there's really no reason to think anything special is going on here - you're just soft stepping your wedge shaft.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:47 PM

I play S400 in my irons and wedges except my 58 that has X200 ssx2.  Feels heavier (static weight and sw) and I find that the heavier wedge head makes it flex easier but it also makes it flight down more than the standard S400.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:57 PM

I play X100 in my irons and typically have Ctaper 130X 8i shafts in my wedges (53/59). I'm between wedges now with some new Pings and I need to move those ctapers to the pings.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:12 PM

 jokerusn, on 13 September 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

I play S400 in my irons and wedges except my 58 that has X200 ssx2.  Feels heavier (static weight and sw) and I find that the heavier wedge head makes it flex easier but it also makes it flight down more than the standard S400.

X200 is 2 grams LIGHTER  than an S400..  But that's actually  irrelevant. No human can discern a 2 gram difference in the weight of a shaft anyway.

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Edited by Jagpilotohio, 13 September 2017 - 02:13 PM.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:54 PM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 13 September 2017 - 02:12 PM, said:

View Postjokerusn, on 13 September 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

I play S400 in my irons and wedges except my 58 that has X200 ssx2.  Feels heavier (static weight and sw) and I find that the heavier wedge head makes it flex easier but it also makes it flight down more than the standard S400.

X200 is 2 grams LIGHTER  than an S400..  But that's actually  irrelevant. No human can discern a 2 gram difference in the weight of a shaft anyway.

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That's not an accurate chart.  According to True Temper's website, Tour Issue S400 (that's in my wedges and irons) is 132g, X100 is 130g and X200 is 132g (all raw length).  How that translates to the weight of an X200 8i shaft cut to 36" wedge length vs a S400 wedge shaft cut to the same length is a different question and I don't know the answer.  All I know is that my 58 wedge feels heavier than all my other wedges.  It also feels heavier than the same wedge with a Modus3 wedge 125 shaft (also 132g raw).
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 03:36 PM

View PostCallawayLefty, on 13 September 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Since the 9 iron and wedge shaft are the same thing in most sets, putting the 8 iron shaft in is just a fancy way of saying "soft step" back before that term was common knowledge.  Now that the term soft step is used all the time, there's really no reason to think anything special is going on here - you're just soft stepping your wedge shaft.

The description of "soft stepping" or "hard stepping" has been around for a really long time.  Way before the "spinner wedge shaft" and other wedge specific ideas came around.

Royal Precision was the first to design the Rifle "spinner wedge shaft".  They were the ones that came up with the idea of using a stiffer flex and then soft stepping it for a wedge.  Although when they did it, they still labeled them with the same flex designation that they were intended to match....4.5, 5.5, 6.5 etc

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:06 PM

DG makes a spinner wedge shaft that doesn't seem to get a lot of love but I use it and think its amazing.  Just food for thought if the mechanics of tiger stepping gets cumbersome to deal with

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:29 PM

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View PostTheLetterSee, on 12 September 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

I've always debated doing this. I play PX 6.5's now so I'm not sure how the 7.0 would work. I'm in the market for some new wedges so I may give it a go with the 7.0's.

I'm wondering if maybe going with the 9 iron shaft would be better instead of the 8 since it would only be a 0.5 step higher instead of the full 1.0?

A 9 iron and wedge use the same shaft so you have to use an 8 iron shaft if you want it to work.  Otherwise you would just have stiffer wedges.

Only in DG not in Rifle/PX though??
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:13 PM

View Posthardcaliber, on 13 September 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

DG makes a spinner wedge shaft that doesn't seem to get a lot of love but I use it and think its amazing.  Just food for thought if the mechanics of tiger stepping gets cumbersome to deal with

Totally correct on that DG spinner wedge shaft.  No idea why more people don't use it other than it looks a little weird. Spins like crazy with low launch. And it's cheap!


I can't use it because of the opposite problem.  I spin almost everything I try TOO much.  I need low spin wedge shafts. As much as I love the feel of my recoil Prototype 125's they still spin too much.  Almost ready to pull them.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:01 PM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 13 September 2017 - 11:08 AM, said:

View Postrebby, on 13 September 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

View PostJagpilotohio, on 13 September 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Why in earth would you go UP a flex rating and then use an 8 iron shaft??  

Makes no sense at all.  Your wedges would end up STIFFER than just using the same flex shaft in a wedge length.

If you want slightly more spin and a slightly higher flight you go with an 8 iron shaft in the same type of shaft and flex.

Many good players go DOWN an entire flex rating in the wedges.  Look at how many guys use S400's in their wedges and X100's in irons.


Edit. ....and yes, many irons don't even have a "wedge" shaft.  They only go down to a 9 that is to be used as a wedge as well.

Having shafts that are touch stiffer would make it easier to flight your wedges down which is a goal of a great deal of better wedge players. Depending on the exact shaft this will also give your wedges a little more swing weight.

I challenge you to find a tour player or serious college golfer that uses a stiffer shaft in their wedges than the rest of their irons. I you find one or two it will definitely be an anomaly.  Good players rarely swing thier wedges full bore and want them to have a bit of softeness to them for partial shots and around the green.  No good player wants rebar in their wedges.

Secondly, No one tries to adjust wedge swingweight by the weight of their shafts.  Your swingweight is NOT going to be affected by more than a point by using a "heavy" wedge shaft.  One point on a wedge is almost negligible.  Even for that to happen it would need to be at least 12 or more grams heavier to see any real effect.  If your goal is a heavier swingweight you use lead tape or tip weights, not slightly heavier shafts....ever. If you want Higher Overall STATIC weight, that's a different story.

You go through a few dozen WITB profiles and see what you find. It is INCREDIBLY rare that any of them will have stiffer wedge shafts than thier irons. No knowledgeable  fitter would ever recommend this approach.

That said, obviously do whatever makes you happy. Experiment.  Try new things.  That's what this site is about.  But playing stiffer wedge shafts than your irons is an extremely unusual thing to do.

Edit....
Some examples just off the top of my head
Rory 7.0 in irons 6.5 in wedges
Jordan 6.5 in irons 6.0 in wedges
Justin x100 irons s400 in wedges
Day X7 in irons s400 in wedges.
Tiger x100 irons, 8 iron x100 in wedges.

I don't disagree with anything that you said. In fact, as I stated earlier in the thread, I play the same flex 8-iron shaft in my wedges as I do in my irons. I have for quite some time as well.

I was simply trying to come up with a couple of reasons as to why somebody might want to step up a flex (while soft stepping an 8-iron shaft). It still doesn't make a ton of sense to me but, I suppose, there are some that might prefer to do it this way???

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:16 PM

View Postrebby, on 13 September 2017 - 10:01 PM, said:


I was simply trying to come up with a couple of reasons as to why somebody might want to step up a flex (while soft stepping an 8-iron shaft). It still doesn't make a ton of sense to me but, I suppose, there are some that might prefer to do it this way???

When Royal Precision designed the original Rifle Spinner wedge shafts, they created them this way to create a butt frequency that matched the iron sets, but produced more spin for wedges.  They did this by starting with a stiffer flex "blank" and then tip trimming less of the tip.

In essence, taking a stiffer flex and soft stepping it

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:28 PM

View Postwebber, on 13 September 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

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View PostTheLetterSee, on 12 September 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

I've always debated doing this. I play PX 6.5's now so I'm not sure how the 7.0 would work. I'm in the market for some new wedges so I may give it a go with the 7.0's.

I'm wondering if maybe going with the 9 iron shaft would be better instead of the 8 since it would only be a 0.5 step higher instead of the full 1.0?

A 9 iron and wedge use the same shaft so you have to use an 8 iron shaft if you want it to work.  Otherwise you would just have stiffer wedges.

Only in DG not in Rifle/PX though??

No, DG and PX both use the same shaft for the 9i and wedge

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:19 PM

Bought a couple SM4s a while back of eBay... they came with PX 6.5 shafts.  I have no way of knowing which shafts they actually are I am guessing until I pull the grips but I am not a huge fan of the Vokey shafts so I put these in my 52/58 SM6 and am loving the results.  They do not feel boardy, I get plenty of spin and am able to control flight fairly easily.  I play 5.5 in my irons and could never come close to 6.5 in my irons but these two shafts in the wedges are really working well.  Do not have one single complaint.  I may pull the grips to see if I can find some info on which shafts they may actually be but I am hesitant to mess with any of it.
Titleist 905r 9.5* Proforce V2 76
Titleist 913 Fd 15* Speeder 757 TS
Titleist 913h 19* Diamana S+ 82
Titleist 913h 21* Proforce V2 90
Titleist 695mb 4-P PX 5.5
Titleist Vokey SM6 52-12/58-12
Scotty Cameron GoLo s5

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